Yeah, you really just saw that.
Posted by Darrell
And yes, I know that little girls often say they want to marry daddy and it’s cute and adorable and Freudian. Writing a song about it and having older girls sing it as part of a church service…that’s something else again.
Oh Ron. Ron, Ron, Ron, Ron. . . .
Wow. Just wow. I always knew he had a warped sense of humor, but, this is a crazy parade of sick.
Oh my gosh I looked just like that girl in the middle in that purple dress! I had long black hair that my parents would never let me cut and my mom fixed it just like that in those big stupid bows and I had many horrible dresses exactly like that one! I’ll bet she’s also wearing those ridiculous lacy socks and black or white dress shoes too Ugh I hated the way my mom dressed me. It was a battle that we fought until I earned my own money to buy my own clothes, but she would still make a point to tell me they were ugly.
Now, I wouldn’t wear a dress or a skirt if you paid me, my hair has been short since they finally let me cut it at 12, and I have a nose stud and wrist tattoo. Sometimes people just are who they are. I think I’ll be tshirt, jeans and flip flops for the rest of my life despite all my parents efforts to cram me into their little fundy mold.
By the way, I remember that song from when I was a kid I thought it was weird then. I didn’t want to marry my dad. I was plotting my escape from fundamentalism at an early age although I didn’t articulate it that way at 9 or so, so I didn’t want to marry my dad because he would’ve kept me in it. I wanted to marry someone on the outside.
I forgot to add, I wonder how much therapy those girls will need to deal with the trauma of singing that in front of people?
I’ve seen a lot of what I would call inappropriate, and at least bizarre daddy/daughter behavior in famous fundy families. Even when you don’t think there’s anything going on, it’s shocking to see how daughters even in their 20s will show dad some affection.
Darrell my friend, don’t diss that song man! My daughters sang that to me when they were children, more than 20 years ago. It was a fun song, BUT sadly, it doesn’t wear well after all these years
Is it sad that I knew EXACTLY which song that was without having to press play? Ugh. I’m sorry but there is nothing remotely cute or adorable about appealing pedophilia. Yes, I said that. Even as a little fundy kid I never liked that song.
@alm517: ah, a woman after my own heart. Yeah, my mom’s efforts to cram me into those horrible frilly dresses, complete with those awful lacy socks and shiny black/white shoes, worked out about as well for me as it did for you. Thankfully my parents loosened up when I was about 10 and allowed me to wear pants, but I was still forced to wear those awful things to church. No more. I refuse to voluntarily wear a skirt or dress.
appealing *to* pedophilia
I made it :18 seconds
Great now the tune is stuck in my head
What was Hamilton thinking?
I think this song stems from the fundamentalist issue of being unaware of the surrounding culture changing around them.
I think it’s simply naivete on Ron’s part that he felt this song was innocent and appropriate — even at the time when he wrote it.
The fact that it continues to be sung given the way the world has changed and things like incest and pedophilia have become a lot more common (or at least commonly reported) is something else again.
I have an awesome dad who has always treated his daughters with love and respect, encouraging our strengths and supporting our decisions. I love him, but I can’t ever remember thinking I wanted to marry him. I can see a 2 or 3 year old saying something “cute” like that because they don’t get how life works yet. But why would a grown up who knows better elaborate on the idea in a song and have kids sing it? In front of people? That’s just weird.
Compare this to the song, “I want a girl, just like the girl who married dear old Dad”. The world gets it.
Is it just me? Or do some of these girls look like they are in internal consternation about even the *thought* that they may have to marry their daddy. You could see a girl this age thinking, “Do I really have to marry him when I grow up”?
And I think a song titled, “I want to marry someone like my dad when I grow up” is waaaay different then, “I want to marry my dad when I grow up.” It just speaks “Creep.”
Wow. Wrong on sooo many levels. Sick that an adult would consciously write this stupid song, and even more sick that people would sing it. Thankfully, I’d never heard of this song until I read about it somewhere online, and my church uses a lot of the Ron Hamilton/Patch the Pirate songs.
@alm517: a lot. trust me.
And can you imagine a group of boys singing, “I want to marry mommy when I grow up”? Ain’t gonna happen!
Huh–well I’ve heard plenty of stories of children (usually boys relating to their mother) telling a parent they “want to marry” them when they’re grown up. And being disappointed that said parent is already married. Most people simply explain it and it’s no biggie.
I don’t know whether this would have gone over differently in another era. But it’s cringe-worthy in this day and age. I would be supremely uncomfortable with that. And I say that as a near-fundie.
Wait, so root beer in a bottle gets nixed per the theorem of Appearance of Evil, but a song (with pure intentions, I’m sure) about entering into a romantic relationship with your father doesn’t?
Actually, there’s nothing appropriate about this song. A child does not wash her face and comb her hair, whatever, to show Daddy she really cares. She’s not there for Daddy. Daddy is there for her. God gives the child as a gift to the parents. The parent is the one who shows and teaches *chesed*, the lovingkindness of God, to the child. This song is way wrong on a lot of levels, apart from its outright creepiness. I’m sure we understand why a little girl may assume she could marry Daddy when she grows up, but that’s not a mindset, apart from being funny, that needs to be cultivated or even explored beyond kindly tolerance and the forward motion towards mature love and respect for a parent.
Now, Bassenco, you know what our children look like and how they act is a reflection on their parents. How dare you point out there’s nothing appropriate about this song!
So glad my mother thought Ron Hamilton music was just silly and we NEVER listened to it even though she was personal friends with the family. But that reminds me. At church last week (huge church in the CBF), the organist started playing a song that I thought for sure was a Ron Hamilton song from the early 80′s or maybe 1979–O Be Strong in the Lord. I reach for the hymn book thinking, “Wow, home town boy has made the big time” and have a mild sense of pride. But then…..shock……it’s not a Ron Hamilton song……it’s a Tom Fettke song that sounds EXACTLY like Ron’s song!!!! So, anyone know what gives? Did Ron’s song get stolen? Anybody know?
I’ve heard several that sound like ripoffs – especially the words. There’s a Majesty Music (I think) song about getting to heaven and being so thankful for others who helped him that to me was just the fundie version of “Thank You for Giving to the Lord.” It’s as if they like the idea, but they can’t sing songs by those worldly compromisers so they write their own version.
It’s because Ray Boltz is gay….
It may be that Ron got permission to use the tune and put his own words to it. I did a search and found that the song is on a couple of CDs put out by Majesty Music (one of them was by the Herbster Trio).
My husband so very much wants to see Ron Hamilton’s music collection–the real one, with the Allan Sherman albums, and the Spike Jones. The things that pop out to him whenever he listens to the Patch the Pirate songs, because Allan and Spike did them first (and most often, better).
@ Amazed by Grace : The Patch Stuff or all of it?
Well you can pick out the PTL stuff and the John Denver tunes. ::shrug::
We in the BJU Fine Arts building kept waiting for the next installment of the Patch the Pirate adventures: Patch the Pirate Goes to Hell.
Actually, thereâ€™s nothing appropriate about this song. A child does not wash her face and comb her hair, whatever, to show Daddy she really cares. Sheâ€™s not there for Daddy. Daddy is there for her. God gives the child as a gift to the parents. The parent is the one who shows and teaches *chesed*, the lovingkindness of God, to the child. This song is way wrong on a lot of levels, apart from its outright creepiness. Iâ€™m sure we understand why a little girl may assume she could marry Daddy when she grows up, but thatâ€™s not a mindset, apart from being funny, that needs to be cultivated or even explored beyond kindly tolerance and the forward motion towards mature love and respect for a parent.
Okay. I admit. I wanted to highlight Bass’s words again because . . . well, they are TERRIFIC! But I also wanted to think out loud about this for awhile.
The Little Marcy post has pushed me down memory lane. This is a sentimental week for me, so I was already headed that direction. Little Marcy is crap. Crap music, crap ventriloquism, crappy-crap-crap theology. But I listened to it in solitude. In my bedroom while jumping on the bed singing along at the top of my lungs. It hard-wired me wrong, I admit, but my parents general and proper and unconditional love did speak louder than that crap-for-a-puppet. So I’m good.
But this Ron Hamilton thing is way, way worse. It’s worse ’cause it’s better. It’s worse ’cause it’s in church. It’s worse because the whole Body is listening and endorsing it together.
This is sick. Just sick.
Wow. I really never thought of this in this way, just being human, fundy and now in his bro’s church. Interesting fact: Ron’s Down’s nephew told me that his mother is his girlfriend. Won’t even go with all the hugs the nieces give to a rather large (but $$) older male in our church. All so sick. Maybe just in the family……
Thanks Camile for your comments, so true
Amazed by Grace – There was a Hamilton and/or Garlock arrangement of “Halleluia, Halleluia” that was exactly the same as another, slightly more popish version. They didn’t give proper credit to this other person. I sang it at BJA.
My parents skipped church Sunday nights when it was going to be a Patch night. They really didn’t like it. Like most people of their generation, they put up with it because they were told that it was bringing in children. The fact that there was no empirical evidence to back up that statement was neither here nor there.
Was’nt there a post dedicated just to Patch the Pirate? I seem to remeber there being one when SFl was still a blog.
@Phil. The Patch stuff for sure. I don’t recall that we ever talked about the other songs specifically. It seems like for awhile there when I was in school (around the same time Ron was) that there would occasionally be a new song printed on a half sheet of paper that was passed out at the Bookstore. Those were probably fine–content wise. The Patch stuff was just ridiculous to my mother (and she was a musician.)
@Dan. So, did Ron’s lifting of words/tunes ever become a problem that you know of? I mean, that’s illegal and all.
@Phil there was this: http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2009/02/ron-hamilton/
@ Amazed – not that I know. What they did was lift a melody and add verses to it, which does happen, but, it’s plagiarism. When I’m in my office tomorrow, I can tell you what the original was.
Here is a clip that has the plagiarized piece:
It starts about 4.00 mark. The song is “Alleluia” by Jerry Sinclair. What Garlock/Hamilton did was change the words and added another phrase to make it different, but the Sinclair song was written in 1972, before their song was written somewhere between 1975-77. While it’s not totally plagiarized, they should have given credit to Sinclair for part of the melody. Disgusting. Their song “God Is Holy” can be found here:
I can’t find a music clip, but the plagiarism is there.
There were two versions of this one too. Garlock’s was “I want that mountain” and the original PTL version was “Give me that mountain.” Or the other way around. They did it a LOT.
As a disclaimer, let me say that I don’t know if what they did reaches the legal level of plagiarism, but with 2 people with Master’s degrees, they should know better.
eww, just eww.
Oh. Oh no. Familiar with Ron Hamilton only as Patch the Pirate and not aware of his real name, I started watching the video. I briefly thought, “Isn’t this from a musical or someth….” and then it all came flooding back to me in horrible subconscious impressions. It’s been a good 20 years since the last time I listened to a Patch the Pirate tape. I’m pretty sure I didn’t like the song even back then. ::shudder::
This song is somewhat disturbing. Thankfully I have never heard this song sung in my church which I have been attending for the past 4 years. (And yes that is the same church that PtP goes too )
@pvr: So you must know Jim Phillips?
I’m sure there is more than one Jim Phillips, but there is one at North Hills Community Church that once went to school with Ron.
Aww… I love the look of long hair, big hairbow, fancy homemade dress with lacy socks and shiny white or black shoes. Fortunately for me, my 3 year old loves dressing like that! I keep her in jeans most of the week even though she’d rather dress up, so she gets very excited about getting to wear her dress and special socks and shoes on Sunday. I’m going to milk it for as long as she’s content to let me. I also dress her in pink as much as possible since the color looks awful on me, but I like to look at it.
When I was a (very young) kid I actually liked that song, but now it creeps me out. I do think a lot of that is related to the cultural increase in awareness of sexual abuse.
My husband will not have Patch in our house, even though he wasn’t even brought up with it – he heard a few episodes at his cousin’s house when he was a kid and he never liked it even then.
@phil. I do not know Jim Phillips. Maybe if I saw him I would recognize him. Calvary is fairly large church.
I can not believe how sick all of you people are. you are sitting there on your computer making fun of little kids!!! you all need some serious help!! do you really think that the girls singing this song mean it in the way that you all are saying that they do??? when you were a kid and you sang this song did you mean it in a sick way??? if so you are all a bunch of sick people who need some SERIOUS help.
you are sitting there on your computer making fun of little kids
No, we’re making fun of a middle-aged man who wrote this song to be sung by little kids.
But thanks for expressing your outrage anyway.
Concerned troll is concerned.
And Im not actually sitting on my computer, I am sitting in front of it.
I’m from Singapore & my church sings Ron’s song quite a bit previously in youth fellowship & sometimes as a special.
We still do, but in lower frequency.
Every few years, we’ll put up a Cantata by him.
We (& I) do love his songs, though I find this “marrying daddy” piece kind of over-board. His message from his Cantata pieces is overly simplified too, which to me is more for audience appreciation than evangelism.
I live in Alabama….I think it’s still legal down here.
I had never heard of the song. But my kids love the patch songs. They sing them all the time. And Ron does have some pretty good songs. After directing several Hamilton cantata’s, I must admit they are very simplified and many have the same variations on a theme.
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