Hating on John Piper
Here Ryan Price, “pastor” of Fort Lauderdale Baptist Church lets us know why we should hate and fear John Piper (and other assorted reformed leaders). I’ve included some of my own comment captions in the video…
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I knew I shouldn’t have watched it….I discovered a new emaction (emotional reaction that actually causes body convulsions)…you can cry and throw up AND laugh (the text commentary saved me from stabbing myself) all at the same time
I feel like what so many have shared before in that I can’t watch these videos anymore but only b/c I truly find it hard to breathe and it just brings up all these bottled-up emotions from being in this literal hell for the past few years and I can’t stop crying
HELP!!!!!
Ha ha! Welcome to SFL, that sounds like a mild reaction. I think that’s just called a *twitch* normally!
LOL
I definitely need to not watch these, or, make sure there’s no sharp objects anywhere near me when I do….oh – and have the garbage can on hand
*wants the house to sell….*
This guy is such a moron. RC Sproul teaches “damnable heresy” really?
That’s just stupid. Actually, God used RC Sproul in my life to bring me back to Himself, whereas the IFB totally turned me away from God. It’s because of the IFB and “preachers” like Ryan Price that I thought God was just a terribly big boogie man waiting to get me, waiting to destroy every single moment of happiness I ever had, for years. Funny how that worked out.
I wonder if Ryan Price has ever read C.S. Lewis’s “The Screwtape Letters?” As I sat here and listened to this fool babble on for 5:31, I concocted a letter from Screwtape to Wormwood concerning Ryan Price. Here goes!
My dear Wormwood,
I thank you for this little clip you sent me! My very dear Wormwood you are doing such an excellent job keeping this mans head in the dark! I love how you kept it in his mind to keep going on and on about the “evils” of other Christians, yes, that was very good! Keep his mind on those things don’t ever let him actually think about what he is saying because the moment he actually begins to think about what he is saying, that moment just may lead to our undoing!! And Wormwood, we cannot let that happen! We cannot let him for a moment actually look at what Jesus’ ministry was really all about. We cannot let him see the true Biblical Jesus; because if he does you will see all of your years worth of work put in on him go up in smoke! The fairy tale Jesus and his fairy tale ministry that is floating about in your Patient’s head right now is our greatest secret weapon. As long as he goes on believing in the fairy tale, well then I think it is quite safe to say that we’ve got him. Yes, Wormwood, it will be just a matter of time before the soul of your Patient is safe here with us, in the home of Our Father Below. Safe with the souls of the other IFBers that we have tucked away here! Keep up the good work, Wormwood, it will all be worth it when on that day (not to far from now) you’ll be able to hang in front of his face his fairy tale Jesus and torment him for eternity!
Your affectionate uncle,
Screwtape
I hope you all enjoy that. I kinda had fun writing it.
Cool!
I truly love Lewis’s writings and “The Screwtape Letters” is one of my favorites. Of course, soon after posting a Lewis quote on fb, a fundy pastor’s wife I know posted on HER page a comment about how foolish it was for Christians to like Lewis and then she posted a link that claimed Lewis couldn’t have truly been saved because of his beliefs on certain subjects.
I guess my liking Lewis was an early indication that I didn’t belong in the IFB.
Yet strangely enough, many Fundies I know or maybe they are quasi-fundies have watched or read the The Chronicles of Narnia!
pastor’s wife,
I know exactly what you are talking about! When I was growing up in my IFB circle Lewis was one of the most hated “criminals” they had. And I bet you that link that fundy pastor’s wife posted is to the same website discrediting Lewis that I have been to. It’s such silliness. They said that because Lewis didn’t ask Jesus into his heart his salvation was counterfeit. It was also counterfeit because he was Catholic. Actually, twits, he was Anglican but… whatever. I remember telling a girl once when I was in my IFB school that as soon as I graduated I was going to start attending a church within the Anglican Communion, she got so angry and told me that if I did that I was going to burn in hell forever and that I would never be forgiven by God. She told me that if I did that “They” had failed me! My response: WHATEVER!!!
And yet as Presbygirl reminded us: they just go gaga for The Chronicles of Narnia perfecting once again their greatest art form; hypocrisy.
I have actually sat under several messages that preached Lewis was a Witchcraft recruiter. Using the Narnia stories as introductory paths to full blown witchcraft. Of course the Wizard of OZ was also an introduction to the same. Star Wars was another and Harry Potter was full on, no holds barred induction into the occult.
At the time I was fully under the spell of the IFB and I unquestioningly followed the will of the M-O-g and everything he declared was true was (in my mind) the word and will of God.
So, tell me, which was the greater sin? Whose magic was more dangerous and which cause greater harm to the cause of Christ?
I am glad that the IFB spell has been broken and I am no longer mesmerized by the power of the IFB or the M-O-g.
I’m not a Piper fan, but I would never say what he is saying. I don’t agree with Piper theologically. I heard him at a Passion Conference say that God created Adam and Eve to sin so that God could show the world how much he loved the world.
I checked out the church’s website. They have a Salvation Celebration Cook Off. Here is the flier
http://lauderdalebaptist.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/chili-cook-off-flier-copy.pdf
Guess if you don’t ask Jesus in your heart, he will tell you that you will spend eternity burning in hell – hotter then the hottest chili.
Back to my cup of wine in a Garfield mug!
This is EXACTLY what made me start to see how the fundy mind works. If we preach the truth we don’t have to worry about the error. He has wasted how much time cutting down others. Let Jesus be lifted up!
My best friend (IFB) hates Piper and all things Calvanist. I think I’m mature enough as a Christian to read McArthur, Piper, Sproul, and be blessed by their insights without following them hook, line and sinker. Just like I can listen to Price. Oh, wait. No, I can’t. I couldn’t sit under this guy’s preaching. blech
Is his name Greg?
I will not watch the video. I’m a member of Piper’s church. It was under his preaching that I became a Christian. And that’s after having attending four years of a fundy university and graduating with honors. His preaching is the most biblically based I’ve heard in my entire fundy life.
In my IFB church, we were always reminded of all the things we shouldn’t do lest another brother be offended, things like going to movie theaters.
Why don’t they apply this same reasoning to insulting other believers? Why don’t they refrain from vituperation against specific pastors so as not to offend other believers who are blessed by these men such as yourself? I know WHY: they claim these men are “false prophets”, but they can’t prove that accusation based on the basic fundamental truths of Christianity. Instead they label pastors as heretics over things like standards or unclear and difficult doctrines.
Their lack of charity is truly unbiblical.
I get this tingling feeling in my brain when I begin to listen to John Piper and it’s as though my brain goes to sleep. It’s an involuntary response, and I’m not sure why this happens. I’m not finding fault with Mr. Piper, just saying, but he is far less dangerous than Ryan here. Love those captions! I laughed so hard I almost choked.
What frustrates me is that all Baptists or all Fundamentalists (read, those who hold to the historic fundamentals of the faith) or all independents get brushed with the same stroke. This guy is as crazy as Fred Phelps, but neither they (nor Steve Anderson of Mesa, AZ, of “Him Who Pisseth Against the Wall” fame) truly represent those of us who hold to historic Particular Baptist doctrine and are independent congregations. I am weary of hearing the term “fundy” or “IFB” battered around by those who place us all in one category.
I grew up hearing this kind of nonsense too, but I read my Bible, became a Calvinist, have pastored an independent Baptist Church for 30 years, and hold to what I consider fundamentals of the faith. I preach from the NIV; I have benefited greatly from the ministries of John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul and John Piper (I’ve even shown videos of them in church!); I take my wife to movies (even double-dated with a deacon and his wife); our church body doesn’t have a clue that dancing is “sin”; my wife actually wears pants to church on occasion; I preach expositionally–no really (and yes, I actually know what that means!), always drawing the message from the text; I don’t do “hell fire and brimstone,” though I believe in a literal heaven and hell; I believe the doctrines of grace and practice Christian liberty. I am not ashamed to call myself a Calvinist, but I’m also unashamed to call myself an independent, fundamental Baptist. It may seem that I am an oddity, but most of my friends are seminary graduates who are much like me. I do not dwell in the realm of people like this nut job on the video.
I realize that there are many wacko IFB’s out there, but I’m not one of them. I am so tired of hearing this garbage from these guys. It saddens me and angers me. They are parroting their teachers (or favorite preachers). They do not think and they do not draw their conclusions from Scripture.
So here’s my plea: keep exposing these nut-jobs. Just don’t include all of us with them. I actually love my brethren, including my Presbyterian brethren (many with whom I feel more affinity than Baptists). This “preacher” (Ryan Price?) is divisive, as are many others; let’s not make the same mistake by casting all fundamentalists or all Baptists or all independents in the same light.
I wish there were more like you! Some of us have decided that the crazy just got too much for us, and decided to exercise separation from it. It sounds like my husband and I would enjoy fellowshipping with you, even if we don’t use the label “IFB” anymore.
To be honest, my wife and I have been talking the same way lately. With the Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist), Ryan Prices (Ft. Lauderdale Baptist), Steve Andersons (Faithful Word Baptist), Jack Hyles (now Schaaps), et al, and 20/20 reports, it’s tough to be an IFB these days. Add to that the strange ideas people have in general (like someone who once asked if we do snake-handling!), and I’ve definitely thought about changing the name (though I’m still a Baptist in doctrine). I cringed when I read on Ryan Price’s website that he preaches expositionally! I guess that makes my words sound shallow when I say it (though I really do!). He also says that they hold to the five fundamentals of the faith. Yet, I have a feeling that he also thinks a particular translation is a fundamental of the faith! Ha! And I’m quite sure that he would consider me a damnable heretic! So how can I properly identify myself any more? You see, I could never become a Presbyterian! Ha!
On another note, I’d love to explore Price’s theology behind the statement that those men he criticized are saved but being used of Satan (as damnable heretics, of course). Hmm.
I know nothing about John Piper, but I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to be a Calvinist and an Arminian at the same time.
You’re not thinking about people who have psychotic breaks from reality…