201 thoughts on “FWOTW: LetGodBeTrue.com”

  1. “Man’s responsibility to his fellow man is limited to the work of conversion – the educational process by which the elect come to know Jesus Christ and lay hold of the promise of eternal life in Him.”

    Apparently some of the words of our Lord can simply be ignored.

  2. is this web-site saying that America’s Thanksgiving is more God-Ordained than Christmas or Easter? WOW! What if you are not Ameican? There seems to be prescious little a Christian can celebrate this side of Heaven….

  3. Yesterday I bought a black Santa Hat with the words “BAH HUMBUG” printed large in black on the white rim. I wish I could give one to every Fundy

      1. Except when it comes to himself….how about “thou shalt not commit adultery”??? and the stoning that the OT demands that comes afterwards if you want “uncompromising the truth”. Ha! Yeah right. :roll: That guy is no different than any other religious soothsayer. Dude you are brainwashed by an engaging speaker, remember that Hitler was also good at the art of public speaking, persuasion & manipulation.

        It sure is easy for you to namecall everyone here “ignorant” as if only Brother Boffey, Brother Mott and Brother Jarrell are the only people who know truth. Seriously, do yourself a favor & get some information & open your mind so you don’t waste your whole life in that Westboro Baptist off shoot.

        Their teachings have nothing to do with a good God or Jesus. Wise up & get free from them.

        1. My apologies for the misunderstanding. I get upset by those self righteous people & it seemed to be an “amen sister” posting that agreed w/ those religious nutjobs. …kind of hard to tell if you don’t see someone talking with their tone of voice & inflections. they might add a “sarcasm” smilie..of course there could be one, I’ve never taken the time to see all of the emoticons… :wink:

        2. KJV only, hyper-critical about secondary issues and beliefs, belief in one ruling pastor instead of plurality of godly elders/pastors, weak defense on why they aren’t legalistic, judgmental, divisive, no musical instruments, etc. It seems very controlling and authoritarian to me. Yes you could say a cult!!!

  4. LMAO at this idiot’s rant against Christmas….

    Somehow he equates celebrating Christmas with committing adultery and then he goes into the following definition of adultery:

    “1. Adultery is horrible. When a woman gives her body and love to another man for intimate sexual pleasures, she terribly betrays her husband. He is defrauded by having his most personal and prized object treacherously shared with a competitor.”

    Note how he says the wife is a “prized object”…

    The way he’s written this rant, I think he’s probably been cheated on by his most prized object….Hell, if I were married to this loon, I’d step out on him!

    This guy fell off the crazy truck and bumped his head a few times before he came to a stop…. :shock:

    1. Ok I didn’t read the whole site there but did it really say this about a woman giving herself to another man she defrauds her husband since she is his possession or some such falderal? Did it say that it’s the same for the man if he commits adultery? I get so FED UP with the idea that adultery is only about a man cheating another man out of what belongs to him. What about the wife? If my husband cheats on me it’s first ME he has hurt, not the other woman’s husband IF she’s married. Why is it always about the man?

      I just know when I finally find the time to read this whole site I am going to have smoke blowing out of my ears! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

      1. Just wanted to say that I meant HE, Jon Crosby is projecting. Of course these guys can get away w/ messing around. one powerful man did in the cult I left & a “brother” in the cult justified the adultery, “well, you know king David took Bathsheba…” I was like WOW. :shock: that was an eye opener. For all of the “we have the truth” those folks were NO different, even worse because they deceived others to believe they were different, more righteous than those other “lukewarm” christians. They conveyed the image that they are a higher level of “true christians”..what a bunch of BS :evil: …& you are sooo right, to that pastor it’s all about the woman being the possession of the man & the man is defrauded. :evil: I guess to him it’s not even a MORAL issue of adultery against his wife, it’s about fraud ????
        That guy is f*cked up! :evil:

        1. I agree with you. It’s very difficult to read all this rules he enforces on these people who believe his nonsense!!
          I wrote him and ask a couple easy questions but when I asked a question about certain things he’s doing that are not biblical, he wouldn’t write back.
          They can’t even have any musical instruments.

    2. You wrote: “The way he’s written this rant, I think he’s probably been cheated on by his most prized object”

      Maybe it’s the reverse of that……..some “projection” going on possibly???? :idea:

  5. “We sweat the small stuff for good reason, and you should be sweating it with us”

    These idiots would feel right at home with the Fred Phelps clan…

    1. In one of their sermons I listened to part of online (I can’t find it now) the “pastor” said that the Bible says that we can “hate sinful men”. Fred Phelps also peddles that false teaching.

      Jesus Christ told us to love our enemies, so there is no one that we are allowed to hate.

      1. Their hatred of others is justified in their minds, they use the OT that says “God hatest all workers of iniquity” or possibly Roman’s 9.

        Typical “hatred” gospel spewed from their bully pulpits by these types of religious whackos. :sad:

        Never mind the sayings of Jesus about loving your enemies.. :roll:

        1. For men like Crosby and Phelps to compare their own sinful hatred of other people to God’s wrath against sin is blasphemy.

          For these men the commands of Christ go in one ear and out the other. :sad:

  6. How “biblical” is a cassette tape “ministry” or having a “church” website? :?: Oh…right…they just use that “biblical” thingy when it suits their agenda…which is to make everyone who isn’t doing “religion” the way they say so feel real bad & guilty. :evil:

  7. Now that I’ve had adequate time to look at their website, I have the following observation:
    This guy is a whole Christmas fruitcake full of nuts! Too bad someone left the brandy out.

  8. Well, to tell you all the truth, I cannot believe that you would blaspheme this man and his teachings (whatever they be) simply because you don’t believe what he does. This man has dedicated his life to preaching the Truth. Where does the Bible say to celebrate and remember His birth? Where does the Bible say to celebrate His death with ester bunnies, hot-cross-buns, and sunrise services. I do believe that in Eph 5:4,20, Phil 4:6, Col 1:3, 12 and many other places we’re called to give thanks to God for His many mercies. This church is not just going on assumptions, hunches, trying to please the public (if they were they are obviously failing), this church seems to only be doing what they know by the Bible to be right. Let God Be True is obviously on the right track for following what the Bible has to say. (P.S. About the website and ministering online not being in the Bible – I think you forgot to check: 1Cor9:16, 2Cor10:16, 1 Tim4:2, Mark16:15. May Jesus Christ be praised!

    1. wow..blaspheme..a man? You seem to be equating that leader right up there with God.?

      Sure that leader thinks he’s doing religion better than anyone else & his job is to convince others that he’s got *it*, the true church, the true faith. I’m sure he’s very persuasive & good at speaking & talking & telling others what to think, what to believe & how to live.

      “Dedicated his life to preaching the Truth” you say? Nonsense. What about his DOINGS, his works? Anyone can talk, what about the things he DOES?

      Funny how you defend that man & his way of doing “church” & you believe his interpretations & proclivities about “doing only what the bible says…” You are following along what this man, who thinks he’s a “man of God”, is promulgating. You do not see the inconsistencies in that pastor using non biblical methods including the internet, website, on-line sermons, heck, if you all really want to be biblical, why not go the Amish way?

      I see the usual picking & choosing what bible verses defend ones personal persuasion of christianity & how you so willingly defend the leader. No doubt he’s convinced people that he’s been “called” of God? right? Who is to validate that supposed “calling”? What, just because HE says so?
      Thousands of men & women think they’ve been “called” to do God’s work, which oftentimes ends up doing nothing but their own will & work, NOT GOD’s.

      You might want to check out this online book.
      You could copy & paste it into your browser to check it out. Link:

      http://www.gospeltruth.net/heresy/heresy_toc.htm

      It might help you.

      btw..I think it’s funny how there’s a focus on spiritual adultery..yet what about REAL adultery?
      :idea: :shock:

    2. Amen Marie! These people are ignorant. Brother Crosby, Brother Mott, Brother Boffey and others are masters of assemblies!(Ecclesiastes12:11) :wink:

    3. He is not on the right track and is not teaching or preaching the Truth!!! The bible teaches the church to have more than one pastor! Who holds him accountable. He won’t even answer the question when you ask him!! He’s all about power and control!! You’re brainwashed!!

      1. Hey Concerned, you hit the nail on the head. I know these guys and they are power crazed. They are God’s Nazis if you ask me. Yet people follow them because they are persuasive speakers and use manipulation, guilt, fear and shame to cause people to “convert” to their brand of Christianity. It’s very sad.

  9. Amen Marie! These people are ignorant. Brother Crosby, Brother Mott, Brother Boffey and others are masters of assemblies!(Ecclesiastes12:11)

  10. Icome from catholic background, then liberal christianity, now attending a liberal Calvary Chapel Chuck Smith branch.
    To be honest this guy Crosby ,and his sermons about supremacy of God and exalting Jesus, are fenomenal !! so spirit filled. And his Daily Proverbs are superb.
    google origins of Christmass and eastern= is a resultof the hellish marriage between Roman catholics and paganism.
    Only a confused believer or a hater of truth will dislike this Pastor and website letgodbetrue.

      1. Jesus was a great speaker, the best one ever. But the masses and the world hated Him , mocked him and finally killed Him. People can’t stand the truth, can’t stand being told they are sinners , can’t stand listening to a man telling them “you guys follow false religion”.
        Hitler was loved and follow by millions, because he spoke lies, lies his audience loved to hear.
        letgodbe true.com has little following, and the world hate this teachers because he exposes counterfeit Christianity and idolatry. That simple.

        1. It wasn’t the masses who hated Jesus and killed Him. It was the self-righteous religious leaders who did that. Back then they were called pharisees. Today they are called independant fundamentalist baptists.

        2. really? so how you will twist Jesus words “the world hate me”.?? (Gospel of John -at any translation)
          Only the Pharisees ?? And the romans,and the gentile world that hated Jesus and killed the first century Apostles and Christians??
          And by reading this anti-fundy website, the real self-rightheous are all you guys seating in the mocking bench of this blog. Self – rightheousness is all over this blog. Blindness and a hard heart as well.

        3. We can only assume that you are related to someone or on staff at this church. Your hero worship is showing.
          Legalism, judgmentalism, urbanlegendism, and sensationalism fill this site and are fundie as fundie can be. Just because they are Calvinistic doesn’t mean that they are not fundie.

          The halmark of fundieism is KJV-onlism, and these folks are KJV. That shows a supreme lack of scholarship and a tendency towards mystical superstition. There is more judgmental spiritual mysticism in their articles on such recent issues as the Haiti earthquake. Sporting such titles as, “Earthquakes are to punish wicked men for the glory of God.

          Now you can ask on here and you will find that I am a staunch defender of the Sovereignty of God… but these folks make a mockery of God by portraying him as a vindictive, petty, vengeful god “grinding the wicked” under the weight of his wrath.

          I guess it makes them feel better that God is pouring out his wrath on people they think are evil rather than actually praying for, and rendering aid to those who were affected by such a devastating disaster. Did they ever think that God may have allowed the earthquake in order to see if those who claim to be Christians will put their faith in shoe-leather?

          So, unless you are the pastor, on staff, married to or related to one of the same, you hero worship of letgodbetrue website is misplaced.

        4. Not sir, for your disappointment I go to a free will arminian Calvary Chapel. You’re write as a supporter of the counterfeit “Jesus of today’s apostate culture Christianity “.
          I found a weird coincidence that fellow Christians that reject sanctification and repentance (self-rightheous) hate this guy.
          I don’t agree 100% with him but he’s very helpful making some distinction on crucial and hard text and verses on today’s apostate American Christianity.

        5. This non bias writer is very judgement. The whole church is! I’ve never understand how people will give up their lives to follow a man! A man who totally twist scripture and takes it out of context!!
          Lord have mercy of you people. No music instruments because it’s not mentioned in the NT. And then turns around and uses the OT when it fits his fancy.
          I encourage you to seek God and His Righteousness not this man. He is in err in so much of his teaching.

        6. Concerned, thanks for pointing out how they use the OT when it FITS their agenda, doctrine, axe to grind, etc. Yet they neglect to teach the parts of the OT that disagree w/ their dogma, how convenient.

          they think they have the True Church tm…sad sorry little men they are. The people in their little fiefdoms, er I mean church- are terrified to speak out. they are completely brainwashed by these control freak men who call themselves “men of god”. I’m glad you see through it because unfortunately they are able to get people to follow them. I should know I used to follow a guy just like Crosby…so glad I saw the light and got out. It took a very long time, but thank God my family and I got freed from the craziness of those types of bible thumpers. They are abusive!!

  11. Seems that they need to practice what they preach. From their
    Articles of Faith:
    Definition of Good Works:

    We believe that good works are only such as God commands in His holy Word, and not such as are devised by men out of blind zeal, or upon any pretense of good intentions.

    1. So according to them the only Good works that are Good works are those found in the KJV. So unless you have scripture for it you can’t count your good works as good works?
      Wait, wait, wait… I’ve been out of the IFB so long now I almost forgot that you can get special interpretations and dispensations from the M-O-g, after all that’s what he’s there for; to Judge what works are good and which are bad.

      1. Exactly Don. The #1 good work according to Crosby & others of his stripe is join THEIR church, warm the benches & listen to all of the sermons to be indoctrinated more and more until you can’t think for yourself. I’ve seen it.

        They think that listening to preaching, or should I say -forced indoctrination- is the end all be all of being “godly”. the “ministry” is all about feeding the pastor’s ego & giving people guilt trip & the teaching & preaching. They give society nothing good & it produces self righteous & cruel people. I’ve seen it w/ my own eyes…..

        It’s so good to be out of that!! :twisted:

        1. You guys sound like a bunch of self -rightheous Non believers.
          I went to Google and searched for “satanic Bible “,and their most important commandment and sounds like you guys : “Do as you will” is the most important satanic commandment.
          And this satanic Bible rant against the real Bible and believers just you guys do same words and comments .
          This blog is scary.

        2. nonbias, churches like that also have a number one commandment which is “Do as your pastor will…”

          That guy just wants a following and it’s a pretty good money making gig too I bet.
          :twisted:

    2. “We believe that good works are only such as God commands in His holy Word, and not such as are devised by men out of blind zeal, or upon any pretense of good intentions.”

      What a limited view of God. He says in His Word that even a cup of cold water given in His name will be rewarded. Why would He not appreciate our using whatever opportunities come our way to do good?

      It reminds me of the servant with one talent in the parable who thought his master was a hard man and buried his talent just in case he’d lose it. He was so scared of offending his master that he didn’t attempt to invest and ironically he ended up displeasing his master.

      Whether therefore ye eat or drink or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. I don’t think I’m limited to JUST what Scripture says.

    1. Because you do not have ears to hear the truth. He says 911 was the finger of God?!?!? Good grief. God has nothing to do with sin or evil!!! Was was evil men who follow the devil the day of 911,,
      This church has NO GRACE!!
      We teach, expect, and enforce godly living. Really??? Enforce? That right there is power and control!!!!

  12. Ok, so after reading through all of the rants, all of the tactics used to discredit, and undermine the preaching of the gospel; I’d like to take one minute and explain to you why this man is God’s ambassador to His children here on earth.

    First, are you (ShadowGalleryV primarily) aware of what Ad Hominem is? No? Ad Hominem is when an argument is a personal attack on the man not the message. Obviously you had a very bad taste of a personal experience in the past. You try to convince everyone that the message is the problem, when you really haven’t combated the message – you’ve just tried your best to tare down the man.

    You stated that the people are forced into indoctrination by Brother Crosby, and yet haven’t convinced a single person on this blog by true evidence that the doctrine is incorrect. What’s the problem with the WORD? Why should we logically give up this “truth” because of your personal bias against the men preaching it? These are bigger concerns than whether or not the man is the best qualified.

    Do you believe in any man preaching/teaching any topic? Is it ok for leaders in AA to give advice about not drinking when they may have got drunk in their life? Is it ok for health nutritionists to give advice to eat a vegetarian diet when they may have had a Big Mac in their life? Are you ok with prior drug addicts giving motivational lectures to current drug addicts about not doing drugs? Ok – so you’re ok with this. Why would you expect a preacher to be blameless and “perfect”? He’s just a man and like any other man in the whole world – he has sinned. You have sinned. I have sinned. “Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” If you’re going to “diss” his whole message because he has sinned – then you must believe that there is no absolute truth to be taught anywhere because you’ll never be given a message by a perfectly sinless human.

    God forgive us all when we have fallen short.

    These men are trying their best to preach the Word of God. Give them credit. Pray for them. They are just men, but they are giving themselves incredibly for the service of the Most High.

    Ad Hominem? Let’s not attack the man. If you need, attack his message, let him refute your arguments, change what you need to change, and move on with your life.

    I hope this was a little insightful. In Christ alone,

    No Ad Hominem

  13. AdHominem,

    Since when is it a part of the gospel to believe that the KJV is God’s word? I have seen people be baptised and in their “confession” which is supposed to be a confession in faith in JESUS, they will confess that they also believe the KJV is god’s word.

    They have ADDED to the gospel with that. There is no example of confession to have faith in the KJV. so that’s just for starters. So with that you see they had ADDED to the gospel which is faith only in Christ!

  14. If you don’t choose a Bible, you can’t choose a religion. Bible versions vary TREMENDOUSLY. http://www.letgodbetrue.com/pdf/proving-the-kjv.pdf Yes, I’m using their website as proof. No, I don’t need to go and do all the work over again. I don’t need to reinvent the wheel. Yes, I can find others that support the argument that the King James Version is the inspired word of God in our language.

    1. Since when does one need to profess “belief” in the KJV to be a follower of Jesus. I thought the “gospel” was the good news of JESUS? The profession of faith is faith in Christ, is it not? Since when is it faith in a book?

      I don’t read anywhere in any bible about people confessing faith in a book. These guys have ADDED to the gospel, plain and simple.

    2. I know all of the supposed reasons those guys worship the KJV. I’ve been there and used to think like them. Fortunately over time I began to see many hypocrisies and inconsistencies in the doctrine & manner of life. Over time I had enough and left.

      As far as the KJV goes, how come the versions used today do not contain the Apocrypha that the 1611 ORIGINAL bible had? So your King James version is not even the same as the original! In addition there were errors in the first editions:

      “Two editions of the whole Bible are recognized as having been produced in 1611, which may be distinguished by their rendering of Ruth 3:15; the first edition reading “he went into the city”, where the second reads “she went into the city.”- these are known colloquially as the “He” and “She” Bibles.”

      There are thousands of sects who say THEY have the proper interpretation of the bible & everyone else is wrong. Anyone can use the bible to back up their version of Christianity. Oh and please remember, “by their fruits you shall know them” so anyone who is a preacher better be of a higher moral caliber than the average folk, but of course we know they aren’t now are they..wink. Yet the majority of pastor’s put themselves above the flock, just the same as the Catholic priests they always cut down. At least w/ the Catholics they have hierarchies, wheras in the Crosby/Mott church it’s a one man dictatorship! LOL These pastors will give THEIR interpretation of the bible and you had better not disagree lest you be tossed out, church disciplined and excommunicated.

      Those guys can’t handle anyone who has a different viewpoint, I know -I’ve seen it!

    3. I know all of the reasons those guys worship the KJV. I used to think like them. Fortunately over time I began to see many hypocrisies and inconsistencies in the doctrine & manner of life.

      As far as the KJV goes, how come the versions used today do not contain the Apocrypha that the 1611 ORIGINAL bible had? So your King James version is not even the same as the original! In addition there were errors in the first editions:

      “Two editions of the whole Bible are recognized as having been produced in 1611, which may be distinguished by their rendering of Ruth 3:15; the first edition reading “he went into the city”, where the second reads “she went into the city.”- these are known colloquially as the “He” and “She” Bibles.”

      There are thousands of sects who say THEY have the proper interpretation of the bible & everyone else is wrong. Anyone can use the bible to back up their version of Christianity. Oh and please remember, “by their fruits you shall know them” so anyone who is a preacher better be of a higher moral caliber than the average folk, but of course we know they aren’t now are they..wink.wink. Yet the majority of pastors put themselves above the flock. In the Crosby/Mott church it’s a one man dictatorship! LOL These pastors will give THEIR interpretation of the bible and you had better not disagree lest you be tossed out, church disciplined and excommunicated.

      Those guys can’t handle anyone who has a different viewpoint.

  15. Regarding ad hominen attacks…maybe Jesus wasn’t aware that he shouldn’t bring up the behavior of certain folks in his day. He stated quite a few times “Woe unto you”…and then proceeded to point out his targets’ hypocritical behaviors.

    Just something to think about…

    1. Hi Highlander,

      My experience w/ those pastors is that they could get up in THEIR pulpit and tear to shreds anyone who disagrees with them or who dares to question their doctrines and authority. However if someone is to speak out against them (as they do very often about others…) then they cry like a babies that they are being “persecuted”. :roll:

  16. I used to go to that church. In fact I grew up in that church. I never became member because of things I saw and did not like. Two years ago while I was in Jacksonville fl for college. Jonathan Crosby walked down the pews to my father and told him that my brother and I were to come back home and be sent to college near the church and that he was never to speak about the military again. I was informed that one of the young men in the church had thoughts about joining the military and that my father was the one to blame for it. So he was excommunicated. I grew up with these people and now that my father is excommunicated and (shortly my mother for non attendance). I can’t speak to any one of them. If you met them in public they will ignore you. No acknowledgement whatsoever. If someone had caught them speaking to us they will get in trouble. These people are what my father calls crosbietes. Whatever he says goes and it has always been like that. I have seen people excommunicated because they had different ideologies than his and the church. Families have been torn apart with little to no communication. Once your excommunicated your allowed to come back but until then your a nobody. Because of them I have come to realize that people who shout Jesus the loudest and highest you must be cautious and on your guard.

    1. Hi Anonymous!

      I’m so glad that you were able to see the abuse taking place in that church. I was involved in Ben Mott’s little cult for many years, but saw so much bad….that i finally got the strength and left that horrible place.

      I saw excommunications, hypocrisies, self righteousness and spiritual abuse. They tear up families and build walls between other believers and just humans who don’t believe like they do, when they should be building bridges. Ben Mott would often complain about our “welfare state government” saying that charity should be the job of the churches, not the govt. Well if that is so I saw very little charity going out at the Detroit church…unless you are a sold out cult follower that is. Any charity was basically a business deal, you wash my hand, I’ll wash yours as when the Detroit church would give the Ecclesiastical Law Center a brown bag Read= CASH DONATION and supposedly that’s charity. When it’s really a business deal. If our society relied on those churches to do something Jesus would be very angry as they do NOTHING to help the poor, disenfranchised and hurting in this world. Again, the charity only goes to those who are drinking the koolaid in the cult.

      Hang in there! Stick around and I wish you the best.

  17. Hi anonymous, I’ll also add, in case you didn’t know this, that Ben Mott ordained Jon or his brother Paul Crosby? They were both at one time, members of Ben Mott’s fiefdom..I mean-”church”.. In time, one of them (I do think it was Paul??) disagreed w/ some of Ben Mott’s teachings, which caused a huge church split & excommunications… Ben Mott doesn’t take someone who disagrees with him very well, as I notice most of these guys are that way. Seems like Crosby has carried on the tradition of control and fear well.

    I was excommunicated because I no longer agreed w/ what was being taught. I just wanted out, but they wont let ANYONE leave on peaceable terms. Every single person who has left the Detroit church has been -church disciplined-. It’s just his way to punish those who dare to think for themselves or have a different interpretation of the bible. I’m so glad I can laugh about it now- considering how painful it was.

    To me it’s just the same ole…”WE’VE got the True Church tm & those other lukewarm christians are deceived and not true christians! WE are the true believers…blah blah blah”- nonsense. It’s how they are able to guilt and control people that is so sad. I was dumped like a hot potato when I decided I had taken enough abuse in the Detroit church…so much for Christ’s love. People I thought were my friends dumped me like I was so much garbage. It was horrible. So I know what excommunication is like in those types of churches. They should be ashamed of themselves for that.

    And I have no respect for those men because they hide…if they really believed it, how come they arent out in the world- like the Westboro Baptist church folks? They believe EXACTLY the same things….God’s hatred, etc. At least Fred Phelps had the balls to show the world what his bible religion was all about in it’s true colors. But B. Mott’s excommunication sermons are not available for the public to see…he does PR making sure that the outside world knows only what HE wants them to. When you join then you start to see behind the closed doors and how it REALLY is…and trust me, it aint about God or Jesus or God’s grace. It’s about a MAN and his fiefdom, family, proclivities and his take on what the bible says by picking and choosing the verses he needs to back his version of doctrine. While ignoring what’s in the bible that he doesn’t like or contradicts what he teaches. Yet they say all of those -other- christians just pick and choose when they are just as guilty of cherry picking their pet verses and ignoring the rest as well.

    Anyhow, Just want you to know you are not alone. If you ever want to contact me to chat, perhaps you could contact the guy who runs this site and he would give you my email, though I don’t know if he would or not? Just sayin’.

    1. “B. Mott’s excommunication sermons are not available for the public to see” – Not true. His excommunication sermons are listed on his site and i have listened to some and am thankful for this mans stance in these perilous times.

      1. Cephas stated: “… His excommunication sermons are listed on his site …”

        Cephas, are you referring to Ben Mott or John Crosby?Can you please supply a link to the excommunication sermons?

        Thanks.

  18. You have no idea what you are saying to be “thankful” he is doing what he is doing w/ church discipline. Emotionally abusing, punishing, shaming and shunning people who choose to leave his church to attend another is nothing to be thankful for! He may as well be the religious gestapo. Perhaps you like the idea living under a religious dictatorship? I certainly do not.

    As far as the excommunication sermons being there, well they weren’t there when I checked last. The church discipline sermon I have is a DVD which says “For church membership ONLY”….in large red letters. Were you around during the times when he, in the middle of a sermon would direct the people who were taping his sermons to…”stop the tape machine?”

    After the huge split in that church in the 90′s he told the men they could not have bible studies without him being present!
    He lies & belches from his pulpit that anyone is FREE to leave his church, when he knows good and damn well how he will disparage those who leave with a harsh church discipline sermon to put fear in those who stick around, lest they get ideas of leaving. Anyone who dares to leave his church is told to “watch out for God’s fiery indignation!”

    Wake up!

    1. It’s ok. Im from South Africa and am not gonna draw any judgments on the man from what you might have experienced. im just interested in learning from the Pastor that’s all. His preaching in general is goooood. Very knowledgeable man. I’ll always be grateful to God for men that preach sound doctrine. Think im done with this thread now. Cheers!

      1. I just had to laugh with your preach “sound doctrine” comment. Ha ha ha! Sound doctrine my ass. He has his pet verses and ignores the rest!

        Oh, btw Adolph Hitler was quite a persuasive speaker too.

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