154 thoughts on “Strange Comparisons”

      1. I really do like this age b/c my kiddos are little older now, teen and preteen, so it’s nice to have more time for myself. Not only that, but I DO have so much to be thankful for.

        I’ve been outta the IFB for almost 10 years now and I finally had enough when one BJU pastor down here in Va asked me “when are you going to get involved in church” after I just told him in tears that my jaw was dislocated and I needed surgery. I was in so much freakin’ pain and that’s ALL he could say!! Not only that, but I was really scared too. I mean, I was talking about my skull being broken, ya know. πŸ™„

        Hubby bought me supplies for learning watercolor painting for our anniversary in May and it’s lots of fun and it relieves stress too!

        1. I was there from 92-94 as a new believer and talk about culture shock. I was really a wallflower b/c I didn’t have some big wig pastor daddy nor did I have some type of musical talent.

          Weniger was president and I got interested b/c his son Tim was the youth pastor at my church in northern IL. I’ve googled Tim and Shelly Weniger and I’ve learned that they are both now divorced. Not only that, but Arno’s 2nd wife divorced him too when she found out what he was really like. It just sad that the IFB destroys so many marriages.

    1. OK. Since you attended Calvary Baptist, Watertown, let me give you a Bill Lincoln birthday greeting: “How thankful we are for your wonderful, marvelous, glorious birthday. We pray that it it will that which honor, exalts, magnifies and glorifies our………” At least that the way he talked when I was at MBBC. He usually used those words about the facilities at CBCS. Also, I remember these two other often used quotes: “Meet us here, meet the Lord in prayer.” and “How thankful we are for wooing, mowing, drawing of the Spirit of God.” In the dorms we would say, “the oooing, gooing, mooing, chewing.” Oh, thing you remember about MBBC life!

      1. *Correction to the quote: should be “moving” of the Spirit”. And, of course, it should “At least that’s the way he talked” and not “that the way he talked”.

        1. If I ever post here again, I may take all day to proofread before I submit. I am ashamed of all my errors. Just try to figure out what my reply was supposed to say. Which shouldn’t be too hard if you know Wild Bill Lincoln. Only remember, if you do read out loud a quote by him wth a string of adjectives and/or verbs, read it very slowly!

        2. No worries there! I forget that there is no edit button here like there is in the forum and then I post without editing. Just blame it on that! πŸ˜‰

        1. Yes! Woot! Woot!

          Now I know who all the ex-MBBCers are.

          I actually met my hubby in WI after my parents moved there from northern IL. We ended up living there for almost ten years until we moved to VA in 2003. I don’t miss the cold winters up by ya’ll!

          We were married in First Baptist Church in West Bend, WI whose pastor was an NBBC grad. And then we moved away from there to a small town an hour north of Madison b/c the housing was much more affordable. I told my hubby the other day that God moved us to a small town that didn’t have a church nearby to slowly wean us away from the IFB.

      2. LOL! Thanks for that Stinkin’ Lincoln’ Birthday wishes!

        My hubby and I attended Calvary a few times after we were married and had two old biddies tell me I should take my daughter in the bathroom and spank her for being scared to stay in Sunday School by herself. We walked out to never return.

  1. One question: is the man burning at the stake a heathen Catholic who worships Mary and refusing to accept the KJV, or a noble Protestant martyr who is literally defending the KJV to the very death? Makes all the difference in the world.
    The Jesus shirt doesn’t count unless you’re being pelted by feces by the worldly masses. πŸ˜€

        1. The links bring to light some facts that were previously suppressed. Thank you for that.

          However, there is some language in them that makes me somewhat skeptical that the authors may also be ‘coloring’ the truth. Statements from the first link describe those who as about Servetus as, “those who are not in accord with the great doctrines of grace, as taught by Paul and Calvin.” Usually, the hardcore 5 point Calvinist are the only ones who make the accusation that those who disagree with Calvin (or their interpretation of him rather) also disagree with Paul.

          Another attempts to justify what happened by saying that it was “in accordance with the spirit of the age.” I can think of a lot of things today that are in accordance with the spirit of the age that a believer is not supposed to be a part of.

          I think Calvin was a very serious believer who made a very serious error; that’s it. He’s not unlike many from the bible that we look at as men of God. Sorry to hijack to point of the post. And, again, thank you for the links. They color in the picture that most just paint as black and white.

        2. Don – I’m no type of ass. I also don’t worship men, and attempt to torture history to make it support my theological heroes. But calvinists are very good at torturing bible verses to make them “conform” to their man-made theology, so it would come as no surprise that they would attempt to do the same with history.

          You usually demonstrate much more “sense” than this, and are more humble. In other words, with this bold push to make Servetus the bad guy and justify your heroes murderous actions against him, you have shown us all what you really are.

          Thank you for your honesty!

        3. Hey Ronnie,

          I found out what you are you are alittle “remora”!

          You see after the big fish have engaged, you come in snipping at the little nuggets, and then reattach to the host fish.

          But ater you’ve been at SFL awhile, you will probably learn to say something original or interesting, and then you may attract some Remoras! πŸ˜€

        4. @greg

          2 Timothy 2:24-25

          “The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition”

        5. So greg do you agree with Servetus’ theology?

          And it is really interesting how we judge 16th century actions by 21st century mores. Talk about revisionist history…

          I’m not saying it was right to kill him but it was done legally, by the government. He had his day in court and was found guilty. In that time and that culture tribunals mixed religious cannon with secular law. (normally I don’t like to quote Wikipedia but this quote shows a glimpse of the cultural mindset)

          for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit.”

          In other words, heresy was considered to be against the public good. Anyone who was accused of heresy was brought to trial, and in the case of Geneva whoever made the accusations of heresy was also incarcerated for the duration of the trial.

          What I find so interesting is given his heresy why is Servertus such a hero? It seems that he is more the hero for being a way to attack John Calvin than anything else. I guess secondly he is revered for his Independent stand against orthodox religion. *if only he was Baptist…*

          And my statement still stands.
          You are greg Quixote de la Fundia, mounted in front of your keyboard, “Rocinante”, you go typing full tilt at the windmills you call Calvinsim and Homosexuality. You are a single minded fundie crusader, for your’s is the only opinion you accept or tolerate. You do not see the fundie in your posts and your attitude, where you demonstrate an obsession with your need to be right and all dissenters will be subjected to your righetous indignation.

        6. Never said, or thought Servetus was a hero, and no I do not agree with his theology. I also don’t think it was ok to kill him.

          Your little rant at the end of your comment is very telling. On your journey out of fundyism, you have latched onto yet another man-dominated, man-made belief system, and are attaching yourself to it as zealously as you did the first belief system! Let me encourage you to vigorously examine this belief system also! I would love for you to defend and fight for the cause of Christ as strongly as you defend this man-made belief system.

          What’s really funny is that I do defend my stances vigorously, but always with the Scriptures, and I think that’s where I intimidate you so much. You see, I too am finding my way out of fundyism, seeking answers to the big questions, but instead of trying to find a church or a group of some sinful men to pitch in with, I have placed my faith, trust, religion on nothing but God and the Scriptures and them alone! I don’t think anyone has admitted more times that me that I could be wrong or that I don’t have all the answers more than me, but when that hammer of Scripture comes crashing down on some silly man’s pathetic theology, watch out!

          Hey I know your a good guy and I wish you well, and hope your next incarnation, will not have so much man-made philosphy clinging to it!

        7. I would love for you to defend and fight for the cause of Christ as strongly as you defend this man-made belief system. **

          Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

          **You really should to go back over the years here at SFL and re-read my postings if you believe this to be true.

        8. For the record, yes you have definitely defended the cause of Christ and have written some marvellous stuff!

          Of course so did Spurgeon, but always through those calvinistic lenses.

          I don’t consider your faith vain, not at all, but I consider all 5 points, to be false.

      1. but given the 1555 date to go with it they were probably trying to depict a martyr under the reign of that Catholic “Bloody Mary.”

    1. That’s a hard one! It all depends on what sort of Protestant person is being burnt at that stake. It could be a God-fearing, defender of the faith Anglican like Latimer and Ridley, or it could be a no-good, baby-sprinkling, transubstantiationizing, wine-swilling Anglican like Cranmer.

  2. Well, the kid on the right is obviously liberal with his faux hawk.

    Not to mention, his tshirt version of Jesus looks like Bob Marley.

  3. I posit that clothes are made Christian by the wearer.

    And that clothes loudly proclaiming association with Christ have the tendency to become Pharisaical. “I thank God that I dress not as other men…” πŸ™„

  4. Am I the only one who gets irritated by the “Jesus is My Homeboy” T-shirts? I’m not going to hate someone for wearing one, but it always felt like it was done with a spirit of irreverance. That might just be because Ashton Kutcher was one of the first people to wear one though.

    1. No, you are not the only one. They symbolize the same cultural Christian “judge me by my clothes” attitude that the fundies of previous generations had with their suits. I hate that Jesus can be bought and sold as a fashion accessory!

    2. Replied before I saw your comment but completely agree. I’m not condemning people who wear witness t-shirts and generally they convey a better message but this one is lowbrow. Our lives are supposed to be a witness and they speak louder than t-shirts. Of course at my church you were challenged to wear a Christian t-shirt to show the world how “on fire for Jesus” you are. So if you didn’t what did that mean? I had no idea Ashton wore one.

      1. Why I like Christian t-shirts:
        1. If someone walks around with the Avengers on his chest, I don’t know why one wouldn’t want to publicly declare one’s allegiance to the Bible in a similar way.
        2. Some are attractive or interesting.
        3. In my circles, Christian tees were seen as something only worldly evangelicals would wear, so I like them partly because they were denied us.

        Why I don’t like Christian tees:
        1. No one should insist that all Christians should wear one or that people who do are somehow holier or more committed.
        2. Sometimes a t-shirt or a bumper sticker is the full extent of certain people’s Christian life.
        3. Many t-shirts are foolish or borderline blasphemous. I don’t like the homeboy one. I also didn’t like God’s Gym (“Bench press THIS!” showing Jesus doing pushups with the cross) and the one with the Budweiser logo (“This blood’s for you”).
        4. I personally don’t like wearing t-shirts (unless they’re specifically made for women like Old Navy styles).

        1. Pastor Bill Edacity rants against the “lazy bums that would rather wear some T-shirt with a cute saying instead of working on a bus route or going soul-winning”

          I like you post; I haven’t seen many Christian T-shirts in good taste. When I was in high school, a common one was “in case of rapture, this T-shirt will be empty”

        2. “4. I personally don’t like wearing t-shirts (unless they’re specifically made for women like Old Navy styles).”

          You mean big boxy t-shirts that make you feel frumpy aren’t your thing? Nothing wrong with that!

        3. Regarding the blasphemous seeming ones: worst one I ever saw was at the time Taco Bell was using the chihuahua advertising campaign with “Yo quiero Taco Bell”. A kid came to school showing off his new shirt which had a very similar looking chihuahua on it and said “Yo quiero Jesus”. I wanted to ask him why he thinks it is okay to reduce the savior of the world to a knock-off of a fast food commercial.

        4. I always hated the “Jesus Hellfighter” parodies of the Tommy Hilfiger shirts. It struck me somehow that Jesus isn’t really a “hellfighter” is he? Isn’t he just going to chuck hell into the lake of fire in the end? Not much of a fight if you ask me!

    3. Not the only one, but personally I just don’t like any shirts with names plastered on them. Like Hollister, Aero, et al.

  5. Oh sheesh…just look at their ideas for “House Church” and “Public Ministry” in their What We Believe section…

    1. Wow absolutely crazy..I guess they have bouncers at their church checking who is saved and who isn’t.

  6. That website really brings in a lot of beliefs “hard core” fundies have about the present day non fundamentalist church, doesn’t it?

  7. FROM THE ABOVE KJ VIDEO WEBSITE HOME PAGE: First and foremost, is our belief in the perfect authority and innerancy of the KING JAMES VERSION. We do not teach that it is an β€œaccurate translation” or that it β€œcontains the words (or message) of God”, but that the text of the KING JAMES VERSION itself, are the actual written words of God to the English speaking people.

    I are (sic) confused, especially about the phrase “English-speaking people”. What about my French- and German-speaking relatives in France and Germany? What about those who were originally living in Switzerland and probably spoke a Swiss dialect as well? Just what Bible should they be reading since they all have no (or very limited)English skills?

    I can’t figure out if this is all tongue-in-cheek or dead serious. Can someone explain? Thx!

    1. They reference Ruckman, so my guess is if you don’t speak God’s language (i.e. Elizabethan English), then you need to read how to speak it then get you a good ole 1611AV KJB. πŸ™„

    2. Remember, if William Shakespeare is good enough for Jesus Christ, then he’s more than good enough for the likes of us! and yes I know it’s probably just a legend, but why let silly old reality get in the way of a good story?
      One argument in favor of Shakespeare writing the Bible, nobody would tinker with, let alone update SHAKESPEARE, would they? The Bard’s Words are Divine, written with a feather plucked from the very wings of angels. case closed 😈

  8. 1. Can’t people use proper grammar? Right on the front of the page it says, “If your thirsty…..”

    If you want to use the Queen’s English (or the King’s English, for that matter), please use it properly.

    2. The verses on the screen heresy? Please. It’s called modern technology. It’s like verses on a paper only more environmentally friendly.

    3. True Christians are whole apples and one sinner corrupts? I sure am glad there are no sinners in my church or we’d all be rotten people in need of a Savior.

    4. False preachers mooching off the people and deceiving them? There may be some truth to that….

    1. They forgot to put that rotten apple up on a platform, behind a pulpit. That would have been an accurate representation of fundy churches.

    2. They forgot to put that rotten apple up on a platform, behind a pulpit. That would have been a very accurate representation of fundy churches.

  9. The apples picture is a perfect example of the attitude of IFBers. They believe they are the “True Christians” and that they aren’t sinners. smh

  10. The site is. Like. Wow

    FWIW, my thoughts:

    1) I’ve always wanted to wear something similar to the tunic. Maybe not wool (scratchy), but something similar. Thinking it would make me feel like a Jedi!

    2) “Christian” t-shirts, caps, etc., sometimes make my stomach turn. (Admittedly, I’ve had a few that I’ve worn because someone gave them to me.) Some are irreverent to the point of blasphemy. I also think about Jesus’ reaction to merchandising in the temple.

    3) Has anyone else ever wondered what you would do if Peter or Stephen looked over at you in heaven and asked, “so what kind of persecution did you face as a Christ-follower”? Granted, the conversation isn’t likely, but I’m going to hate saying, “I wore a Christian t-shirt and someone laughed at me” or “Well, I had a Christian bumper sticker and someone gave me the finger.”

    1. Although not quite a full tunic, I would recommend a Snuggie. I regularly wear mine around the house in the winter, and it looks pretty fabulous if I do say so myself.

      1. I’m sorry, but no matter how ardent your faith, you just look like a dork if you’re being burned to death while wearing a Snuggie. :mrgreen:

    2. Find your local chapter of the Society for Creative Anachronism (sca.org)and join up. You can wear a tunic every weekend, along with other nifty stuff. You won’t feel quite like a Jedi, but if you work at it, you can turn into a pretty good Medieval nobleman.

  11. If anyone wishes to donate to this ministry he asks that you not write a check to “King James Video Ministries” but rather to him personally, Bryan Denlinger. 😯

  12. Anybody else see this quote from the site? Things that make you go hmmmm…

    “(PLEASE NOTE: Do NOT throw out your KJV Bible if it doesn’t match this list perfectly! Just make the necessary changes yourself. These spelling variations are made by the publishers, and most of them are NOT doctrinal.)”

    1. I saw that. I was going through the comments before I parroted somebody with a rant. My reply would be that their are no doctrinal changes in any of my translations. Of course, that would be followed by “Jesus is removed from the other versions. The blood is removed from the other versions.” Even when you show the error of this line of thought, you lose to willful ignorance.

      It’s sad that he thinks so little of his target audience to assume that they need help knowing the difference between spelling and doctrine.

      1. Just out of curiosity, I used the web to see how often Jesus appeared in the KJV and modern versions. I found out that KJV uses the word Jesus about a hundred times LESS than other versions, or even more (or less?) than that. 😯

  13. I think the lesson is that Christians should wear clothes. πŸ™‚

    Seriously, everyone wore tunics back then.

  14. Jesus is NOT my homeboy and it’s really a shame anybody thought that phrase up. As far as the comparison… I doubt the Apostles(mostly martyred) would wear that shirt today but I can’t be sure. I realize most people who wear this kind of thing probably really love Jesus, or their version of Him, and probably just want to reach people but still is it necessary??? He does call us Friend but He’s Prophet, Priest and King and let’s not forget it. Stepping off soapbox.

      1. I have a modicum of street cred having had diverse associations over the years which you wouldn’t believe by looking at me. The meaning doesn’t escape me. It’s often said with total sincerity, just like Dude, Bro, Homey… or any other colloquialism for a close friend. However, if you understand Who Jesus is, what He has done and what He will do are you really still going to sling that kind of terminology around? Even if you grew up only hearing slang could you not understand how to address someone in authority? We can cry out “Father” some people say “Daddy” and maybe for some people that is how they see “homeboy” and if so I’m sure Jesus understands. Just so long as someone has taught them what an amazing privilege that He calls us His friends considering Who He is and is opening up His other offices of Prophet, Priest and King. I’ve found that trying to teach people in slang vernacular sometimes leads to dumbing down doctrine too. It’s churches trying to reach people in a palatable way. That’s what I see behind it but it’s probably very individualized so I try not to judge a person in a goofy but well meaning shirt.

  15. So … Wearing a “Jesus” T-shirt is like being burned at the stake?

    Wait, what??? 😯 πŸ‘Ώ

    1. No, the cartoonist is mocking modern-day Christians as unworthy. We’re not getting burned at the stake while wearing a wool tunic so we’re not committed enough. It’s probably also a slam on contemporary churches with casual dress codes.

      The cartoonist could have also put in the 2012 picture a guy in a three-piece suit with an iPad and keys to his Escalade. That too is a huge contrast to the martyr.

      1. PW, you are so right, as usual. I was reading about persecution of Christians in the horrific camps of North Korea the other day. It really puts our consumer-driven “blessings of God” American “Christianity” into perspective quick!

  16. So, the lesson is…..wear a wool tunic and you’ll be burned at the stake? ❓ 😯

  17. Dear SFL Readers:

    I visited today’s featured website. I have my own thoughts on it, but I’m not sure that this is the appropriate place to discuss religious masturbation.

    Christian Socialist

      1. Dear Eric:

        Thank you for the reply. Your post leads me to make the following observations.

        1] You are indeed correct that I had not read ‘Sex Week in Fundistan.’

        2] Having read it, I can say authoritatively that everyone here is light years ahead of me in that department. πŸ˜†


        Christian Socialist

  18. Just a few points:
    1. This is likely an illustration from Foxe’s Actes and Monuments, which means it is a martyr from Mary I’s period (apparently 1555, according to the label), which means it was PRE-1611, which means this martyr DID NOT read the KJV. Here’s the story Foxe includes in his 1576 edition of Actes and Monuments:

    2. The person being burned was FORCED to wear the tunic as he was being put to death.

  19. I used to have a “Jesus is my Homeboy” t-shirt. I loved wearing it because of the reactions I would get. Some people thought I was wearing it to pronounce my faith, and they would give me encouragement. Others, thought I was wearing it to be funny. I don’t wear it anymore because I’m too old to wear such t-shirts.

    1. Glad I’m not the only one. I mostly dislike Christian Tshirts because they’re so earnest and to me send the message that the wearer takes him/herself a bit too seriously. (That said, I am in a location where t-shirts of this kind are not fashionable, especially on women.)

      On the other hand, I think “Jesus is my homeboy” is awesome. It’s irreverent. It’s meant to be – especially with the smily, arms-out Jesus. The message I get is that God doesn’t take himself too seriously (unlike some of his followers) and has a sense of humour. I would totally wear one.

  20. The “Megachurch” vs. “Smaller Church That Preaches the Truth” cartoon is revealing. Looks like somebody’s feeling a wee bit inadequate.

  21. I don’t particularly care for the T-shirt in the picture, but you might look a little odd walking around in a woolen robe today in the US. Sometimes it’s hard to strike a balance between the two with all the millions of other clothing styles available.

  22. I love how he conflates organized visitation efforts with getting out the Gospel:

    “ALL of our members are required to do something to get out the gospel. (2 Corinthians 5:18-21) Whether it be street preaching, door to door visitation, (Acts 20:20) passing out gospel tracts, or even preparing the information that we distribute, ALL members must help with some aspect of the ministry.”

    1. It’s the old Baptist heresy that assumes that the Great Commission was given to every believer. In spite of the fact that Paul makes clear that we are given many different gifts.

      1. I think the Bible makes it clear that the Great Commission is given to every believer. The trouble is when churches insist that, despite the wide variety of gifts and creativity that God has given to His children, there are only 3-4 ways to get the Gospel out, and all of them are dependent on having a single personality type.

  23. Excellent website. Highly recommended.

    Remember, the God that gave us the “inspired” originals is the same in 1611 and 2012 and didn’t just fold his arms up and say well, I only inspire “originals” but will leave rest the translation up TO MEN! Anyone that thinks that is either stupid or decieved.

    1. I hope you are kidding, but I think perhaps you are not. You seem to be making a LOT of assumptions:

      (1) You seem to be assuming that the “original” manuscripts making up the current books of the 1611 King James Version are themselves inspired in their entirety without any error and are Scripture. On what authority to you base such an assumption? (Please don’t waste my time with glib quotes such as “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.” I want to know how you know that the original manuscipts are “Scripture” in the first place and how you know that they are without error.)

      (2) You seem to be assuming that God has not preserved the original manuscripts without error to the present time. Please explain why a God that is powerful enough to inspire and preserve a TRANSLATION is not powerful enough to preserve His originals.

      (3) You seem to be assuming that a translation is ordained of God. What if God wanted us to learn the original languages to read his Word? What if it was rank blasphemy and heresy to translate His Holy Hebrew and Greek into English?

      (4) You seem to be assuming that God can only inspire and preserve ONE translation into English. Why couldn’t He just as easily inspire and preserve 100 or 1,000,000 translations? You seem to be assuming that only ONE translation can be inspired because there can’t possibly be differences between translations. Please explain why God is so small and powerless that He is only capable of preserving His Word as it is presented in ONE particular set of wordings and phrasings in ONE particular Bible. Why couldn’t God allow more than one translation of some of His Words into English?

      (5) You seem to be assuming that the King James Version is an error-free rendering of the original texts. Scholarship has demonstrated time and again that this is not the case. Therefore, if God attempted to perfectly preserve His Word in the King James Version, He failed in that attempt. You have therefore blasphemed God by attributing to HIM an erroneous translation.

      Jesus Christ invites you to find salvation in Him as the Living Word. Worship of any book, including the Bible itself, is false religion.

    2. Who do you think translated the KJV – unicorns? The translators of the 1611 KJV wrote a foreward that stated their work wasn’t perfect, and that the version was not to be worshiped. But somewhere along the line, the foreward was removed and someone decided that the version was more important than the message.

  24. Apples. Loved the illustration.
    Healthy looking apples = Christians
    Healthy looking apples with one rotten one = one sinner among the Christians
    All rotten apples = what the one sinner did to the whole church.

  25. As a woman, I actually don’t like wearing message T-shirts – something so awkward about people reading my chest…

  26. Oxford martyrs? Shouldn’t be Cranmer. There are a bunch of guys killed in Britain that year, thanks to regime churn.

  27. Moral of the pictures:

    A poly-cotton blend will give you less of a chance of being burned at the stake than wool. Avoid wool.

    1. A poly-cotton blend may save you from burning at the stake, but it could get you stoned to death. πŸ˜‰

  28. Does anyone else see irony in the cartoon depicting the starving “deceived church member” feeding his tithes to the fat “false preacher”?

    1. For sure trying to figure that out will send you in a tailspin. But don’t they… isn’t that… Huh…?

  29. When I looked at the martyr, I thought that maybe it was a heretic being burned in Geneva, during the theocracy that John Calvin imposed. As for the “Jesus is my Homeboy” T-shirt, I think it’s in bad taste. If I recall correctly, “homeboy” or “homie” is what certain people in gangs call their fellow members. With that said, I don’t think ALL witness tees are tasteless. What if someone embroidered a cross on the lapel pocket of their solid-color tee, for example? I’d certainly take a second look then, not to be lustful or anything.

  30. I love some of the pro-life shirts.

    Choose life………your mother did!

    Save the baby…..humans!

    Not crazy about alot of the christian t-shirts

  31. Dear SFL Reader:

    After a day’s thought, the best I can offer this one is to note how over time the notion of a Christian witness has evolved.

    Once it was martyrdom. Now it is a shirt with kitschy art and lousy slogans.

    I’ll leave it for others to decide whether this progression is forward or backward movement.

    Christian Socialist

    1. Yeah, that’s the way I read it. I don’t tend to wear “message” shirts of any variety, but I don’t usually mind them. The “homeboy” reference is too over the top for my taste.

  32. I would love for you to defend and fight for the cause of Christ as strongly as you defend this man-made belief system. **

    Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

    **You really should to go back over the years here at SFL and re-read my postings if you believe this to be true.

  33. Upon reflection, while I find the site amusing(as with all Ruckman-affiliated “ministries), this actually could have been an effective picture if the caption had read, “Christian Witness”.
    Instead, the focus is shifted away from the deeds and onto the clothing, which makes no sense. Heads-up–in the 1500s, the wool tunic was no more an article of clothing exclusive to Christians than a t-shirt would be today. πŸ™„

  34. @Greg, isn’t ALL theology man-made? Isn’t theology our understanding of God and his ways?

    Just wondering….

Comments are closed.