FWOTW: theoldpathsbaptist.com
This weeks pick is oldpathsbaptist.com home of “INDEPENDENT, UNAFFILIATED, UNREGISTERED, KING JAMES BIBLE PREACHING, SINNER LOVING, SIN HATING, SAINT EXHORTING, SAVIOUR EXALTING, SOLD OUT, SEPARATED, SET APART, IN LOVE WITH JESUS, GOD CALLED, CHURCH SENT, CHURCH PLANTING, BAPTIST[S]”
I have to wonder who first came up with the “JerUSAlem” thing as a clever title for home missions. I really wish they hadn’t.
Be sure to check out the missions video presentation, blog, and collection of music recordings.
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He’s gain a lot of weight since they got married. She must be a cook cook, amen?
Yeah, I hate it when that happens. Every single time.
Being able to support them through the convenient Paypal button is a new one for me. Faith Promise has made it to the 21st century.
http://www.theoldpathsbaptist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=61
a fundamentalist with a mac is dangerous
he’s full of himself
as they usually tend to be.
at least they sanitize input
I find it incredibly amusing that all the preachers he has on the side of his blog – Spurgeon, Edwards, Whitefield, & Bunyan – are all Calvinists. Wonder if he realizes this?
Check out the pictures from his sending church. Looks a little pentacostalish to me…
http://www.theheritagebc.com/photos.html
Definitely not Pentacostal. They’re raising their hands, sure but they’re doing it the right way.
“a fundamentalist with a mac is dangerous” — harharhar*snort*:)
Jocelyn you crack me up! I wish I had the conviction of faith that some of these idiots have. How nice it wouldbe to go through life knowing you are right about everything. The background music is a little up-tempo for and IFB’er dontchya think?
“We are to come out from among the world and be separate from all neo-evangelicalism and ecumenicalism and to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them.”
:eyeroll:
Woah…. hold on a second…. was that Larnelle Harris, Steve Green, Mark Lowry, and Michael English, etc. that I heard on his blog? I thought that the Gaither Homecoming was taboo, what with all those drums and percussion (and vocal showing-off) and all.
also the long hair.
After hearing the music section, had to turn on some NightWish.
I voted in the “how many chapters are in the KJV” poll, but it doesn’t tell me which answer is right? I hope i got it wrong…
This site is too much fun! Love all of the comments , so far. I checked on the wedding video, what was with that hat!? Whoa. The music is way too much. Amen, Emily.
I suspect that only someone who adores the USA would pay attention to this guy long enough to hear his presentation of the gospel. If he is so “SINNER LOVING, … SAVIOUR EXALTING, SOLD OUT, SEPARATED, SET APART, IN LOVE WITH JESUS”, why is he so focused on exhalting the USA?
Also, why is “SOLD OUT” in there at all? It’s not like a concert where you charge admission and could, “sell out”. This guy’s meaning seems like the “sold-your-soul” kind of thing. Also, so much American patriotism it’s kind of scary. Darrell, you’re right, the “JerUSAlem” slogan is unfortunate…
Wow, and I just noticed…they totally have a “death counter” on the site. Great way to think about things…all the people who are dying as we read their website…yay!!
@Reformed
This does seem to induce some cognitive dissonance. In fundy terms, one could say that it has some musical dissonance as well…
@Charlene
It’s good to see that I’m not the only one with that sort of taste. Now, if only there were a Christian version of Nightwish…
@JimE
Because the USA was founded by fundamentalist Baptists, of course!
Let me once more point out the irony and total ignorance of claiming to be old-fashioned and follow the “old paths,” while completely ignoring 2,000 years of church history. I’m sorry, but doing what was done in suburban 1950′s America is NOT following the “old paths.” If you want to see someone doing that, visit your local Lutheran, Presbyterian, Catholic, or Orthodox church.
I just shot him this email:
Hello! I just got a brief second to look at your website, and I was wondering if you were Reformed, or a Calvinist? I saw the links to items by Spurgeon, Whitefield, Edwards, & Bunyan and thought you might be. Thanks for your time.
I somehow think I know the answer…
@ Emily: Was it really necessary for you, IMO, to (in a round about way) insult this man for his weight gain? Was that your intention? If so, is this really a kind thing to do?
yeah the KJV verses poll… haha why would that be something that’s “pollable”
@Amanda- thanks for the shout-out to the Orthodox Church… I always get excited when I find out that people are aware that She exists.
Any relation to Russian Orthodox? Plenty of those here in Alaska.
@charlene- that’s correct. there’s several different groups- Russian, Greek, Antiochian, Serbian, &c. They’re just different seasonings on the same dish.
@DJ “in a round about way”
ROFL.
Well, I got my reply, and I have to admit I was impressed by his (humble) answer. Let’s remember this man is our brother in Christ, no?
My B.S. meter just red-lined.
I’m so glad to learn that God started the local New Testament Baptist church with a Baptist heritage . . . who knew?
@Reader Mo, I’m Presby (for now, though who knows where I’ll end up!), though with a very strong appreciation for other liturgical traditions. I’ve known a few Greek Orthodox in my day and I seem to remember being in an Orthodox church once for something. Where I grew up Orthodox churches, while not on every corner, were not very unusual, either.
@Walter, what did you think John the *Baptist* was?
Of course, we all know about the unbroken line of Baptist churches going all the way back to the first century, too.
OK, now I’ve seen and heard enough. I live in SD. I’m so tired of these fundy church planters coming to my state to do what? To start an IFB church in Rapid City? Does this guy know how many fundy (KJV) churches there are already in Rapid? No, these guys come here (usually from the South), take some pictures of Mt. Rushmore and some bison and say it’s such a needy area. So they go to the biggest cities out here (less than a half-dozen with a population over 20,000 in SD) and steal fish from another church. What cracks me up, is that they need “support” to start a church. Why not look in the Rapid City Journal – plenty of jobs there! (We have the lowest unemployment up here in the Dakotas). No, it’s more like I’m too fat and lazy to work and I’ll get my money from the “Baptist Welfare Program” (ie. missions). There’s one guy in Watertown, SD that came up from TN to “start” a church up here. He took people from an already existing church and had a merger (www.harvestbaptistwtn.com). Do me and all my neighbors a favor. If you are coming to start a church, think twice about it. If you are fat, lazy, and only coming here to steal sheep – stay away! We have enough of those kind up here.
Oops! Try this link too. http://www.greatplainsproject.com/index.html
@ Darrell – why is your BS monitor red-lining? Because of an apparently humble answer he gave to me (I baited the hook and he didn’t bite…)? Or because I said we should remember that he’s a brother in Christ too?
Good news! This evangelist preacher is also a website designer! Gotta give him a call…
@DJ Cimino: The sum total of what you have written and the way you have written it makes me wonder about your veracity. Call it a gut feeling.
Have you not read Piper’s stuff on why he doesn’t attack/mock fundies? If you haven’t, than you should. Maybe I lean more towards that than highlighting and making fun of specific fundies (such as the man in this website). And yes, I know you didn’t “make fun of him directly”. It’s the whole idea of highlighting a particular individual for the fun of everyone else…
I enjoy some of the stuff you have on here. The uber devotions post was hilarious. But the first time I ever came on your blog I expressed my concerns. I’ll continue to read and enjoy some of the stuff you put out. Most of it’s good, and funny to boot. I despise kjonlyism with a passion. I hate legalism and the bondage that I experienced for most of my life. But, for the most part, fundies are our brother’s and sisters in Christ and we best not forget that.
And BTW, since my “veracity” (read: character) has been questioned, I have included a link to my blog – not to “pimp” it, but to show I’m not some sort of undercover fundie, and hopefully relieve your concerns on whatever you think I was being untrue about… methinks your gut-feeling was off some.
@Amanda:
You’re right, Amanda; how could I have forgotten John the Baptist? And he was independent, unaffiliated, unregistered, sold out, separated, and set apart. I’ve got a feeling he might have had a KJV in a pocket of those animal skins too.
Honestly, can somebody explain the “sold out” thing to me? I don’t remember hearing that phrase growing up IFB, but maybe I just forgot? Does it mean something other than actually “selling out”? Why do you think he included it in his list?
I heard this a lot growing up. It means he is 100% “for” God. When something at your local store is sold out, its completely gone. Therefore, he is “sold out” in regards to the world, flesh, etc. and is 100% sold out “to” God. Unfortunately, Romans 7 paints a different picture…
@ DJ Cimino:
I would be interested in reading (at least an excerpt) from our brother’s reply, if you don’t mind posting it.
Does anyone else have a pronounced southern twang in their mind while reading this site? Keep in mind, I am in the Northeast.
@DJ Cimino:
I am tired of hearing “fundies are our brother’s and sisters in Christ and we best not forget that.” — First this is a blanket statement that is untrue — not all fundies are Christians, just like not all Lutherans, Catholics, etc. etc.. Second if you haven’t noticed these people are dangerous and hurt many, many families and people with their cultish organizations.
Have you ever personally been hurt, shunned, etc. by them?
Why are you on here attempting to “right” wrongs, when this site is simply making fun of absurdity with absurdity? Lies and deception thrive in an environment of ignorance and denial, humor = a great method of exposing the truth.
Gluttony is a sin by the way, Emily is simply pointing out how self-righteous he is while obviously living in sin by being an obese man.
@ Matt – correction: I said “he was our brother in Christ” and by all accounts he appears to be. I also said “But, for the most part, fundies are our brother’s and sisters in Christ and we best not forget that.”
And yes, I have been hurt by them. But, are we not called to forgive? Are we more deserving of God’s grace than them? I’m all for making fun of the culture of fundamentalism. But I think you will be hard pressed to justify making fun of individuals…
Bob – I don’t really want to post his email to on here. He was kind and didn’t attack in anyway.
“We believe in all sound doctrine that should be clear to any born again bible believer”
From the statement of faith section of the site. Eessentially if you are a believer you WILL believe everything we do.
Man I just didn’t realize how simple life really is until I met the Fundies, all this time I thought it was about JESUS.
oops – I just read the name “reformed fundy” and thought it was Bob Hayton. Sorry if that’s not you Bob.
Oh, and Matt, I also forgot to highlight that I said “for the most part” in my quote. That sorta diminishes your argument.
@ DJ Comino:
You are right. I have/need to forgive them because HE FORGAVE me. Ultimately this is easier said ……… especially when it is fresh in your mind/life.
I wonder though when does forgiveness turn into apathy: is it OK to forgive an IFB church that allowed a deacon to remain a member after he RAPED a 14 yr old girl, yet the girl is sent away to be “punished”. Or should you pursue true justice in this case? I wonder how you would answer if it was your daughter?
I think the forgiveness answer is kind of like the “your just bitter” answer that you are labeled with when you leave an IFB church— they both ignore reality and don’t address how to deal with real issues.
Jesus is God, most churches are frauds!
The Bible is supposed to be a sword that precisely pierces the soul, not a club to bludgeon and destroy.
Yes, gluttony is a sin no one is arguing that, but he very well could have a medical issue that makes him gain weight i.e. medicine, thyroid, injuries that prevent him from exercising etc… Now we all agree that they make jokes about eating too much but it’s really not right to make fun of anyone regardless of whether they are sinning or not. I’ve seen it a lot lately on here and I don’t really care for it. They are people created in God’s image just like we are and we should be respectful simply for that fact. I’m all for attacking ideas, not people and there is a big difference between those 2 things.
Sorry! My comment came a little after the fact. I had to go rescue my television from my 2 year old and a black crayon.
Matt – OF COURSE this is something where justice should be pursued!!!(!!!)
But does this typify most fundies? Do most fundie’s rape kids and teens? I know the report that the Chicago news did on Hyles and his cronies. Pretty convincing. But, I don’t think this is typical. I was in IFBx for 30 years and still know a lot of folks in IFBx and I don’t this you can label the whole movement with examples peppered here and there. Of course there are plenty of examples of things like this in ANY denomination/movement your involved in. This is because we are still in a cursed fallen world.
Back to you forgiving – I can tell you that if you never forgive people for what they do, your life will be that much more miserable than it probably already is having walked through such a horrific event. I am so sorry you had to go through this.
PS – at the same time, I would totally understand if it took years to forgive… That is a terrible thing. And if the church swept it under the rug they should be exposed. No doubt. But, bitterness is a cancer and it eats and spreads…
@ DJ Cimino,
No it’s not Bob, and I understand your reasons for not wanting to post. Blessings!
I tell you what I’m sick of. . . . I’m sick of people citing Piper’s personal statement like a gag to shut the rest of us up. Yeah, yeah . . . I know his history. Heck — I’ve read his dad’s letters to Bob Jones Sr. I know Bill Piper moved from Cleveland, TN to Greenville to follow BJC/BJU so that the Piper kids could go to BJU. I know that Piper invested and nearly lost his shirt after he bought property around the BJU campus. I know that he raised the funds for the A/C in Rhodeheaver. I know that he was the Alumni Association prez twice. I know that he was on the BJU Board.
And I also know that he left after Gilbert Stenholm called him a “hypocrite” for objecting to the way Bob Sr. was having a tantrum over Billy Graham’s integration of his crusades.
Piper can do what Piper wants. That’s fine. But he’s throwing them a bone, in a sense. Doesn’t mean that the rest of us have to. It’s like saying to Luther, “Hey — Melancthon is being so nice to the Catholic. Why can’t you?”
Oy vey.
@ Camille – Can you show where Piper’s thoughts on the matter are unscriptural or not helpful? Does your attitude towards interacting with IFB build others up? Do you give grace to those who hear you when you speak of IFB?
People here are bitter. And there may be good reasons why you are. But I don’t buy the “we’re just fighting against the kooky, radical elements in IFB” line. IMHO, I don’t see concern for truth so much as I see people on the other side of the room picking up the rocks tossed at them and just throwing them back.
Right after I came to believe in the doctrines of grace I started listening to the White Horse Inn. I asked my new pastor at the time if he listened to them and he said he used to. Then he said the following, “you can only be reactionary for so long”…
And there we go. Finally the veneer of niceness wears through and we see the same old thought-stopping rhetoric that we’ve heard again and again.
And again I never cease to be amazed that some people believe that the real problem is those who dare to point out that there are, in fact, problems. Fundamentalism is not just a collection of well-meaning harmless kooks. There are some of those to be sure, but as I’ve demonstrated again and again you don’t have to very far from the ‘sane’ fundamentalists to find a dangerous and despicable element being tolerated and even embraced.
If my brother in Christ is attempting breaks into my house and attempts to hurt my family, I’ll stop him by any means necessary. By the same token if my brother in Christ is spiritually raping and pillaging Christ’s church then I think that a few unkind words are a very light punishment indeed.
Jeez. This place useta be fun. I’m gonna go read some Chesterton.
Good reply, though, Darrell. We posted simultaneously, so take my comment as applying to the preceding argument.
Sorry, Jordan. I’ll do my best to get us back to talking about FUNdamentalism.
Yeah that. What Darrell and Jordan said.
Carry on, gentlemen. You do it so well. ::thumbs up::
And I apologize if I brought the mood down. I really admire Piper, and I frankly admire him a lot more since i I read his dad’s letters. They were so touching — honest. And I’m still processing them all. I mean, I knew John was from my neck in the woods, but I had no idea what his dad had endured.
I get a tremendous amount of encouragement from seeing John as more recovered than his dad. And I hope that much for my sons.
That’s why I share such things. Because God’s bigger than squabbles. And because I think He’s giggling at all this stuff too. Just like we are.
Just wanted to pipe in here and say that I can vouch for DJ’s veracity. He is an old friend that has come out of much the same backgrounds as many of us. I think he does have a point – while it is certainly not wrong to point out the foibles and idiosyncracies of Fundies, we should be careful that we do not do so out of a spirit of bitterness or unkindness. Not saying that SFL does that, but the warning is still valid, nonetheless.
@DJ Cimino:
IMNSHO u are a full blown IFB’er still.
“People here are bitter” – Who are you building up with that statement?
Regarding your previous post directed at me you said, “your life will be that much more miserable than it probably already is …”. I appreciate your sympathy for a bitter man like myself
, but my life is not miserable at all. My wife and I have a great relationship, not perfect like most IFB couples pretend to have – I digress, we have four beautiful kids. Typical IFBism to hear a horrible story and just start judging right down to the “fact” that my life is miserable. Motives my friend are God’s responsibility, not mans.
“I don’t this [think] you can label the whole movement with examples peppered here and there” —-when you have a plethora of examples, they become the norm, not the exception.
“IMHO, I don’t see concern for truth so much as I see people on the other side of the room picking up the rocks tossed at them and just throwing them back. ”
— This is a humorous website, not a church service. I know that it is hard for you to discern the fact that people can laugh without bitterness, I have to say — I didn’t CAUSE IFBer’s problems, I cannot CONTROL them, and I certainly cannot CURE them.
DJ Cimono, read Timothy Keller’s ‘Reason For God’ (pp 176-178), it’s all about Jesus Christ, the IFB has forgotten that.
Sorry Darrell I love this site and will cease to argue.
Keep it up! You are an articulate and hilarious person. You need to put this stuff in book form!!
So true! Must do! MUST BUY!!
People here are bitter. I didn’t think I was letting the niceness wear off. I thought I was just stating the obvious. I’ll shut up and let things get back to normal. But I do find it very revealing how peeved some people get when someone tries to raise some concerns.
@DJ Cimino
I don’t think anybody is getting peeved. The problem is that the “bitter” trump card has been tried so many times, we’re a bit surprised someone would try and use that again, especially here. It’s been debunked many times, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren’t aware. Maybe these will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_motive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_words
For the record, my comment was based on what I heard from preachers growing up. They’d make a joke about someone’s weight-gain and say it was because his wife must be a good cook. That’s all.
Will you all please join me in a rousing rendition of “Kumbayah”!
Hey, isn’t Kumbayah some sort of African devil chant? No way I’m singing that!!
as a robust gentleman with a vast waistband, i have fat joke immunity. if you yourself are not morbidly obese, you can’t understand what my people have been through. fat, by the way, is OUR word. we can call each other fat, but you may not call us fat. See you at the i.f.buffet.
“Don’t you call me pudgy, portly or stout
Just now tell me once again who’s fat”
I sent him an email saying, “You know Charles H. Spurgeon smoked, right? You should not support preachers like that. He did not use the King James either.”
His response a few hours later, “No I didn’t know that, but thank you so much for the update!!!”
LOLOL!
Mind you, if Spurgeon was here today, he would probably use ESV (hehe), but are you sure he didn’t mostly use KJV? I thought I remember from my IFB days hearing Ruckman use a quote of Spurgeon using the “majestic Authorized Version” etc…
Big test – either he pulls down the Spurgeon references/pictures, or he defiles his own conscience.
Richard Sullivan nailed it!
This guy and all those like him are primarially focused on exporting IFB into areas that don’t have that particular brand of disease yet. And they do it thru the Missions welfare organizations like he said.
Amanda nailed the “Old Paths” crap as well. I am nauseated over the IFB’s super sanctimonious use of “Old Paths.” If they want to return to the 50′s ok, but don’t do it with a pious, whitewashed, misuse of scripture! grrrr
Darrell,
I would like to have laughed at this one but it hits too close to the crap I came out of and it still galls me that I gave money to support the IFB export industry, sending ignorant and unlearded men to gather followers (of the same ilk) and promote a cult in towns and cities that didn’t have the particular brand of disease until the IFB shows up with their, “INDEPENDENT, UNAFFILIATED, UNREGISTERED, KING JAMES BIBLE PREACHING, SINNER LOVING, SIN HATING, SAINT EXHORTING, SAVIOUR EXALTING, SOLD OUT, SEPARATED, SET APART, IN LOVE WITH JESUS, GOD CALLED, CHURCH SENT, CHURCH PLANTING, BAPTIST[S].”
The dude’s wife isn’t bad looking. I don’t see many good looking fundy gals.
Funny and all, but worth mentioning is that the music on their site is killer!
I don’t even like country and I despise fundamentalism as I was raised in it.
But I find it to be both tasteful and soothing. I may use it @ the “modern relevant” SBC church I work for