91 thoughts on “Arguing About The Day Of The Crucifixion”

    1. In that same comment he used ‘their’ instead of ‘there’, and I’m sure multiple exclamation points always helps to make one look well-versed in their topic.

        1. I agree. I’m no grammar genius myself, but seeing blatant errors that should’ve been learned by the end of elementary school bugs me.

    2. Yes, David, I love you so much that I’m going to insult you publicly, since you had the AUDACITY to suggest that maybe we should be focusing on Christ rather than petty, pointless arguments. πŸ™„

  1. Goodness! Christmas day probably wasn’t the day Jesus was born on either! It’s the symbology and remembering what happened that they should be focusing on, not whether it was a Thursday or a Friday.

    1. Funny thing is that we celebrate Easter, and not Passover… just so we can get the Holiday on Friday every year. πŸ˜‰ If we were to be strictly Biblical the crucifixion is directly tied to passover, not the weekend following passover. I realize this is done in order to celebrate the traditional “first” day of the week resurrection celebration. So it is more tradition than it is actual event driven.
      Much like my own father’s death, he died on April 8th 1977. That was Good Friday that year. By the calandar the aniversary of his death was two weeks ago,and it just so happens that this year the 8th was on a Friday. I alway tend to remember the anniversary of his passing by the event associated with his death marking today as that anniversary. So to argue about this day or that day is to wrestle with the wind.
      Romans 14:5-6
      One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

  2. Are these ALL Thursday crucifixion types? I don’t have a clue where that even comes form. At least the Wednesday crucifixion people can point to a year or 2 they claim Passover fell on a Thur to make that a high Sabbath. Thursday makes absolutely no sense, other than if you are trying to measure 72 hours from whatever specific timestamp it is you want to pretend Scripture has on resurrection.

  3. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. – Titus 3:5

    Yeah, its in that perfect Word of God they love so much too.

  4. I love it how responder number four gets it completely backwards. Jewish custom, if I recall, was to “round up” part of a day to a whole day; hence, three days from Good Friday to Sunday.

    1. Someone has to be telling it to them backwards, cause you would have to believe that the only letter that emphasizes 3 days & nights is Matthew written to the Jews, and the only way to stick to Wednesday like they do is if that 3 days & nights were part a time management rounding down like they (fundies/Wednesday-ers)think was happening. Everywhere else I know of in Scripture it’s referred to as on the 3rd day.

    2. I can get three days if you view part of a day as a whole day, but I still haven’t figured out how to get three days AND three nights. (Matt. 12:40)

      Since I can’t figure it out, I’m certainly not going to argue with people about it, or lose sight of what’s important: Jesus died and rose again!!!

      1. 3 days & 3 nights is a reminder of the creation story of days & nights, much like John tells the creation story when he uses Friday the 6th Day of the week to present “behold the man” who then dies for humanities sin and introduces a new creation on the first day of the new week.

        1. From that creation story, Jews would often use day & night to represent part of a day. They did it in Esther’s fast, the creation story, the Jonah story (directly referenced in the 3 days & nights — no one measured the exact time Jonah was thrown overboard or vomited out), and also in the Cornelius story in Acts, they days & nights don’t match up to the exact “x days & x nights”). Matthew the only gospel to use that colloquialism was written to the Jews who understood days & nights like that.

        2. RobM is right.

          We view everything today from our current cultural perspectives. We (especially Americans) are very self centered – the biblical time lines have to match up with our current calendar perspectives for us to be satisfied.

          To understand the Bible, we must seek to understand the cultural perspectives of that day – not ours.

        3. We just went over this in Life of Christ and my professor says the same as you. Since I’m still in a fundamentalist school guess I got to believe it whether it makes sense or not (but I think it does :mrgreen: )

  5. “If it was on a monday[sic] then that means that their[sic] are errors in our BIBLE!!!”
    When one clings to the doctrine of inerrancy it only makes sense that one would get picky over the minutiae. That is one of the reasons why I left that doctrine behind. Also, did they just equate the doctrine of the resurrection–without which our faith is in vain–to the doctrine of a perfect Bible?!

  6. I remember have a pastor tell us it was a Wednesday, after much research of course. I love the fact that they over this stupid stuff – but most won’t even consider having a worship service. When I started to think on my own (that is scary in Fundyland), I thought – but you can’t have Easter unless you have a Good Friday. I thought it was weird to go from Palm Sunday to Easter – opps forgot Prayer Meeting. That must be why the Wednesday thing – they already go to church.

  7. Ò€œIf it was on a monday[sic] then that means that their[sic] are errors in our BIBLE!!!Ò€

    Ok, this argument is very, very discouraging. In the first place, the commenter is (probably unwittingly) slave to logical positivism – the truthfulness of the Bible is dependent upon its precision (hint: prior to the advent of modern science, language was much more plastic…and expressive and beautiful). Second, the Bible specifically says “After three days he will rise” (Mark 8:31) and “he was raised on the third day, according to the Scriptures” (1 Cor. 15:4). So which is it, after three days, or on the third day? No matter how many exclamation points Dr. Bright uses, you can’t unwrite the Bible…
    😐

    1. And I’ve yet to find a Thursday crucifixion person who could explain the next day sabbath. I’ve always thought they were rare & unusual. Even PCC couldn’t explain the Thursday’ers. But that thread seems full of people proud to say Thursday, and have no concern whatsoever that there’s no kind of Sabbath that falls on any Friday within like 100 years of the approximate time of Christ’s crucifixion. At least the Wednesday’ers have the honesty to have looked up a year or 2 that they can say there was a High Sabbath on the Thursday.

    2. It’s too bad that they will never understand that they are slaves to logical positivism. Unless they leave. Does that mean their logical positivism is unfalsifiable? 😯

  8. Thursday = 72 hours. Idiots. My ‘theology’ teacher last year told me it was Thursday. I wonder if he can read Greek well enough to know what ‘prosabbaton means.’

    For those who don’t known (indeed, have neither reason nor occasion nor need to know): it means “the day before the Sabbath” and is synonymous with Friday. Mark 15.42-43 FTW.

    1. How could it be 72 hours? Aren’t these three days of the same variety found in Genesis? You know, the ones that existed before the making of the sun.

    2. I’ve heard it all explained logically from the Scripture. One key is that there are non-Saturdays that God declared would be “a Sabbath” unto the Jews. Also, doesn’t the Bible say that the “next day” was the “preparation of the Sabbath”? Doesn’t that meant that the “next day” was a Friday? (if they were preparing for the Sabbath?)

    1. I find Thursday to be highly annoying, but idiots is kind of strong. Misled, or trying too hard, or something? I totally accept that the quote mark in the wrong spot was George’s fault.

  9. This will either help or totally confuse everything. Not sure which. Some of this is direct cut-and-paste from ask.com

    Here in Canada, while y’all are learning Spanish, we’re forced to learn French, and the French people, God bless ’em, don’t see the world the way we do. Especially when dealing with high rise buildings. So what we call the first floor they call “rez-de-chausee” which is the floor you walk in on. The next floor up is the “first floor,” “premier étage”. Conveys a different sense than “floor.” But here in North America, the place where we enter the building is considered “first;” we’re already at the first floor even though we haven’t climbed any stairs. (The Japanese follow the American system, New Zealand follows the British/European system.)

    So a lot depends on how you count.

    Or try this one. Have you ever tried to explain to your kids how even though they’ve just had their fourth birthday party, they’re already in their fifth year. Kids can’t handle that kind of logic!

    So if we take a Friday as Day One, Saturday as Day Two, and Sunday as Day Three; then Jesus rose on the third day.

    BTW, I know this is NOT the way some theologians tend to resolve this, but hey, it works for me.

    1. I know this is completely beside the point, but did someone from Canada really say “y’all”? I’m a Texan, and I get made fun of for that all the time (by my friends from out of state)…Seems to me that if Canadians are saying it, it certainly can’t be just us Southerners…

        1. That is exactly correct. πŸ™‚ And the possessive for “y’all” is “y’all’s”. Lotsa quotation marks and apostrophes in there…I’m just glad that whoever wrote that up there put the apostrophe in the right place. ‘Yall and yall’ and all the other odd punctuation placements people manage to use drive me batty.

        2. Last night in our Good Friday service, the pastor was reading Scripture. Instead of “you”, he said “you’s”. EEEEEKKKKK. Nails on a chalkboard to an educator! 😯

        3. @Rob – At least the way I say it, it’s a one syllable word. It may depend on where in Texas you are, though. We have some pretty distinct accents within our little ol’ state….

        4. I’m from Florida. Y’all is one syllable.

          But cannot stand it spelled ya’ll. Drives me batty.

    2. Wouldn’t that only be two nights though? Friday night, Saturday night?

      I really don’t care when anyone “celebrates” the actual crucifixion day. He wasn’t born on December 25th either πŸ˜› My fundy church is trying to say that saying Jesus was crucified on Good Friday is the devil trying to undermine the resurrection *eye roll* Maybe he didn’t die on a Friday night. They’re not saying he didn’t die and didn’t rise again! Who cares what day they honor it??

    1. I really think it’s to be different from Catholic churches or mainline denominations that have Good Friday services: “If they do it, we can’t!” The IFB church I grew up in never had a Good Friday service.

      I always heard a big deal made about how the Catholic mass recrucifies Jesus over and over again and how the crucifix shows Him always on a cross so maybe the deemphasis on Good Friday was to highly emphasize the Resurrection (which they felt other denoms weren’t doing enough of).

  10. Doesn’t the synoptics have Jesus eat the passover meal while John has him crucified while the passover lambs are being sacrificed? Maybe symbolism is more important than dates. I think it was for John. For what it’s worth, I do agree that Friday is the correct day. Fundy literalism and anti-Catholicism leads to all sorts of nonsense.

    1. One Flew @ 4-22 @ 22:09 (Since who knows where George will stash this comment…)

      That is correct. John is neither “literal” nor “linear” – he arranges Jesus’ life according to theological themes, and departs significantly from the synoptics in order to create symbolism. Again, this is normal for writers everywhere, but for some reason some people expect a kind of factual precision out of the Bible in order for it to be true…

    1. In Matthew, Jesus talks about the sign of Jonah, and says 3 days and nights. As fundies love to do, you have to ignore all the 3rd day references, and focus on a phrase to use literally, hinge the veracity of scripture on it, and jump on board 19th or 20th century theories if what the author meant. Old Paths indeed!

  11. This fb post maketh me angry.

    And most of my fundy friends do this crap. So I don’t read them. Helps me keep the proverbs about not getting angry. 😐

    1. I still would love to find a “thursday-er” that actually said the Friday was a Sabbath of some kind. Did they even bother with trying to have a calendar that said there was a Friday High Sabbath, or just wanted to make sure they have the 3 days & nights?

  12. IFB posts with mMisused capitalization and inappropriate application of apostrophes drive me nuts.

    I know they aren’t the only ones who do that, but somehow it seems more prevalent in IFBism. Maybe because they don’t need no education.

  13. Or maybe the crucifixion is fiction.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCdJT8avbpo
    Then there is the story about Jerusalem being invaded by zombies!
    Matthew 27:51-53
    β€œAnd, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

  14. I’m reminded of a story I read one time where two little girls were in Sunday School and they fought over a bookmark that said, “God Is Love”–and they didn’t speak to each other for twenty years after that.

  15. I am embarrassed to admit that the person who posted this is one of my fb friends and part of the fundy world I grew up in. Although they are “Hyles” fundies and I grew up in more of a “campmeeting” fundy church we still associated with them. This is exactly the kind of thing that they would dissect while ignoring the actual point of the story. All I can say is thank God I made it out!!!

  16. I love it when fundies Americanize the Bible – they believe nothing in the scriptures is explained by “culture of the time.” Yeah right, and Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night and Order of Services is Biblical not cultural.

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