270 thoughts on “FWOTW: vbc1611.com”

  1. My sister-in-law goes to that church. I’m an independent baptist, but I would never go there.

    1. Yeah, I think I know as much as I need to about their hearts:

      “If you don’t agree, then shame on you!”

  2. Well, this kind-of says it all, doesn’t it? “Nothing is more important in a church than it’s DOCTRINE!” Don’t worry about feeding the poor, helping the widows, showing mercy to the helpless or clothing those who are naked. Let’s celebrate our doctrine!

  3. You literally have NO idea the depths of the racism, xenophobia, and general craziness of this pastor. I went there and was a lay minister a bit over a decade ago. Yes, some people put bullets in the “plate.” During revivals, they use a KFC bucket as an offering plate. He almost killed a puppy during a service one time. People about freaked out. I am not kidding you… A puppy was barking outside the church during the sermon and people were chuckling. Tony York became furious, pulled his gun, and went out the side door to go kill it until another man went out and sent him back in. When I eventually dealt with him personally about the horrible racism, I was called an “antichrist.” I left the next week.

    1. It took you a whole week to leave?

      Not that I am criticizing. I didn’t leave my abusive church situation for years.

      1. Well, I talked to him one Sunday about the racism issue. After the blow-up over it, I thought about it and went the back next Sunday again to “formally” leave. I wanted to give him and his father (the former pastor and founder) a summed up letter on the reasons in person and why he was wrong for his own accountability. If he was going to twist the reasons I was leaving, I wanted him to have to be a liar in order to do it. I also hoped it might have some impact on him. (It didn’t)

  4. … where I’ve heard the people sometimes tithe in bullets because they know how much their pastor loves to shoot.

    First Church of Zardoz?


    1. When I went there, on “Pastor Appreciation day” on year, the church have him a new shotgun. When he got it, he took some shells out of his suit pocket, popped them in the gun, walked out the side door and shot it up in the air. That’s why any time a person asks me about the church/pastor, I usually say, “You just have no idea…” 🙂

      1. He is crazy, for sure, but you have to admit, it was least boring service you’ve ever been in!

    2. I am Arthur Frayn…
      Zardoz, you know Wizard of Oz.

      So much cultural reference in the movie itself.

  5. Although I do not agree with this Church or their views, I believe we are all missing a far more important detail. We live in America where, for the time being, we have the freedom to believe how we want to believe. For the time being, We have the freedom of speech. I myself am a 68 year old Catholic man here in Indiana. I love America and our freedom. I served our country in the Army.
    I have heard of Pastor Tony and his Church. Our beliefs are on nearly opposite ends of the spectrum. As a devout Catholic I can not fellowship with him or his Church. As an American I must applaud him for standing up and speaking his beliefs. Obviously many here believe he is wrong or a lunatic and that is your right. We must be careful to not condemn this Church for their beliefs and rights while exercising our own. I must admit I found a few of the comments on grammar to be amusing, but who here is perfect? “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone” It is in my humble opinion, after 38 years of being a Catholic, that most former Church members are the worst people as far as gossip, lies and saying anything else that makes them look the part of righteousness and in the process making their former Church looked warped and false.
    Do not get me wrong I am not attacking anyone here but we must be careful. If and when the day comes that the law limits any Churches speech nearly all Churches will be doomed and “We the people” will be soon to follow.
    Is it not enough that we can choose to disagree with these types of Churches and turn away? Did God lead the former member here to sling mud? Did God lead us all here to make fun of grammar and confederate flags? I visited the website and while there are things I personally disagree with I have to say “So what!?” There was nothing on the website that looked hateful. I took a lot of the comments (the ugly kid, etc) in a light hearted manner. I believe they were having a little fun. I do not agree with many of their views such as the King James Bible being the only true word of God. But I applaud, again, the dedication they have. Think about it. When we all stand in judgment do you think God will punish them for the unpardonable sin of putting their faith in one Bible alone? I think not. And speaking of judgment day, we all will have to answer for our sins and our skeletons we keep hidden so well in our closets won’t we? I long for yet fear that day.

    We should all forge ahead. Move past with what we do not agree with and be at peace and be thankful that, as Americans, we have the right to speak, believe and disagree with other people who have those same rights. This is key for American brotherhood.

    Peace to all,
    Jeremy Stevenson

    1. Father Stevenson,

      With all due respect, I need to disagree with you.

      It is not enough that we respect people for what they believe. I wholeheartedly speak out against the ideals of who believe that certain classes of people deserve no rights. It is not for me to just let them alone, keep my own counsel quietly and let them keep yelling. The only thing required for evil to win is for good people to do nothing.

      Frankly, that is what you are proposing. Fundamentalism *is* an evil, and its practitioners are active in assailing the rights and dignity of others, assured that they alone are in God’s favor, they alone know the truth, and that God will put them on Thrones to rule over everyone else with an iron rod of intolerance. They can hardly wait!

      Frankly, I will not let the fear of days ahead limiting free speech limit my free speech now! No, if Free Speech is limited, it will be enacted by fundamentalists, not by liberals! I do not need to be careful. Their contempt for others is contemptible. Their desire to damn others is itself damnable.

      Yes, God will judge. I think He will judge our own silence in the face of grievous error — even those of us who were once part of that error.

      I have escaped from Fundamentalism. I will never go back. Nor will I tolerate what they continue to do without speaking against it.

    2. I wholeheartedly disagree on judging. If he feels the right to be called a Christian brother then he is open to the criticism coming to him if he teaches heresy or strays to own own doctrine.

  6. You say you live close to this “nutshack” as you call it. That doesn’t mean you have a right to talk bad about the Church. Have you ever stepped foot inside the doors and sat down for a service? No you have not! You people who bad mouth VBC are a bunch of sissy libs who hate God and Gods people! Oh yeah, also want to add… the Confederate Flag is AWESOME! No, I’m not a member of VBC. Member of a different King James Bible believing Church.

    1. I used to be good friends with Preacher Tony. What is important about his church and his ministry is the result of lost souls being won to Christ! Who cares about the crudeness displayed on his website if he is winning souls? Praise the Lord for His blessings despite our ignorance and faults!

      1. So, the “ends justify the means?” As long as people are apparently being “won to Jesus,” who cares what else goes on. That is an unwise viewpoint that will lead a person to letting lots of things slide that should be addressed due to pastor worship and thinking “soulwinning” is the most important thing going.

      2. Is he really winning lost souls to Christ? or to himself? Is he actually helping people become more like Jesus, or more like the crude person he is?

        Jesus told the Pharisees that all their evangelistic work accomplished was in creating converts who were seven-fold the sons of hell than they were. Something to think about.

      3. You mean you used to sleep with him while he was married. At least be honest.

    2. Actually, just as the church has the right to exist, people have the right to talk about it and its practices. Look! The First Amendment! We have freedom of speech! “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

      1. It is my experience that Fundamentalists are generally against freedom of speech for anyone but themselves.

        When they rail against others, it is called “Preaching” or “Speaking the Truth.” When others point out their faults, it is called “Persecution” and we are told we have no right to speak what we think.

        Notice that CP called names, “a bunch of sissy libs” (as if being liberal were a *BAD* thing!). And he (or she) is doing that objecting to Victory Baptist Church being called a “nutshack.”

        It is always a double standard. Always. Just rile them up a bit and it is easily seen.

  7. Praise God & Amen! Its good to have people who stand up for God & his word in this messed up world! I thank God for the King James Bible, my Southern Heritage (keep it flyin!) & Pastors who won’t bow down to the world! CP in Morgan Co. Indiana

    1. And I am thankful for Jesus’ blood that saves and cleanses white as snow! Thank God for the KJV – Because of its Words – I have eternal peace and a home one day in Heaven!

        1. And what do people who speak mandarin, Spanish or Russian read? Do they have to learn English? Yeah that King James Bible was authorized byvthe heretic church of England.

  8. To the person who thinks being a liberal is not a bad thing. I will pray for you. If you are a liberal, why are you on this website? The name of it is Stuff Fundies Like. I’m guessing liberals are interested in Fundamental beliefs. Well, that’s a start. Great! Wait, or could it be that libs are on this site just to put down good conservative Christian people?

    1. “Wait, or could it be that libs are on this site just to put down good conservative Christian people?”

      I *was* a “good conservative Christian” once. I have to tell you that I do not see conservatives as good. Conservative attitudes are usually simplistic, self-centered and hurtful.

      Not that I knew that when I was a “good conservative,” mind you. I thought the problem was with all those other folk who disagreed with me. Those liberals who hated their country (they don’t). Those lazy ****s on welfare (usually not lazy, but certainly disadvantaged). Those dam* educators who thought they knew more than me (they did). Those scientists who hate God (untrue!). Those immigrants who came to steal our jobs (the ones we wouldn’t touch with a 10-foot pole!).

      No, as a person who was once a Conservative, I have to say it was fueled by my own ignorance, arrogance, and Pharisaical pride. It certainly wasn’t Christ-like. It didn’t look to set the captive free. It didn’t love enough to love the unlovely. It had no compassion, no heart. Its worship was more one of entitlement than of receiving grace and forgiveness of sins.

      I am proud to be a liberal now. I look at what I was and I shudder at the thoughts and notions that enslaved me. Christ came to make change, radical change. He didn’t do it because I deserved it. He offered His grace freely, to all (not just to my socio-economic-political group).

      If you are a Conservative, I will pray for you. May you find at last repentance of heart and mind to accept others as Christ accepts them, and accepts you.

  9. To rtgmath, After reading all those words you typed….I still have to say, I will pray for you. I was lost too, but I was saved by the grace of God. It opened my eyes. It changed my life in the best way. I don’t deserve a love so great. I’m nothing without God. I don’t hate people but I will NEVER accept sinful pride in people. People think they can live any way they want to and say God is ok with it because he loves them. Bull! God HATES sin! So liberals will continue to spit in the face of God and live their selfish, hateful, greedy, perverted lives. So if you really are gonna pray for me too, I will thank you but believe me, God knows what he is doing when it comes to me.

    1. Yep. ALL those words!

      I do type a lot.

      Believe it or not, liberals do not believe that you can live any way they want to and God will be okay with it. What we do say is that God is the one who made us, knows us, and will be our judge. Our judge is certainly not those who have upheld injustice and cronyism over the long years.

      Yes, I am a liberal, married and faithful in it for 31 years. I believe in social justice, in a living wage, in the freedom of people to make their own choices without having to have permission of the church or anyone else. If two guys want to marry, it isn’t my place to tell them they can’t . Not that I’d do it. Among other things.

      It takes some guff to claim that liberals spit in God’s eye when conservatives want to take food out of the mouths of the hungry and deprive people of health care. And to despise people who can’t get a job when the jobs have been shipped overseas and the ones that are left are only enough for an eighth of those who need work. Or to declare that God wants us to have guns to defend ourselves with, no matter how many innocent people die in the process….

      Seems to me that Conservatives spit in God’s eyes a lot. They haven’t stopped sinning. They have just done a better PR job to make their sins and greed more socially acceptable.

      Then again, God will judge. And I will trust that God will lead you in the way you need to go, as I am very much assured that God knew what He was doing as He led me toward this path.

      And yes. I use a lot of words. It goes with who I am, a teacher. May God surprise you, and often, with His Grace and goodness toward you and toward those you might not expect to receive it.

  10. Just another liberal who wants to spew their junk and be heard. You are a teacher? Has to be public school. Hope you aren’t teaching English. Poor children. Your comments make no sense. Just a bunch of stupidity. I also can see that you read my comments so fast that you don’t even know what I said. Anyway, we will never agree so bye. Yes, I’m sure you will have to get in the last word. Oh yeah, I DO like guns. Anybody breaks in my house to hurt my family, you better believe I aim to kill. Now, why don’t you go open a King James Bible and read this….Matthew 7:13-14

    1. Bless your little pea-pickin’ heart. Aren’t you all precious and judgmental?

      I have as much a right to be heard as you have. Or would you like to take away my freedom of speech?

      If my comments make no sense to you, perhaps you do not have the language skills to process them. Or perhaps you are reality-challenged.

      And yes, I agree with Matthew 7:13-14. Do you, with your vitriolic tongue agree with James 3:13-16? or with Romans 12:16-21? Do not repay evil with evil? Do not be overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good? Does this square with your aim to kill? I have to wonder.

      I still wish you well. And I still wish you the Grace of God with plenty of surprises. Does it surprise you that He has given grace to me?

      1. Repay evil with evil? I believe CP was saying guns are good for defending his or her family. I don’t call that evil! And God hasn’t given you grace. Its called patience.

        1. What would you call shooting a person who harmed you? (Hint: it is repaying evil for evil.)

          What would you call shooting a person before they harmed you? (Hint: that is doing evil first.)

          Jesus told Peter to put away his sword. Those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword. Peter was defending Jesus. But in the Scripture, being abused by the world and suffering it for Christ’s sake is considered praiseworthy.

          Can you find a Scripture which tells Christians to kill the bad guys? I’d be interested if you could. New Testament, you understand. Even Jesus told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world, so His servants would not be fighting.

  11. What I meant by that was God has patience with you. He will deal with you when he is ready. He will deal with all liberals.

    1. Oh really? He will deal with conservatives, fundies, and all men. Even you cannot escape standing before Him to give an account.

      And as I am saved, He HAS given me grace.

      Liberalism is not a sin before God. You cannot make it to be sin.

  12. This man is a sexual preditor. He tells woman that are married that God will bless them and their families if they will have sex with him. This has happened to many young woman some have come forward ,others are still involved with this , most against their will for fear of loosing their families once falling victim to his wickedness.

    He also commits insurance fraud and cons people out of there money in the name of taking care of Gods man. I know personally men who have dumped cars in the river near his home (that he burned down just recently), to collect the money and get out the loan.

    I was in this church for years but God revealed the wickedness that is fostered there in the name of God and his word. This man is a pervert.

        1. I am very scared of him. The ladies that have come forward are very brave. He might hurt them. I hope not.

        2. He is a coward, ive helped two woman come out from under his bondage, and confronted face to face about it, i also took it to two men in the church who did nothing, they most certainly knew of his deeds. God knows tho, dont fear him.

    1. Aaron, I’ve always respected and liked you. I’m done defending this church. I’ve never spoken bad about the church or anyone there. Don’t plan to either. I used to go there (9months). Tony led me to the Lord right after I started going there. I was sooo happy that I found the church that I was looking for. But…I was newly saved and a few months later got involved in something I had never done in my life. Devil came after me hard. Went from a sad lonely mistreated life (for many yrs) to getting saved and life went crazy! I was so mixed up in the head about what was going on. I was honest with the pastor but it didn’t matter. I was told to make a choice. Either something I was involved with or church. I chose the something. It hurt me so bad to have to leave church. It hurt me for a very long time. I was glad I made the choice I did but it still hurt. I always knew it was my fault. I do have to say this “something” was something the pastor, his dad, and some of the members thought would be good for me at first. Well, at first I thought it could be but after a short while I knew it for a fact. I still know it today and I’m happier than I ever was before it. After I left I was treated really crappy by some of the members. Some were nice. One woman rolled her eyes and turned her head in disgust. Another woman did the same thing two different times. You know her very well. I have no respect for her because of that. (I pray that changes). Who do they think they are? Why didn’t these women ask me what happened?? Instead of treating me like dog poop. Here just lately I heard some of the things that the pastor said about me after I left. Let me tell you this, he exaggerated the story. Made it sound like I was an AWFUL person. Like I said, I was sad, lonely, and mistreated for many yrs. Then started going to VBC and life went crazy. But I was NOT and am NOT the person described by the pastor. This is the First time I’ve been able to say anything about the situation. I always knew God got me out of there but it’s not till the last few wks that I found out why. I am hearing things that make sense now. I believe it because of you Aaron. I know you are honest. Glad to know you and your family are doing well.

    2. Arron I’d like to know who u are.I was Tony’s first wife .he told everyone I was crazy but it was him.

      1. Ms Lloyd, Aaron Adams is the pastor at an IFB church in Indiana. The first point in the church’s statement of faith is the King James version. Second point is belief in the trinity.

        1. Thank you..this site had told me so terrible things .and my 2 daughters have been raised by him.

  13. Aaron and Bernice, I applaud you for sharing your experiences. Tony, though he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, is a master at religious manipulation and creating fear in his congregants who may otherwise speak out. At the time I left, I was not aware of the sexual (alleged) issues. But, I heard things from people after I’d be gone for a bit. He is, of course, and “independent” pastor. So, it is very hard to hold him accountable in any way via authority above him in the religious sense. What were your experiences talking to him directly at the time these things happened, if you were able to?

        1. Oh my….his wife knows about his adultery and is okay with it? She has to be hurt by it deep inside even if she will not admit it. Wow.

  14. Remember, if God had not meant for some people to be poorer than others, He would not have published the LeBron KJV in paperback…

  15. Website says. “This is a church like no other church in our area.” Well, I have to say half of that is right. They are definitely like no Church because THEY are not a Church. I still don’t hate them but I am so disgusted when I think of what they are doing. Total hypocrites. I moved on with my life a long time ago but I will never forget how some of them treated me. And for what? Thank you Lord for getting me and others out of there!

  16. I was married to this crazy man an yes he is a big womanizer an cheated on me with the piano player when he pastored a church in Virginia .an I see she has made some comments on here. Angel Hadley..she had a good story of how he seduced her

  17. Lisa, I want to say to you that your younger daughter is such a sweet girl. (Not going to mention her name on here). She has ALWAYS been kind to me. Just had to brag on her.

    1. if i may ask, what is your name? I’ve gone to this church before and i cannot place who you may be!

    2. (@CP) Can i ask you what your name is because i’m a member of this King James Bible believing church that doesn’t care what people say about us. Email me at Mortmonster02@gmail.com because I’d love to talk to you some more nothing hateful or anything i promise.

  18. I’ve known of this church for years. I never went there to worship as I do not worship doctrine. That did not prevent me from being targeted in personal attacks, lies and hate from some of the people of this church. They do not even follow the “doctrine” as written on their webpage regarding lying and backbiting being an offense worthy of expulsion. I noticed in comments something about duck dynasty wear. I’ve been to whites creek ferry church in west Monroe. It’s a church of Christ and is absolutely nothing like this group. They preach of salvation in Jesus from doctrines like this. The doctrine of hate, greed, abuse and intolerance.

  19. Even though I have never attended this church, the evil that is purveyed there has still reached out and effected my life in the way evil does. People from this church have stabbed me in the back repeatedly by lying and putting me down behind my back all while being all smiles and friendly to my face. At one point Tony was even stalking me in favor of somebody that was trying to get somebody to hurt me. It was all done for the want of money. I guess they haven’t figured out no mountain of it will buy them a soul. The good Lord protected me through those bad times as well as good and I am so thankful he has given me discernment of spirit to see what is governing this so called church. I would like to add that I’m certain there are good people that have fallen prey to the tactics there and I can only hope and pray they find their way to a real faith body like many who have commented here have done.

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