118 thoughts on “Fundy Christmas Day 10: Killing Santa”

        1. c’mon its Christmas you two need to quit all this bickering and not talking to one another, smoke the peace pipe and bury the hatchet in the root of bitterness between you. I can’t stand all this negativity it is really upsetting george as well… :wink: :shock: :grin:

        2. Oh, that’s just how Rob and I roll.

          Like the old saying goes, what to some appears as fighting, is to others as dancing.

          And, HF says that if Rob tries to dance with me one more time, he’s going to taze him. :wink:

        3. ‘splain how Rob got dat black eye jus dancin’ sista! ummm-hmmm? book ‘er Dano!
          I can’t take all the carnage and chaos any longer I tell you! :shock:

        4. Yo Honna, the defend-dant off’d po’ RobM because he got furst reply this monin’. No sur we ain’t recovered the body yet but as you can plainly see from her posties she has done po’ RobM in. Therefo’ the state axe’s that bail be set at one trillion samollians!

        5. Puuleeaaase! It wa mo tha’ that comment. He dun tryin’ to deNY dat he my sista’s baby daddy, and tryin’ to take her owyn Maurrry, but he kno’… HE KNO!

  1. “Hey, kids, when you’re sick of someone, just shoot ‘em!”

    On a serious note, I’m a cop’s wife, and I hear too many real stories of shootings and violence. I think that preacher went WAY too far in his distaste for Santa.

    1. And, furthermore… Did you notice how he went all gangsta after he shot him? Let’s put him in the northside of my husband’s district if he wants to be all gangsta.

      He’d wet his little fundy britches.

      1. I second that motion. It’s easy to be a tough guy in church, before a captive audience. Let’s see how big a man he is out on the street.

    2. IDK, I am kind of amused by shooting Santa. I guess I am just desensitized to violence by watching all those evil hollywood movies. Hmm, maybe the fundies are right after all?? :mad:

    1. Brother Mike (the preacher) seems to have dentures that don’t fit. I wondered why he spoke so strangely, then I saw his teeth in the closeup at the end of the video. Instead of killing Santa, he should ask for some Poly-Grip in his stocking.

  2. This church is obviously not “typical” Fundy… the choir wears robes, there is a non-KJV verse on the wall and there is an assortment of musical instruments in the corner that would be anathema in most Fundy churches… but the mindset is still the same: let’s put on a show people will talk about rather than teach and preach the Word of God.

    Love the way George spelled “Santa Clause” in the caption!

  3. On a more serious note, either this guy was early or Fundys are late to hitch a ride on the debt-is-a-sin bandwagon. But now several of my fundy friends are seriously into that phenomenon. Their primary measure of spirituality is how much money you have in the bank. What a twisted view! There is a difference between using money wisely and working hard to accumulate more and more temporary wealth. Jesus didn’t have a place to lay His head, while Dave Ramsey buys $8 million mansions. It’s not a sin to have a nice house, but we will answer to Jesus one day, and the least of His concerns will be the amount of money we had piled up somewhere.

    1. Amen, brother. You’re talking about the “Prosperity Gospel” heresy. Health and wealth can be good (depending on how you use them), but they aren’t a measure of your spiritual state.

    2. Darren,
      I have a hard time listening to Dave Ramsey…While I agree that stewardship is very important, it’s not the end-all-be-all of the Christian life. If you really listen to him, in a practical sense, he looks as tithing as a way to “get” from God. So in reality, you’re simply “investing” or at the very worst, paying God “protection money”.

    3. How about that its none of anyone’s business what our financial status is? Whether we are up to our nose in debt or up to our nose in cash, that’s between us, our spouses, and God.

      Fundies are so friggin nosy.

    4. The “Health and Wealth” gospel is truly sad. Not only does it imply that true xtains are doing good but that if you’re not there must be sin in your lives and you’re just getting what you deserve. One more reason to condemn the “social gospel” of helping those in need. :sad:

      1. While most prosperity preachers do teach that if you are sick, or poor, it is because of sin, there is one that openly denounces that and insists the blessings of God are unconditional towards believers – he rarely speaks about money or health. I refer to Joseph Prince – he talks a lot about Grace. I kinda tune out when he starts down the health and wealth road, but it’s not a guilt trip or a bunch of veiled threats about “God’s gonna getcha for sinnin'” stuff.

    5. Debt is certainly not a good thing, but I can’t think of anywhere in the Bible that it’s called out as a sin.

      They must be going through some complicated gyrations to get to “debt is sinful.”

      Maybe something like “Jesus said no man can serve two masters, and Proverbs says the borrower is a slave to the lender, so if you are in debt you are not serving God.” :roll:

      1. Actually, I misread – Chan is the opposite of what you said – a Christian shouldn’t have debt, and should live from week to week and savings are sinful etc

  4. Heard on the Tony Perkins radio address this AM: Frosty the snowman is the new boogey man that’s worse than santa! I don’t see it on FRC (yet) or any story in the NYTimes or any reference on 92y.org (which I’m assuming is what he’s calling the NYC YMCA, as do most, although I believe it’s actually a Jewish/Hebrew Y rather than a Christian YMCA). Anyway is outraged that (according to Tony) they are switching from Santa to Frosty, and whether it’s true or not, Tony is outraged, and seeking to spread it! :)

    1. Re: the outrage over Frosty taking Santa’s place– yeah, I heard something about that, too. I really don’t get how you can be mad about Santa taking Jesus’ place, and then get madder when Frosty takes *Santa’s* place. I mean, isn’t the enemy of your enemy your friend? Lol.

      I dunno. I’m going to stop trying to logically justify the position. Starting to get confuzzled… :neutral:

    2. FWIW, there are, not one, but two, count ‘em, TWO movies about living snowmen; oddly, both are called Jack Frost. One film is about a boy’s dead father who is reincarnated as a snowman, the other is an evil killer snowman reeking havoc slaughtering people, but it’s basically the same thing: Neither concept is going to sit well with a Fundy. :razz: :twisted: :mrgreen:

  5. This… is just… weird. Seriously. I thought I’d be outraged or get to scoff at the stupidity of it or something but nope–just weird. This Christmas stuff is finally breaking me, Darrell.

  6. One can only imagine the offering time at that service….
    At least it was a more “honest” offering time that Sunday… Bro. Mike puts on a Bandana and reloads, while his gang went pew to pew. Of Course Bro. Mike got out of debt through the sacrifical giving of all those who are giving him seed money to get themselves out of debt.

  7. Am I the only one who thinks the pastor looks like Geraldo Rivera? Maybe its just the ‘stache.

    Judging from the way Santa walks and holds “his” hands I would guess that Santa is a woman. I am not sure why I think that is relevant.

      1. Yes, I agree. That’s all I could think about as she was walking across the stage–definitely a woman. But then, I might have thought that about the preacher if he had been dressed differently too……just not sure about these people at all!

    1. Yeah, I noticed that as well…it is more than likely because none of those “men” would ever stoop to the level of humiliating themselves for an object lesson in church….so they have a woman do it! It’s probably the preacher’s wife!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. Judging from the way Santa walks and holds “his” hands I would guess that Santa is a woman. I am not sure why I think that is relevant.
      Because Santa Claus is a unisex freak of Satan. :wink:

  8. Why does it disturb me that the audience laughed when the preacher shot Santa? I just didn’t think it was funny. Disturbing, definitely. Funny, not so much.

    1. I thought it was odd that the audience just thought it was great, as if he was passing out candy canes.

      I was waiting for someone to leave, but nope. I guess they think its cool to shoot someone in church. If it was done on TV, they would consider it “violent”, but at church, apparently, its okay.

      But, his ego about it all is what irritated me the most.

    2. I don’t know why I still get so surprised when I see examples how deranged some Fundy Men O’ God can be, but I’ll have to agree with Jenni that this time I was even more disturbed at how the audience was tickled pink at the pastor repeatedly shooting Santa. It’s very unnerving to see a room full of supposed Christians that seem arguably lacking in the conscience department.

      1. Do you remember the guy who killed at least seven people on a Wednesday night at a large youth gathering in a Texas church? It was over 10 years ago. And the guy who went into the church in Colorado shooting only a couple years ago? I think the pastor shooting Santa is tasteless, vulgar, and inappropriate.

        I’m so tired of portraying my faith as what I’m AGAINST (although there certainly ARE things that I’m against). I’d rather celebrate Christmas by AFFIRMING Christ that by denigrating Santa. I’d rather spread the spirit of peace and joy than whine about how everyone else is consumeristic and politically correct. I’m tired of the hatred, the fear-mongering, the attack-mode attitude. We Christians ARE warriors, but our battle is not against flesh and blood. Santa is not my enemy. My own selfishness, my impatience, my tendency to be discouraged, my ridiculous inclination to blame God when things don’t go my way — THESE are the enemies I must fight.

    3. I mean, laughing their heads off was one thing, but there was one guy jumping up and down waving his hands about it…talk about getting your hallelujah on….

  9. Honestly, I was pretty horrified by the whole thing. This was worse than tacky, worse than red-necky. Shooting Santa, then shooting again so that the body can quiver with the impact? Then having the ushers carry out the body whle the church rejoices?

    FTR, from what I see in the video I’m guessing this is a charismatic/Pentecostal type of church. Just a guess.

    1. I agree. I was very disturbed by the preacher AND the people’s reaction…
      On a side note, was Santa dancing to his ipod right before he got shot?

  10. I’m sorry but I didn’t really think it was funny. IMO, God’s house is meant to be a place of peace and weapons have no place in it. It’s especially sickening considering the poor man who was shot by a fundy in the lobby of his church just a few years ago. That these people consider violence in a church to be acceptable horrifies me. And the sad thing is, I’m fairly sure there were a few sheeple who were upset about it but too afraid of the MOG’s reaction to just walk out. :sad:

  11. “The world is a stage,
    The stage is a world of preachertainment.
    That’s preachertainment!
    That’s preachertainment!”

    And the Oscar Nomination for best supporting actor for 1997 goes to….
    Santa Clause for the “hit” scene from Kill Santa.
    Hooray for Fundywood!

  12. Not only do I not get the connection of what shooting Santa has to do with staying out of debt, I don’t get how the Mannagod committing murder is supposed to be so funny. I imagine the crowd will be rolling on the floor when he performs the mock rape of a teenage girl to illustrate the dangers of immodest dress.

  13. What church is this? doesn’t look like anything from the IFB world, wacky as that is. Looks more like the same crowd that did the Easter bunny scourging.

    1. Definitely does not “look” like a Fundy church, but they definitely “act” like a Fundy church with killing Santa.

      Question: For those with kids, did you ever come to a decision with your spouse if you would or would not teach your kids about Santa Claus, or did you just let your kids come to their own conclusion?

      1. We never made a big deal of it, and she was ‘meh’ about Santa till she was in PreK. I don’t think she really bought the idea of Santa. I guess all the other kids being all excited got her worked up and she has had full on belief.

        Two years ago, she asked if Santa was real and we told her about St Nick and how there wasn’t a real Santa who traveled the world, but we play the Santa game in honor of SN. She decided on her own that Santa was real.

        So, though we weren’t really into leading her to believe that he was real, we have just gone with the flow. Let the kid have her fun.

        However, Santa brings one small gift and fills the stocking. No way is a fictitious dude going to get the Christmas present glory around here! :wink:

        1. Santa was anathema in my childhood home, but my husband and I decided to not be AGAINST Santa, but also not really say much about him either. Thus we never had photos on Santa’s lap, didn’t leave out cookies for him, etc. However, my youngest hears the older ones talk about Santa and I think she thinks he’s real. (I do have a beautiful picture book about St. Nicholas that I’ve shared with the older ones now that they’re not preschoolers.)

        2. What PW described is pretty much what we do here. My son (older) is into a little more, probably from school and friends, but my 4-yr-old daughter announced the other day “my teachers say Santa is real but I know he’s not.” When I asked her why, she said, “Because I don’t like him.”

          We put out cookies and feed the reindeer and kind of play along, but Santa only brings one or two things . . . like Robin, no fictitious dude is getting the present glory.

      2. We tell our children about the historical St Nicholas. We tell them the tradition of Santa Claus comes from the real St Nick and all the stuff today is fun, but it’s in honor of him. We have fun with it, but they know it’s pretend. So my kids told some friends the other day, “Santa is in Heaven now.” Well, at least they didn’t say he’s dead…

  14. With our first child, we downplayed the whole Santa thing. We talked about him right from the start as a game. However, our daughter still picked up from scool the idea that he was real. By then our second child came along and we no longer saw any problem at all with Santa. Now Santa or his reindeer do something odd in our house each year, like weighing in on the Wii or eating grass off of the Chia pet. It’s become a tradition. Our youngest has started to realize what’s going on, and this will undoubtedly be our last year with Santa. We’re definitely going to miss him. I’ll probably keep up the tradition just for the fun of it, though.

  15. IS this guy a fundy? He sounds like he would make a great voice actor – or Chris Rock impersonator towards the end.

    What church is this?

    LOL – we are so excited about Jesus (after shooting Santa).

  16. I had a man in the church go to speak to the pastor in his office with a serious complaint. I wore a tie with a picture of Santa on it. Actually Santa was sliding down the chimney into the open mouth of the Tazmanian Devil. He thought that should disqualify me from teaching Jr. Church. (No one else wanted that job, though.)

    1. Sounds like a job for george. He could have done a quick removal, let the fellow breathe some fresh air, and given him a breathmint. (btw, what did the pastor say? did he agree with the accusation or did he help that guy get his head out of “there”, then give him some oxygen and a breathmint?) :shock:

  17. That was kinda disturbing… Is Rudolph next? Will he take a blow torch to Frosty? If ya don’t like Santa, whatever. But you can’t just shoot him! Had there been a visiting family there who needed to know the Lord, and they brought their children to see that! Not much good for the cause of Christ.

  18. Shooting someone aside (doesn’t that usually earn a movie a pg13 or r rating?) preacher mike takes the lords name in vain, and that’s one of the ten commandments. This guy is just insane

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