97 thoughts on “Condescension”

  1. You know, when I look back at the pastors, missionaries and lay people who -over the years- I have come to realize were true Saints, the one trait they all shared was accessibillity. They were always open to anyone, anytime. No condescension.

    1. This is so true! The true disciples of Hyles, Schaap and others of their ilk seem to think they’re so far above you they can’t be bothered with you. If they deign to give you the time of day at all, they will hardly listen to you, then give you a loud answer that has nothing to do with what you were trying to convey to them, and send you on your way.

      The first pastor I knew in my church in Michigan was this way. I only met with him two or three times over the course of his regime at that church. Each time I barely got a few words out of my mouth before he was answering and then after a long winded answer that had nothing to do with what I’d said, I would say, “No, I meant…” and get the same thing. Once I tried to talk to him about a problem I had with my baptism (done years ago in another church) and he barely listened to me, and just said, “You don’t need to be baptized again.”

      A few years later we had a new pastor. Mr Know It All had been asked to leave by the deacon board. This problem I had with my baptism wouldn’t go away. After a year or so with this new pastor, a much more patient and accessible man, I went to him after church on a Sunday morning and asked for an appointment to talk to him. He asked me to meet with him an hour before church that evening. I went in and talked and he listened. He asked a few questions to ascertain everything I’d said. Then he gave me his advice and it was very good advice! He advised me to be baptized again that evening and I was, and since then I have had peace about my baptism. I will always be thankful to him for this.

      Now arriving in this city, it’s a long story, but we ended up with a pastor just like the first one. Mr. Know It All. This is the church we just left for another, and the new pastor is like the second one, a very gentle and patient man who did NOT go to HAC. I am looking forward to many years in this church or until the Lord comes! :mrgreen:

      1. I found that after we left fundamentalism, the seeds of that treatment had gone deep into my soul and I absolutely am ashamed to admit that our last pastor was like that. I think part of the draw was that treatment. It made you feel special if he ever did talk to you and once in a while he would toss out some crumbs to various people and it would make us sheep wish for similar (good) attention. I think it is a manipulation tactic however because as it turned out this guy was a con man and ended up in jail. Our church is 4 million dollars in debt and various church members lost millions to his con game. They know exactly what they are doing when they treat us that way. It is all part of the overall manipulation. Some of the *more successful* ones come by it naturally. I think Schaap may. He was always condescending when he was in college. I think it might have been what Cindy liked about him. In this way he was like her dad.

        1. Ugh, I hate when I feel convicted to pity Cindy. She was such an arrogant, spoiled brat, at HAC! But, i must admit, growing up in a house with a megalomaniac father, an ignored mother, and a pervert brother, then marrying a buffoon who makes her father’s insanity pale in comparison… Plus, her hair is thinning…okay, I do feel bad about that, too, because what if it is stress? Talk about being trapped in your life…. 😮 😯

        2. I didn’t know Cindy. I think Linda was the one I knew. Linda was really sweet and I really did/do feel sorry for her. Cindy always would just breeze past like royalty and she got even WORSE when she and JackHole discovered each other. They gave off a “Don’t even bother trying to talk to us” vibe. (So I didn’t)

        3. Linda was much, much nicer, but after all, we could make the point that how could we expect Cindy to be unscathed by the dysfunction? Perhaps Linda is the stronger person.

    1. Same here. As soon as I clicked the link and saw Schaap, I thought, “Oh, no, gak, gak, gak, Schaap, gak!” (Gak is my word to mean anything rotten, scummy, crummy and lousy and Schaap fits that description to a tee!) At least it wasn’t a video. To think so many people I know in Fundyville are just wild about this guy as they were about his father in law and take every word out of his mouth as though it were gospel.

      I wish this man would just go away. Far far away. 😡

  2. May I assume that Mr. Schaap is erm, not lacking in this world’s goods?

    So why can’t he get a suit that fits?

    (Or on second thoughts, is it his head that’s too small?)

      1. You beat me to it, Sims.
        I was going to say it looks like time for Pin the Tail on the Donkey.

        (Again, I apologize to donkeys. You don’t deserve the comparison, donkeys.)

  3. Stupid phone. No hovertext until I get home tonight. Oh well……

    I was going to reply to Bella that oddly fitted suits seems to be a new style, but we know Schaap would never do anything current. That would ruin the fundy cred.

    1. Yes, happy birthday wishes to you! May the upcoming year see the emotional scars fade even more as you rejoice in the pure love of God through His Son Jesus Christ!

  4. Something very evil in me kind of wants to print this onto sticker paper and paper the glass doors of FBC Hammond with it. Of course I would never do that even if I lived in that area (which I don’t) so settle down trolls. 😯

      1. I will trade cars with my son for it!!! (He has a convertable.) Of course it isn’t registered because it has to pass smog tests, and the top needs to be replaced if we plan to drive anywhere with any kind of weather, and we may want to replace the passenger seat because a feral cat had kittens on it… AW HECK! Lets just rent a car!

  5. I see a pattern emerging in these last two posts. Illiterated sermon outline coming?
    They both start with Con and end with ion and have two sylables between them.

    Any other suggestions? ‘Conflagration’ is the only thing that comes to mind. Oooh, how about ‘constipation’!

      1. Big Gary,

        “They both start with Con and end with ion and have two sylables between them.”

        Con-sub-stan-ti-a-tion.
        Con-ca-te-na-tion.

        Those two words have more than two syllables between the “con” and the “ion”, silly.

    1. I have never thought of it, no. Sims just blew out her computer yesterday, while she was wildly celebrating my birthday, so I will have to check with her. Also, she is better at this than I am. There is something delightfully twisted about her snappy comebacks that leaves me helplessly ROTFL. 😉 However, I am pleased that we have made you smile!

      1. When recently I was trying to explain to a church-friend why I am as messed up as I am when it comes to churches and various church activities, I decided to try and write as many of my experiences as I could think of (while I still have a somewhat functioning memory and brain.)
        I think Seen Enough has read it, but I add to it regularly as I remember more things or as I am reminded of them. FBC Hammond was only the tip of the iceberg for the insanity that has molded me.
        I do enjoy it here and if I knew more about how to would be very happy writing a blog. Or maybe I will just try and figure out how to send you what I already wrote. (Warning: You will fall in LOVE with me after that though so read at your own risk.)

        1. Sims, i am a blogger, so no prob there. It is the hilarious ripostes you come up with that are much needed.

        2. I’m not sure I know what you are talking about. You mean I’m funny? Really? Cuz I was totally serious. Totally.

  6. I found this site a few days ago and my mother and I have been laughing hysterically at how true all this is! (we were both born into IFB homes: she still attends an IFB church.) Entertaining.

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