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Since this site is named “Stuff Fundies Like” I suppose it behooves us to come up with at least a broad definition of who these fundamentalists are and what makes them different from their mere evangelical counterparts. The task is far from simple for a variety of reasons not the least of which is that those who claim the title of “fundamentalist” disagree vehemently about who should and should not be privileged to share it with them.

George Marsden has famously described Christian fundamentalists as “evangelicals who are angry about something.”1 That definition is, perhaps, more true than most fundamentalists will admit but it lacks a certain amount of specificity. There are, for example, many evangelicals who are prone to anger and yet fall outside of the the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) circles about which most of this blog is written.

When pressed many IFB members will claim that being a fundamentalist means simply holding “the fundamentals. The five most commonly held fundamentals of the faith have been:

  • The inspiration of the Bible by the Holy Spirit and the inerrancy of Scripture as a result of this.
  • The virgin birth of Christ.
  • The belief that Christ’s death was the atonement for sin.
  • The bodily resurrection of Christ.
  • The historical reality of Christ’s miracles.2

However, even this fails as an accurate test for this would cover many in the Southern Baptist Convention, some Bible Presbyterians, and many other non-denominational churches with whom any good Independent Fundamental Baptist would not associate. Indeed, neither the author nor many of the readers of this blog have any problem with many or all of these points even though they have long since left attending a fundamentalist church.

What becomes readily apparent after a certain amount of time is that the IFB movement has not only separated itself from those who practice “liberal theology” (which encompasses everything from infant baptism to using modern Bible versions) but also parts with those who participate in any part of the post-1960′s American culture that it considered to be “worldly.” This latter separation includes a large focus on certain types of music, styles of dress, the movie theater, alcohol, and a seemingly endless number of other activities. In reality it is these standards rather than any true doctrinal test that define the “fundamentals” for most Independent Baptist Fundamentalists.

As these fundamentalists have begun to vie for the position of being more and more separated from their brethren by taking more and more extreme stances, many thoughtful and reasonable people have left the movement leaving a good number of churches and schools headed by increasingly radical and isolationist leaders. As the leadership heads into what is formally known in ecclesiastical circles as “crazypants town” so the congregations follow them to the mixed amusement and horror of those of us who grew up in the movement. Here at SFL we chronicle and scrutinize this slow drift of the IFB to oblivion with posts that are sometimes satirical and sometimes serious and sometimes simply the fundamentalists in their own words.

If you’ve ever been an Independent Fundamental Baptist or know someone who has been I invite you to stay and chat a while. After all, your IFB friends and neighbors are mostly likely already here.

1 Marsden, George. Understanding Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1991.
2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism#Christian_origins

473 thoughts on “About”

  1. The fact that you have taken the time to construct a website around this topic tells me that you’re probably a little cry baby wimp who got his “wittle feewings huwt” by what you call a “fundy” 20 years ago and you just can’t let it go. lol.. what kind of loser dedicates this much time to such an endeavor? Truly, a new low in human society… Why don’t you be a man and show yourself and put your address on this site instead of hiding behind the web like the pathetic excuse of a man that you are… Huh? You’ll never do it will you? lol… Loser…

    1. Is Jim Bobz your real name? Just curious. My real name is Darrell and my picture is right over there <—

      You’ll find out all about me if you go to darrelldow.com

      I have no reason to hide from or fear the likes of you. I’ve seen really scary things in my day and you’re not them. You’re just mildly annoying.

    2. Dear Jim Bobz,
      It’s good to hear from you. I hadnt heard how you was doing since you and your missus got devorced. At least you kin still see her at famly reunions sense shes still yur sister.

    3. Darrell uses his real name and picture on this site, and he has revealed his home town and a whole lot of other personal information here. So whatever you may think of him and his activities, the charge that he’s hiding is a non-starter.

      1. “Why don’t you be a man and show yourself and put your address on this site instead of hiding behind the web like the pathetic excuse of a man that you are… ”

        Does trolling websites and forums to leave comments lacking in contextual relevance, factual accuracy or intellectual profundity make you a man? Guess I’m doing it wrong too Darrell . . .

  2. Just out of curiosity what do you think about “fundies” like me who are humbled by God and His grace.? I’m not angry all the time like you’ve stated as a characteristic. Though sin does make me upset. I have good close friends who are not ifb, we disagree but our relationships don’t end because of it. Just because there are some like you describe doesn’t mean all of us are like that.

    1. I’ve never even been back here to the “About” page until this week. Amber, ditto. You said it perfectly for “fundies” like “us”.

  3. Amber,

    We have no problem at all with Fundies who possess the traits you describe. You will pardon us for being stunned, though, because we’re not used to it. The humility, I mean.

    It’s refreshing. We pray for more like you.

    We know that people like you exist. We also know that you aren’t what made the biggest impression on us. And we are thankful for the ones like you that we WERE blessed to know.

    Speaking for myself, I have no problem if you choose to believe the Fundy line. My problem is that I have known precious few who were willing to live peaceably with anyone who DIDN’T.

    Mike

  4. The way this whole site you have made has turned being saved into some sort of joke really brings to mind what Jesus said here:
    So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

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    Then while you mock those of us that believe the bible in our hand actually is true and is actually the original Hebrew and Greek autographs/original manuscripts preserved perfectly in English thanks to not man, but thanks to God, it brings these scriptures to mind

    So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16

    Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Matthew 22:29

    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.Luke 14:26

    He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37

    He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16

    Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Matthew 22:29

    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.Luke 14:26

    He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37

    He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25

    Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

    Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death Revelation 21:8

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9
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    You should really stop mocking salvation like that.

    Read these two books:

    Which Bible Would Jesus Use?: The Bible Version Controversy Explained and Resolved by Jack McElroy and D. William Grady (Nov 18, 2013)

    The Certainty of the Words, How the King James Bible Solves the Ambiguity of the Original Languages” by Kyle Stephens (Jun 6, 2012)

    1. What makes you think we haven’t read these books and more like them?

      All of my Bible translations have these same verses in them, with the same meanings.

      Jesus quoted from the LXX, the Septuagent. A translation of the Hebrew texts into Greek. Maybe that is the translation you should use, since it is “the Bible Jesus used”.
      Don’t blindly start an argument with the assumption that you are the only person who has studied a subject. You also need to read from both sides of an issue to truly reason it out. There are plenty of writings from excellent scholars on the translation issue you should read. I would suggest some, but in my experience people with your beliefs are too narrow minded to expand their horizons.

      1. What makes me think you haven’t read these books?

        you could go over to biblehub and pull up Zechariah 13:6 and ask Where are the wounds?

        Really,
        What makes me think you haven’t read these books?
        The fact that you guys obviously do not believe any bible you hold in your hand is the actual inerrant words of God preserved by God in English, if you did believe that, you would not be mocking salvation the way you guys do. You guy’s are bible agnostics, you act like atheists when it comes to preserving God’s words and hate the people that actually believe what the bible in their hand says is true and binding .

        Ever since Warfield started that nonsense of claiming to only believe in the infallible inerrant original manuscripts, original Hebrew Greek autographs the original bible that does not exist all these pastors have followed waiving a bible around in the air and saying the bible says this or that and yet not actually believing the bible they are holding is without error,
        It is so stupid and that you guys make it into a joke is even worse.

        What I believe, is the King James Bible is the original manuscripts, the original Hebrew and Greek autographs translated and preserved perfectly in English, and that it was God that was responsible for the final English word choices in the King James translation and it is God who has used that King James Bible for 400 years even translating the KJB into 760+ languages where English( God creates languages himself anyway) gave a better translation to the receptor languages. At this point it is just Scholars textual critics filled with pride wanting to go back to the Greek, back to the Hebrew when they don’t even have “The Greek, the Hebrew, not the originals and not needed, since God gave us the KJB, I believe that on Faith just like I believe a serpent spoke and a man rose from the dead. I can understand being mocked by atheists, evolutionists yet people that are supposed to be brethren it makes no sense, except when it seems most USA Christianity is lukewarm, people claim to be fired up for Jesus yet want to do things in ways that the world likes, that is friendly with the world rather than doing it biblically. It comes down to the King James Bible believers are the only Christians that believe the bible in their hands is true.

        Everybody else is more concerned with looking cool and being accepted by the world , people are going to hell, and others are Saved from Hell by the blood of Jesus and you guys act like it your salvation is a joke… is this site an atheist parody of Christians? Or what

        Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

        Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

        But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death Revelation 21:8

        That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

        So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

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        Which Bible Would Jesus Use?: The Bible Version Controversy Explained and Resolved by Jack McElroy and D. William Grady (Nov 18, 2013)

        The Certainty of the Words, How the King James Bible Solves the Ambiguity of the Original Languages” by Kyle Stephens (Jun 6, 2012)

        1. Because coming here showing off your cut-and-paste skills is going to impress us and win us over?

          Nope. We’ve been there and been just as obnoxious to others as you are being to us.

          We are not all agnostics. You would know that if you came here and read all the blog posts. As in from the very beginning. You would also know that there are some here who use the bisexual King Jimmy’s version of your holy book because they feel it to be the best one.

          A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city. I can quote your holy book too. I’m thinking that you would say that the people here aren’t really saved so that doesn’t apply. I don’t know if that’s actually what the verse means, but hey, that’s what it says in English.

          Coming on like a freight train isn’t going to make friends here nor will you make converts out of us. I doubt you’ll take the hint but don’t say you haven’t been warned.

        2. Brian, you didn’t answer my question, you just spouted your ignorance. When you grow up enough to engage in real conversation, let me know and we can have a dialogue.

          I’ll use smaller words this time in my comment. My ESV, NASB, NKJV, and NIV all have the same verses with the same meanings as your KJV. You also did not address the statement about the Scriptures Jesus actually used, you just plugged your fictional account of the Bible He uses.

      1. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

        Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

        But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death Revelation 21:8

        That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

        So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

    2. Yep, you can quote verses, can’t you?

      What makes you think they have anything to do with our situation here at SFL? Might they have more to do with your hubris, desire for a vengeful God to show His wrath on us (which He isn’t doing!), and so on and so forth?

      Maybe you are the Pharisee? You might be!

  5. Why do you guys make Salvation out to be a joke?

    Why do the people who do not believe the bible in their hands is true without error (bible agnostics)turn out to be the same people trying to be friends with the world and “do the Christianity thing ” in a way that appeals to the flesh of unbelievers?

    Why is it that only King James Bible believers take the below two verses seriously while bible agnostics and atheists point fingers and laugh and make mocking websites against bible believers?

    Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

    Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

  6. See what you people brand as King James Onlyism, I refer to as Holy Bible Onlyism

    What is referred to as the King James Bible was simply The Holy Bible in english before all these modern english “versions” that print “Holy Bible” on their covers so that forces us to refer to the King James Bible instead of saying Holy Bible.

    I believe the King James Bible is the infallible inerrant original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, the original autographs translated into and perfectly preserved in english, the language God chose to use the last 400 years and in the last days.

    If you claim that the King James Bible is not the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts translated into and preserved in english by God using men in the process, then tell me which single english language bible is so get a copy in my hands to read and believe. If you instead say to refer to “the Hebrew or “the Greek” which Hebrew and which Greek as you and I both know nobody has the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts all they have is copies of copies of copies that disagree with each other. So either we have a bible that God preserved the words of his original manusripts in or we don’t and if we don’t, then God didn’t preserve them and that would call God a liar and we might all just go join http://www.atheists.org/

    You said before that all the verses I posted say and mean the same thing in your various english bible “versions” yet that is very easy to see is untrue

    Who was manifest in the flesh?

    English Standard Version
    Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

    New American Standard Bible
    By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

    King James Bible
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory

    The modern english bible “versions” are like rat poison which is 97-99% good food with the poison mixed in it, if you think those mean the same thing go try to explain that to a Jehovah Witness.

    Parallel Verses Zechariah 13:6

    King James Bible
    And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends

    or

    Zechariah 13:6The Message (MSG)

    And if someone says, ‘And so where did you get that black eye?’ they’ll say, ‘I ran into a door at a friend’s house.’

    This is a prophecy verse of Jesus, NIV thinks Jesus will be naked, The NLV and ESV and HCSV think Jesus will be half naked and who knows what NASV is talking about? Only the King James Bible has the verse and prophecy correct.

    New International Version
    If someone asks, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ they will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’

    New Living Translation
    And if someone asks, ‘Then what about those wounds on your chest?’ he will say, ‘I was wounded at my friends’ house!’

    English Standard Version
    And if one asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your back?’ he will say, ‘The wounds I received in the house of my friends.’

    New American Standard Bible
    “And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will say, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’

    King James Bible
    And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    If someone asks him: What are these wounds on your chest?–then he will answer: I received the wounds in the house of my friends.
    This could go on and on how can you guys not see it, ? Read these books

    Which Bible Would Jesus Use?: The Bible Version Controversy Explained and Resolved by Jack McElroy and D. William Grady (Nov 18, 2013)

    The Certainty of the Words, How the King James Bible Solves the Ambiguity of the Original Languages” by Kyle Stephens (Jun 6, 2012)

    I’m not King James Bible Only, I’m Holy Bible Only can’t afford to put my faith in a Jesus other than the Jesus in the Holy Bible, the King James Bible

    1. Brian, you need to start reading complete passages and not individual verses. You also would do well to understand the the verse and chapter divisions, while helpful, are not inspired. They were added to assist in finding particular passages.
      When you read complete passages, you would see the error of you thinking and begin to understand what God is saying not what some people want him to say to match their particular view. The verses you insist leave out God do not. The translators, among other reasons, entered the names of God into the text so that people who only read individual verses would still understand.

      Your KJV idolatry should frighten you. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost should be your focus, not a particular translation.

      By the way, the current King James Version is from 1769, which is only 245 years old, not 400.

      1. http://biblewithoutverses.com/ I got one of those printed up last year

        Truth is,

        There can be only one Holy Bible in each language, in English that Holy Bible is the King James Bible.

        Without that Holy Bible Neither me nor you would know who the father the Word nor the Holy Ghost was or is

        So, which one of these is the Holy Bible?

        ◄ 1 John 5:7 ►
        Parallel Verses

        New International Version
        For there are three that testify:

        New Living Translation
        So we have these three witnesses–

        English Standard Version
        For there are three that testify:

        New American Standard Bible
        For there are three that testify:

        King James Bible
        For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        For there are three that testify:

        International Standard Version
        For there are three witnesses —

        If God didn’t want us to have the chapter and verse numbers in the Holy Bible in English, he could have led the translators to leave them out

        So you mentioned The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost at the same time knocking the Holy bible that tells us how they are one.

        I’m a young earth creationist or call it biblical creationist and yet the old earth creationists act like atheists when it comes to creation, not believing Ex 20:11 yet if Ex 20:11 wasn’t true then why believe anything after it the gospel makes no sense in a billiob years million years death before sin, if sin is supposed to be the cause of death, well, in the same way people who claim that the King James Bible is not the Holy Bible in English preserved by God and yet they don’t tell you which one is the Holy Bible in English instead and act as if there is none and say go look at Hebrew and Greek yet it is known that the original autographs/manuscripts are long gone with just copies that disagree with each other so there is no authoritative “the Greek or the Hebrew to look at .

        That leads to either God did not bother to preserve his words perfectly for us which would make him a liar or he did preserve the words of those original Hebrew and Greek autographs/manuscripts in a bible we can hold in our hands, it seems that that bible would be the Holy Bible and stick out among counterfeits . Just like how the old earth creationists act like atheists when it comes to creation, the people who bash the King James Bible act like atheists when it comes to the preservation of God’s words from the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.

        Just ask the question http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

        just going on

        http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm you get the answer real quick

        1. Show me where anyone here has bashed the King James translation.
          Not used another, that isn’t the same. Show me somewhere on this site the KJV has been bashed.

      2. You said:

        :Your KJV idolatry should frighten you. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost should be your focus, not a particular translation.:

        Yet UncleWilver, only the one paticular translation tells you who they are

        ◄ 1 John 5:7 ►

        Parallel Verses

        New International Version
        For there are three that testify:

        New Living Translation
        So we have these three witnesses–

        English Standard Version
        For there are three that testify:

        New American Standard Bible
        For there are three that testify:

        King James Bible
        For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        For there are three that testify:

        International Standard Version
        For there are three witnesses —

        NET Bible
        For there are three that testify,

        Your denial of the Holy Bible (King James Bible in English) should frighten you when you realize you would not even know who The Father, Word, and Holy Ghost are if you had only niv nlt esv nasv and it is no wonder that Muslims will point to an NIV when arguing about the trinity

    2. I think we need to get this “KJV the Perfect” thing sorted. The KJV is not the original Greek and Hebrew converted to English bible. I have a copy of the Geneva Bible, which was produced in 1599. It is definitely the correct Bible.

      And Brian, seriously, you appeal to the Jehovah’s Witnesses to give testimony of which Bible is the right one? Seriously?

      1. In fact, the Geneva Bible has “u”s instead of “v”‘s and “f”‘s instead of “s”‘s, just as the original Greek and Hebrew did – that’s how spiritual it is.

  7. Brian,
    After many years of having supposed men of god shoving scripture, legalism, and outright lies down my throat, I decided to ask God himself just what was Truth and what was un-truth. You see I serve a very, very powerful God that has no boundaries, no weaknesses, no dependencies on mere mortal man. My God can speak directly to me without the help of a mere mortal man. My God can hear me without an earthly representative to go to Him on my behalf. My God does not depend on a book that has had so many men’s fingerprints on it that nobody can ever know for sure what is the true translation. My God does not dwell in a building built by human hands, but inside of me as I am the temple of God. He has sent His Spirit upon me to lead and direct me throughout this cruel and vile world that Satan has corrupted. You can quote all the out of context scripture you want, and all the supposed m-o-g’s that you feel the need too, but that does in know way give you the truth. My friend no man either living or dead that has walked the face of this earth has had the Truth, they have only had it revealed to them by God in His time. You will say, that God preserved the scriptures for the English speaking people with the good ole KJB, you will quote all kinds of scripture and many, many men, but where does God promise this? God has been so watered down to the point that even those who profess His name, have absolutely no clue who He even really is, or even the extent of His incomprehensible power. I don’t spend a lot of time here, and have never commented except after my experience with a church in my area that had a loud, obnoxious, arrogant, and general know-it-all fake doctor stand and scream for four straight days about absolutely nothing of any comprehension other that to continue to further his agenda and to fleece the flock for as much money as he possibly could and then get out of town to the next such meeting. I worked for one of the largest IFB churches in the area and have seen the most intimate inner workings of these churches and the cruel things that go on behind closed doors. I have a perspective on the coming and goings of these supposed housed of god that most will never have the opportunity to see. And it is for the best in almost every case. I have had the most vile things said about me by people such as yourself who claim to have the truth because you have a book that you can twist and contort to your liking and to make yourself feel better about yourself and where you are in life. I have found that people like this are the most untrusting, backstabbing, ruthless, and down right underhanded beings on the face of this earth, and they continually twist the truth and quote scripture to justify their actions and agenda’s. Answer me these few questions: Why do you make God so complicated, when His plan was so simple? Why to you minimize His abilities, when I think we can agree that His power is limitless. Why is it that he had to send His Son to die for us, if there are so many men of god on this earth that can get the job done and have all the answers? I know exactly what you will say, and that is just what Satan will have you to believe as well as others who are trapped in not only IFB churches, but in all churches. I will not condemn anyone who wants to attend a church and anyone who says otherwise does not know me or what I have come form, but for me and my family I will not grace these dens of Satan, led by his false prophets and pharisees. I have stood and watched men who thought they could do it better, or thought they had a truth that the previous guy didn’t have, or they were so much more humble than that other guy and they really feel that they would be much more successful. Well news flash my friend, no one can take the place of Christ. They never have and never will. So sorry for such the long rant, but I’ve had more than enough of the talking heads, so to speak, who think that they or their church can do it better, and they hold a truth that the others don’t. I choose to serve the one true God who truly loves me as a child, and has no limit to His power. I have seen it, and I have seen true evil, and there is no man on earth who can convince me of anything contradictory to what God has told me and shown me. Just ask God for the truth and take off the rose colored glasses. Just be ready to have your whole world rocked.

    1. The Holy Bible is not just some random book the bible is authenticated as coming from the true living God by fulfilled prophecies contained within, so you see
      fulfilled prophecies are the great proof that the Bible, ( in English, the King James Bible ) is
      correct and accurate, and fulfilled prophecies are verifiable in modern history and are unique to the
      bible not the q’uran nor any other “holy book” has fulfilled prophecies that you can go verify right now
      today.
      Look to fulfilled prophecies, not ancient fulfilled prophecies but prophecies fulfilled now between 1948
      and 2008 and still being fulfilled. The God of the bible said that he would predict the future and we
      would know he is who he claims to be by his predictions coming true. Since you live now in 2014 look
      to prophecies fulfilled in the last 66 years
      get a bible then get the book Ancient Prophecies Revealed by Ken Johnson go to page 89 the last 3
      chapters of the book, read the prophecies verify they are in the bible written way before we were alive
      then verify in current mainstream news sources that they came true and more still are coming true.
      Not vague stuff and not self fulfilling stuff , straight up predictions of future events that came
      true just as God predicted.

      If the Holy Bible did not have any fulfilled prophecies there would be no reason to believe it was from God instead of man and if you have gone and rejected the Holy Bible in order to listen to a spirit in your head, how will you explain away fulfilled prophecies, or are you one of those Christians who did not know that fulfilled prophecies are the great proof of the Holy Bible? God gave us the prophecies so that we would know he is who he claims so if you have some spirit telling you not to listen to the Holy Bible, that spirit is not of God, because the prophecies are verifiable , the bible has been authenticated already. If you did not know that, now you do.

      1. So are saying I’m possessed by the devil or one of his “spirits” because I gave a testimony that God can speak to me through His Spirit? Or is it because I don’t worship the King James Bible like you do. At no time have I rejected the Bible as being completely false. You have made that assumption. You are on the war path to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong and you will use any argument possible to prove your point. I guess I’m just a bitter person much like everyone else who comments here is labeled as because we choose to seek God’s wisdom and not man’s knowledge.

        1. God gave us truth written in the Holy Bible, that in English is the King James Bible yet since you don’t like that truth you are talking to a spirit that has a different non sin convicting message.. think about it.

          If the sprit told you not to listen to the bible then what is your authority of authenticating the spirit is from God or from god the other one? The Holy Bible has already been authenticated by fulfilled prophecies, how do you authenticate a spirit that tells you not to listen to the Holy Bible?

          What does your spirit say about this scripture?

          Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

          How about these?

          Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

          Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

          For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever 1 John 2:16-17

          Test the spirit

          Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:2-3

          Really man you don’t sound like you are talking to God, it sounds like you are talking to Rick Warren and Joel Osteen instead

      2. No Bible prophesy has been fulfilled between 1948 and now.

        None. Nada. Zip.

        Nothing has to happen before Christ returns.

        AND, if you were to read every book dealing with prophesy in the present day and their interpretation of events and Scripture, virtually all of them have been dead wrong about the implications of events. None of them have been right if and when they predict the coming of the Lord, or events concerning Israel and the Middle East.

        Heh, but they keep writing ‘em. Their reputation is built on hype and minimization of the reality of their failure.

        Why, last I looked, the Van Impe’s still had a TV program on some minor cable outlet, still talking about prophesy, doom and gloom and still wrong. Always wrong.

  8. “Anonymous Brave Sole”

    Are you saying that you are listening to a “spirit” and that spirit is telling you to question God’s words?

    sounds familiar, seems I read a similar account in the Holy Bible you are rejecting, is your name Steve by any chance because the first woman Eve, made the same mistake you are making

    Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Genesis 3:1

    You must not forget that satan can perform signs and wonders that is how the antichrist will deceive many.

    It seems though you are just following your own emotions as the authority and that is dangerous, that’s why God gave us the Holy Bible, it is outside of us, objective truth to test all things with.

    1. So you think your a funny guy. No, my name is not Steve and I was not in the garden of eden. Let me see if I can make this as clear as possible for you: I hear the voice of God spoken through his Spirit that was given to my by Him to guide and direct me throughout my existence on this earth after I believe that His Son Christ died for my sins and freed me from the bondage of this world and those that dwell in said world. I am led by God’s Holy Spirit and not some random “spirit” as you have so eluded to. Furthermore, as I stated above I asked God for the truth, and not some random “spirit.” I could just like you quote all kinds of scripture to prove my point, but I would be no better than you or any other man that will stand and try to justify their stance by such means. My emotions have nothing to do with what I feel, and I never said I rejected God’s Word. I reject the fact that men worship a book translated in the 1600′s, with certain restrictions on how some phrases and words were to be translated as to justify the hierarchy they had created over a thousand years since Christ walked the earth. I reject the establishment of a local institutional church and the men who place themselves in the place of Christ, and usurp His power and use it to their lord over God’s people. If you have to argue and twist scripture to prove that the way it has “always been” is the truth, then it probably is not true. God did not make it that complicated. I have heard every argument to justify the stance that men take today, but I’m sorry I have seen the light and I know that God has shown me Truth. My friend if satan can manipulate what we consider worldly, then what can he not place false ministers in the place we call the house of God. Once again, I challenge you to ask God for the Truth.

      1. God gave us truth in the Holy Bible, yet since you don’t like that truth you are talking to a spirit that has a different non sin convicting message..

        What does your spirit say about this scripture?

        Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

        How about these?

        Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

        Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

        For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever 1 John 2:16-17

        Really man you don’t sound like you are talking to God, it sounds like you are talking to Rick Warren and Joel Osteen instead

  9. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23

    all of us

    Where are we headed if left alone? :

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

    How do we get saved from that?

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

    Why will we be saved, who took our punishment?:

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life .John 3:16

    What did Jesus accomplish on the cross?

    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.1 John 2:2

    Remember in order to be saved you don’t have to be a hulu hoop champ you need to do this sincerely:

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

    Are you condemned?:

    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

    Don’t forget:

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

  10. If the “spirit you are listening to is telling you to ignore the scriptures then the spirit is not of God

    Do you accept or deny the below scriptures are objective authoritative truth or do you hold the voice in your head above those scriptures?

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23

    all of us

    Where are we headed if left alone? :

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

    How do we get saved from lake which burneth with fire and brimstone?

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

    Why will we be saved, who took our punishment?:

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life .John 3:16

    What did Jesus accomplish on the cross?

    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.1 John 2:2

    How do we get saved (a reminder)

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

    Who is not condemned and who is condemned?

    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

    Don’t forget,

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

    1. You obviously do not have the ability to comprehend anything that I have written. You have a one track mind, much like those that I have experienced in my past. I can quote just as much scripture as the next, but so could the pharisees and we all see how justified they were. A relationship with God is not dependent on anything but a decision to either accept or reject the Truth set before us. I have accepted the Truth and now have a relationship with my God that I could never understand before I let loose of the bonds of religion and man made rules. You have twisted and contorted what I have said and have at no point understood anything I have shared.

      1. No man, the Pharisees put their own changing opinions above scripture, that’s what you are doing, I’m telling you to have the scripture as the authority and that is opposite of the Pharisees

        Man Was it these scriptures that turned you away from the Holy Bible?

        Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

        Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

        Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

        For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever 1 John 2:16-17

        Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:2-3

        1. You can take this however you want, but I don’t have anymore time to waste on you. You can disagree with me all you want, and I am completely fine with that. You have completely missed the entire point of my comments and you have insinuated and assumed many things about me that are not true.

      2. I did not tell you to go to any “church” building or service nor to listen to any pastor, I told you listen to the Holy Bible as your authority and that in English the Holy Bible is the King James Bible.

        Your original comment sounded as if you threw the Holy Bible away as a result of talking to a spirit and I’m saying that no spirit that is of God is going to tell you to ignore the Holy Bible.

        Does that spirit tell you to ignore these scriptures below or is it your own emotions telling you that since is easier on the flesh?

        Man Was it these scriptures that turned you away from the Holy Bible?

        Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

        Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

        Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

        For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever 1 John 2:16-17

        Test that spirit

        Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:2-3

      3. What truth are you referring to being set before you to accept if you are rejecting the infallibility of the only book that even tells you the truth you are supposed to be accepting?

        It makes no sense man.

        God revealed his truth to us in writing authenticated by fulfilled prophecies and the mind of Christ is contained in the words of scripture and they are preserved perfectly in the Holy Bible (King James Bible in English)

        The only reason any man would reject that is they don’t like what it says that’s how you get Qurans and books of Mormon and watchtower societies jw

        Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

        Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

        Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

        For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever 1 John 2:16-17

        Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:2-3

        I don’t worship a book, I worship the God that wrote it and preserved it and told us to keep his words

      4. Who is the spirit that you are speaking to?

        How do you know he is who he claims to be?

        Against what authority do you test any claims the spirit tells you?

        Did that spirit tell you that the King James Bible is not the Holy Bible in the English language?

        If so, did that spirit tell you which of the 200+ bible “versions” in English are the real Holy Bible in English, since only one can be the Holy Bible for each language?

        Does that spirit support seeker sensitive evangelism or preaching the Gospel?

        What does that spirit say about this verse?

        Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

      5. See , after you rejected the Holy Bible then said ” I have a relationship with “my God”

        that’ the issue, the whole “my God” part of your statement is what people always say when rejecting stuff like repentance and hell etc they will say well “my God” would not send people to hell blah “my God” is this or that it just always seems the God they are referring to as “my God” is not The true living God of scripture and that is what your situation sounds like , a “God” that you call “my God” that only exists in your own head. It’s idolatry, don’t like the truth so you made up your own

      6. Is it hard for children to enter the kingdom of God or is it hard for them that trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God?

        All of those “bibles” have poison mixed in that verse except for the Holy Bible, the one set apart

        ◄ Mark 10:24 ►

        Parallel Verses

        New International Version
        The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

        New Living Translation
        This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God.

        English Standard Version
        And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God!

        New American Standard Bible
        The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

        King James Bible
        And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

        Do you see it yet?
        http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

  11. For what it’s worth, the most fearful people I have ever known in my life are members in good standing at the local us-four-no-more independent fundamental KJVO baptist church. According to Rev 21:8, they are all going to hell. These people are scared silly that God isn’t really capable of holding them secure in His hands, and that they must make God continue to love them by keeping an endless list of man-made rules. Part of their silliness is insisting on the KJV as the ONLY valid English translation. Even worse, I know a man here in Germany who insists that Germans don’t have the full Bible, because they aren’t reading the KJV when they read their German Bible. This is outright foolishness! Stupidity! Heresy.

    We have heard all the arguments made by the KJVO kooks. The arguments might be internally consistent (MAYBE), but that is immaterial, if the premises are a lie from the pit of hell (which they are).

    Very few of us reject the Bible. I like to use several translations in order to gain a full understanding of a passage. See, living in Germany and traveling around a decent portion of the world, I have learned that there is NO single “perfect” translation from one language to another. There are multiple ways to communicate a thought, each equally accurate, and each helping to increase the understanding of the hearer. And let us forsake this foolishness that the KJV is the only perfect translation. It has been revised over 6000 times. The most famous of these revisions is the “Wicked Bible” of 1631, in which the printers omitted “not” from Exodus 20:14. Errors like that creep into every printing, every translation. They are hunted down and rooted out, but let’s not pretend that they never happen, and that the translators of the KJV got everything exactly right, even for the readers of THEIR day, much less for the readers of today.

    Let us, instead, worship the God of the Bible, rather than a translation of the Bible. Let us also take comfort that all the “disagreements” between various translations would fit on one 8.5″ x 11″ sheet of paper, that none of these “disagreements” obviate even ONE doctrine, and that, therefore, we can have full confidence in each of AT LEAST the KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, and NASV, and that other translations (more properly called “paraphrases”) can aid our understanding as well.

    Otherwise, we are forced to declare that the Bible didn’t exist until 1611. And that would be absurd. Almost as absurd as the KJVO position.

    1. I don’t need the German Holy Bible, I need the English Holy Bible
      God gave us a whole book of scripture not just John 3:16 or not just a paragraph or two. getting Saved is not the end that is the beginning being born again, after that we need the Holy Bible to know how to live the born again life

      When you have an attitude of the bible doesn’t matter it can’t say or mean anything that’s where you get a Rick warren or a Joel Osteen that’s where you get people that ignore scripture like this:

      Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

      Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

      Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

  12. You keep saying that there can be only one Bible in each language.

    You don’t speak any language but English, do you?

    Because if you knew other languages, you wouldn’t say such ridiculous things.

    MANY sentences in every language can be accurately translated in multiple ways. In fact, you could present me with just about any sentence in English, and I could give it back to you in multiple English versions that would each communicate precisely what you said to me in the first place.

    If you cannot comprehend such a simple and obviously true statement, then I have a suggestion for you:

    Please stop wasting everybody’s time.

    1. Words can be translated different ways, based on the context so you need to know which English translation is the authoritative translation that has the correct words that God wanted the translation to be.

      Yes there can be only Holy Bible in each language and in the English language (I read English_) I don’t need the Spanish Holy Bible I need the English Holy Bible and in 200+ English “versions” that print “holy bible” on the cover I need the one that is the real Holy Bible in English so which one is it if not the King James Bible
      Just ask the question http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

      just going go to

      http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm

      you get the answer real quick

      Without that Holy Bible Neither me nor you would know who the father the Word nor the Holy Ghost was or is

      So, which one of these is the Holy Bible?

      ◄ 1 John 5:7 ►
      Parallel Verses

      New International Version
      For there are three that testify:

      New Living Translation
      So we have these three witnesses–

      English Standard Version
      For there are three that testify:

      New American Standard Bible
      For there are three that testify:

      King James Bible
      For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

      Holman Christian Standard Bible
      For there are three that testify:

      International Standard Version
      For there are three witnesses —

      ————————————————————————–
      If you insist that the King James Bible is not the Holy Bible in English and yet you can’t tell me which one of the 200+ other English “versions” are the Holy Bible and you are saying the Holy Bible doesn’t exist, then that makes God a liar and if God is a liar then we should all go join atheist.org.

      If young earth creationism isn’t true and the universe is billions of years old and there was millions of years of death on earth before eden, before sin, then sin didn’t cause death and if sin didn’t cause death then the Gospel makes no sense.

      If God promised to preserve his words and yet after the original manuscripts deteriorated God didn’t bother to preserve the words then he lied, either God told the truth and we have his words preserved perfectly or we don’t have them. If you say we don’t have them and God lied then we might as well all go join atheist.org

    2. I did not say there can be only one “bible” in each language. I said there can be only one HOLY BIBLE in each language. There are 200+ bibles in English and many if not most will print “holy bible” on their cover yet, they don’t agree with each other and contradict each other so they cannot all be “The Holy Bible” in English. How many German bibles are there? Which one of them is the “Holy Bible” in German

      How many Spanish bibles are there?
      Which one of them is the “Holy Bible” in Spanish?

      I don’t read German or Spanish, I read English, and not so great at that yet out of the 200+ bibles in English, the “Holy Bible” in English is the King James Bible, If you claim that it isn’t then tell me which one is the Holy Bible in English so I can get one. If you deny the King James Bible is the Holy Bible in English yet can’t tell me which other one is the Holy Bible in English, then why shall I believe you? If Jesus came and preached at some English church gathering Which Bible would Jesus use? He would speak English to English people or we would hear him in English just like the guys from Acts 2
      http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

      1. there can be only Holy Bible in each language and in the English language (I read English_) I don’t need the Spanish Holy Bible I need the English Holy Bible and in 200+ English “versions” that print “holy bible” on the cover I need the one that is the real Holy Bible in English so which one is it if not the King James Bible
        Just ask the question http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

        just going go to

        http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm

        you get the answer real quick

        Without that Holy Bible Neither me nor you would know who the father the Word nor the Holy Ghost was or is

        So, which one of these is the Holy Bible?

        ◄ 1 John 5:7 ►
        Parallel Verses

        New International Version
        For there are three that testify:

        New Living Translation
        So we have these three witnesses–

        English Standard Version
        For there are three that testify:

        New American Standard Bible
        For there are three that testify:

        King James Bible
        For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        For there are three that testify:

        International Standard Version
        For there are three witnesses —

        ————————————————————————–
        If you insist that the King James Bible is not the Holy Bible in English and yet you can’t tell me which one of the 200+ other English “versions” are the Holy Bible and you are saying the Holy Bible doesn’t exist, then that makes God a liar and if God is a liar then we should all go join atheist.org.

        If young earth creationism isn’t true and the universe is billions of years old and there was millions of years of death on earth before eden, before sin, then sin didn’t cause death and if sin didn’t cause death then the Gospel makes no sense.

        If God promised to preserve his words and yet after the original manuscripts deteriorated God didn’t bother to preserve the words then he lied, either God told the truth and we have his words preserved perfectly or we don’t have them. If you say we don’t have them and God lied then we might as well all go join atheist.org

    1. there can be only Holy Bible in each language and in the English language (I read English_) I don’t need the Spanish Holy Bible I need the English Holy Bible and in 200+ English “versions” that print “holy bible” on the cover I need the one that is the real Holy Bible in English so which one is it if not the King James Bible
      Just ask the question http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

      just going go to

      http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm

      you get the answer real quick

      Without that Holy Bible Neither me nor you would know who the father the Word nor the Holy Ghost was or is

      So, which one of these is the Holy Bible?

      ◄ 1 John 5:7 ►
      Parallel Verses

      New International Version
      For there are three that testify:

      New Living Translation
      So we have these three witnesses–

      English Standard Version
      For there are three that testify:

      New American Standard Bible
      For there are three that testify:

      King James Bible
      For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

      Holman Christian Standard Bible
      For there are three that testify:

      International Standard Version
      For there are three witnesses —

      ————————————————————————–
      If you insist that the King James Bible is not the Holy Bible in English and yet you can’t tell me which one of the 200+ other English “versions” are the Holy Bible and you are saying the Holy Bible doesn’t exist, then that makes God a liar and if God is a liar then we should all go join atheist.org.

      If young earth creationism isn’t true and the universe is billions of years old and there was millions of years of death on earth before eden, before sin, then sin didn’t cause death and if sin didn’t cause death then the Gospel makes no sense.

      If God promised to preserve his words and yet after the original manuscripts deteriorated God didn’t bother to preserve the words then he lied, either God told the truth and we have his words preserved perfectly or we don’t have them. If you say we don’t have them and God lied then we might as well all go join atheist.org

        1. So your answer to the question of which of the 200+ “versions” of the bible in English that have “holy bible” printed on the cover is actually the real HOLY BIBLE in English is to post a youtube video of an old dead comedian.

          If the King James Bible is not the Holy Bible in English, which one is?

          If you don’t know, just say you don’t know yet if you can’t tell me which English bible is the Holy Bible instead of the King James Bible, then you can’t tell me it’s not The King James Bible.

          If Jesus came to preach at an English church gathering
          Which Bible would Jesus use?

          http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

        2. How about all of them produced by well-meaning Christians?
          I stand with the King James translators, who stated in their preface titled “Translators to the Reader” that “Nay, we affirm and avow that the meanest translation of the Bible in English is the word of God.” .
          If you bother to read the notes the translators wrote, which for some reason are no longer placed into the front of newer editions, you will find that they knew their work would be improved on, and that they believed no single translation is perfect. That is why they placed notes in the margins in some places. They weren’t absolutely certain of the proper word, and wanted to give the reader the other viable option.
          Also, if the translators work was perfectly done, why have there been four major and many minor revisions?

          You would do well to study the history of the Scripture translation from original autographs through the manuscripts up to current versions. From a true historical perspective, not a biblio-idolatrous one.

        3. The translators to readers preface is in the 1611 reprint I have and is in the 2014 Holy Bible I bought from Local Church Bible publishers. http://localchurchbiblepublishers.com/

          I don’t believe that the KJB translators knew that they were translating the perfect Holy Bible in English, I don’t believe that Paul knew at the time that we would be reading letters he wrote to Timothy 2000 years later either, I don’t believe that God let them be aware because it would puff men up with pride.

          I don’t look at spelling changes and printing press errors as errors with the text, I believe God allows those kinds of issues so that no one is compelled, you still have to have faith, he gives enough evidence for those who’s free will is to believe while leaving options open for people to not have faith and deny it

          Textual critics approach scripture preservation as if they are atheists and it was totally up to man to preserve the words yet I have faith that God himself preserved his words, he didn’t preserve old paper first drafts, he preserved the words, he used men in the process yet God made sure we have his words today.

          People want evidence for every single thing yet then you won’t have need of any faith, there is enough evidence to believe, yet not so much to force anybody to believe.

          With atheists, God could have put a flaming sword up in the sky where everytime anybody looked up they saw a flaming sword saying believe or else, that would compel people, there would be no atheists yet also no free will to reject either.

          I believe that God preserved his words from the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, that don’t exist the original autographs translated into English the language God created to share the Gospel in the last days preserved in the King James Bible. I don’t believe the King James translators were made aware of that yet the unique readings of the King James Bible that people bash, I believe match up with the original manuscripts that neither Bart Ehrman or Daniel Wallace have ever seen.

          I believe that on faith just like I believe a serpent talked a jackass talked a man rose from the dead on faith.

          If you are saying that we can’t even have faith that the bible in our hand is the Holy Bible that God has used the same brand KJB for 400 years, if we can’t have faith in that then how in the world are we expected to have faith that the man written about in that Holy Bible actually rose from the dead like it is written.

          http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

          Don’t trust the bible in your hand but trust in Jesus? Next step after that is http://www.atheist.org

        4. If you were dying of thirst and I set out 200 bottles of water and told you that one of them is pure and the other 199 have varying amounts of poison in them, the logical question to ask would be which bottle of water is the one without the poison in it.

          The answer would either be this one is the one without the poison or I don’t know which one is the pure one or no don’t they all have poison in them.

          So which bible in English is the bible without poison in it?

          You said I’m worshipping a book yet without the right book none of us know who the right God to worship is and how we are to worship him?

          You are not learning the Gospel of Jesus by reading Josephus or tacitus whoever, you need the Holy Bible pure without poison, once you get the Gospel and become born again you need the right bible to show you how to live.

          When you depart the Holy Bible you start treating the Gospel as if it is a joke and when someone asks you which bible is the Holy Bible you post youtube videos of old dead comedians calling people idiots.

          If you don’t know which bible is the true Holy Bible in English just say so yet either we have a Holy Bible that we can hold in our hands and base our faith on the words within or we might as well be agnostics or atheist.org members

          The only Christians that actually believe the bible in their hands is true are King James Bible believers, everybody else claims some original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that don’t exist are the bible they believe, which isn’t it convenient to profess to believe that the only inerrant infallible bible that you base your faith in , does not even exist and you have never even read it?

          Is it hard for children to enter the kingdom of God or is it hard for them that trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God?

          All of those “bibles” have poison mixed in that verse except for the Holy Bible, the one set apart

          ◄ Mark 10:24 ►

          Parallel Verses

          New International Version
          The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

          New Living Translation
          This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God.

          English Standard Version
          And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God!

          New American Standard Bible
          The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

          King James Bible
          And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

      1. Brian,

        You are a fool and an idiot. All you do is parrot the same garbage over and over again. You put words in my mouth that I never said, and that I don’t believe.

        Good riddance to bad rubbish.

        1. Which bible is the Holy Bible in English?

          Which bible is the Holy Bible in German?

          Which is the Holy Bible in Spanish?

          You can have 200 or 500 different bible “versions” and they might all even have “Holy Bible” written on the cover yet they can’t all be the Holy Bible , I read English so I need to know which bible of the 200+ English versions is the HOLY BIBLE in English

          If you claim it is not the King James Bible
          Tell me which one it is so I can get one in my hands to read

          If Jesus cam and preached to an English church, which bible would be the Holy Bible he would use?
          http://whichbiblewouldjesususe.com/

        2. Hey genius. Jesus already came and He didn’t need a KJV Bible then to preach the Gospel, what makes you think He would need one now?

        3. Neither. One worships self, one worships a book.
          Neither has a clue as to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  13. Wow! Bibliolatry is strong in this one.

    He serves such a puny god as well. One that only dwells in the King James translation it would seem. Of course it is obvious to even the most casual observer reading through this thread that the puny god’s disciple worships the King James Translation above the one it is written about. In fact, if one didn’t know better it would appear that this idolator has made the KJV the fourth member of his god’s trinity.

    Just how small is your god Brian because you are not preaching the Lord God Jehovah, Sovereign Creator God of all creation. You have yet to point anyone to Jesus Christ and the Gospel. You have rode in here with your favorite proof texts and parroted a butt load of Riplinger/Gipp/Ruckman false arguments crap.

    Your idolatry speaks louder than all your voluminous ranting ever could. You have my pity and I pray that one day you will break free of your self imposed prison of lies and distortions regarding the KJVO position. *sigh* but only God can open your eyes to that… may he have mercy on you and open your blinded eyes.

    /troll nourisment

    1. “…but only God can open your eyes to that… may he have mercy on you and open your blinded eyes. ”

      ^THIS^

  14. May I say this. I have seen much from this site blasting “fundies”. As you say we are so incapable of where are the posts about the God of Heaven. Should we not use every opportunity, every outlet to preach the Gospel Jesus himself came to preach. Instead of spending so much time cutting down the brethren or non-brethren-whatever you think they may be….build up Christ.

    That being said, I am an Old-Time, Independent, Fundamental, King James Only, Big-B Baptist.

    This criticism that we are all hateful, all WRONG! should be stopped. Granted, I realize that there are some who have not rightly divided the Word. And others who have may have had the wrong spirit. But I know far more, thousands even of fundamentalists who love God and sinners far more than their opinions.

    In the arguments of Bible versions:
    Is it that hard to believe that Satan, the Prince of Darkness, the Father of Lies, the Author of Confusion would not want to do just that-confuse people? If people are going to believe the Bible, why not make it difficult to find the True Word of God? I have studied the history of The King James Bible, and the history of the modern versions, it is shocking. But God’s timing as always was perfect. (1611 KJV was printed. 1620 pilgrims come to the new world) Besides me using God’s Word to prove it (He doesn’t need me to anyway) there are some astounding historical facts to back up the King James.

    The argument of fundamentalists holding to “standards” more than Bible doctrine:
    This is one I was not shocked to see. Many do not agree with the stand the IFB takes. But God’s Word does say, “Be not conformed to this world”. There is no way around that verse. You claim to still be Christ-focused? How bout the verse that says, “Giving none offence that the ministry be not blamed”. We separate from the world so we can better point others to Christ. We as Christians are likened to lights. If we are dimmed for being covered in sin or just the mire of this world how can others see Jesus in us.
    At the same time however, to be separated from the world does not mean we do not go into it. I attend a bus running church. Weekly, we go bring people to church that otherwise would spend a week godless and without hope and someone who loves them. I love all my bus riders, and I do not refuse a one for their home-life, body-odor, or dressing habits. And nine times of ten, they won’t ever hear anything like that mentioned. They are told of the One Who loves them unconditionally.
    Most will come to church for years and only hear the doctrines of faith emphasized. But we do not compromise it is our job to give the whole counsel. For that our church has grown and still for more than 30 years. We are as old-fashioned as ever and I would put the spiritual strength of our church up against most. And we have a teen group that travels the countryside proclaiming Christ’s name.

    Not trying to troll, but I came across the page and saw the rather lengthy discussion. We are constantly being called legalists and “judgers”. But that is all the page is doing. You just live and judge by a different standard. Your own.
    What a blessing it would be to see this page turned around to point others to Christ instead of pointing out flaws in what everyone already knew was a flawed world.

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