education, king james version Trial by Combat February 9, 2015 Darrell 110 Comments So if a Roman Catholic team or a team full of Gay Atheist Democrats beats the Eagles then what does that mean? Eh, “Dr.” Monte?
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PCC should play Notre Dame to determine the superiority of the Pope.
Then BYU? Then Aligarh Muslim University in India? (Their cricket team is probably first-rate.)
Fundies: inept at doctrines, standards, and especially humor. They take the “fun” out of fundamental.
And they talk through their fundaments
Good 17th-century pun there.
It proves that sports are evil. Unless you win, then they are ok.
Regulative Principle Of Worship – There are no Biblical examples of Jesus participating in sports. Therefore both PCC and BJU (*snort “BJ You”), are both guilty of idolatry and damnable heresy. Let it be known amongst all men. And now with every head bowed and every eye closed, let me see a show of hands.
Is he trying to be funny?
That would be my guess. “Trying” being the operative word here. Of course – and I mean this in the kindest possible way – watching PCC and BJU play basketball is kind of like watching a couple of downs-syndrome babies playing hide and seek. Cute and funny in its own sort of way, but in the end everyone really loses.
Meh, I think it’s comparable to watching junior college basketball. They’re pretty good athletes, but can’t compete with NBAers or UKers obv.
Of course. The mog doesn’t have to be actually funny, since the sheeple are programmed to laugh at the appropriate pauses.
Pavlov drools ok
No, he’s not being funny. This was an issue back in the day. Must still be in his mind.
Back in the ’80s I heard many a chapel sermon from Jr. and Triplestyx on the ills of intercollegiate sports: When we begin that sort of stuff, we will end up having drunks on campus, playing their rock and roll music. We don’t need to water down our separation for the applause of men. Intramural sports is the Godly way.
…I do not exaggerate. So sad when even our competition for fun and school spirit gets placed under the microscope of “God’s favorite.” Sounds like a little reaping of what was sown by previous leaders of BJU.
PCC and BJU. They deserve each other.
Y.ep Intercollegiate sports are the start of a slipoery slope to egotistical BMOCs running rampant.
I was a BJU student in the late 90s / early 2000s and I remember TripleStyx saying the same thing. Along with saying that American football was banned due to “insurance reasons.”
The insurance bit might have been legit. When I was a youth director, our liability insurance policy specifically stated it would not cover injuries from football. It also mentioned water slides, which I found out in the middle of a youth activity in which we had an epic 200-foot water slide behind our fellowship building. Fortunately, no hospital visits on that date. (My wife did suffer a concussion on a water slide during an youth activity off-site, so perhaps there’s some valid reasoning behind the exclusion.)
I remember a news report from years ago of slip-n-slides being particularly hazardous for adults, resulting in sometimes paralyzing neck injuries. Never-the-less, my daughter had a giant one at her wedding reception.
Just let students drink and play rock’n’roll, and cut out the middle man.
It seems clear that BJUIII’s prophetic ranting about the other fundy schools who were supporting intercollegiate sports and regional accreditation being perched perilously upon a slipperly slope above new-evangelical compromise were simply the angry words of a loser.
The schools that ignored him and went about the business of building quality educational programs and proving their academic chops with qualified instructors and transparent reporting while participating competitively in organizations like the NCAA and NCCAA are solid and maybe even growing (in a shrinking demographic) while BJU is slashing and burning to keep the lights on.
Hindsight may be 20/20, but sometimes it is only useful to watch your clown car drive off a cliff.
But wait! What kind of a game was this? Ultimate Kick-boxing, or tiddlywinks?
What are the chances of the good Dr. having an honorary doctorate? My guess, 100%.
From his bio on the church web site:
Pastor Monte is a 1989 graduate of Bob Jones University (Summa Cum Laude), holding a Bachelor of Arts degree in Bible. He graduated from Pensacola Theological Seminary in 2007 with a Master of Ministries degree. In addition, he was awarded an honorary doctorate in 2005 for work related to exposing the dangers of radical Islam in America.
Wow. I guess we marched together at graduation. I’m so embarrassed. But then, He’s a DOCTOR now. I’m still a mechanic with just an Associates Degree. And a lot of self-study on my own, which involves researching both sides of topics to try to determine truth instead of listening to only the local Baptist Pope for my beliefs.
I went to HS with him. He (and his twin brother–YES, there are 2) are a couple years older than me, so we didn’t march together. But…yeah. Forth Baptist Christian School, Minneapolis, MN. Part of Fourth Baptist Church, one of the biggest IFB bastions in the Twin Cities…and my parents’ church. :Sigh:
Wow! I’ve heard of a Second Baptist, and thought that was hilarious. A FOURTH Baptist Church? That takes the cake!
Connie, I’m a mid-90’s graduate of Fourth Baptist. They were still extremely fundy then, but they’ve lost a lot of their fundy credentials since then. Central Seminary no longer has the support of many of the area IFB churches due to not having a KJB-only stance, and the school’s dress code has loosened considerably. I even know several members of the church don’t believe that alcohol is forbidden.
IFB they may still be, but they’re hardly still one of the biggest bastions of it in the Twin Cities. 🙂
It was called that because it was originally on Fourth Street. 🙂
@Mag: Since I don’t go there, I guess it’s hard telling by my parents, as they’re still stalwart IFBers.
Greetings from the class of 03!
He can’t let you see his work on the dangers of radical Islam in America, because then he’d have to kill you.
Glad that he was honored with a DD for his work spreading fear and hatred of Muslims /sarcasm/
I guess I shared the campus with him too. Strange that I have no recollection of him.
It was nice of the good doctor to tweet his dissertation out for us to read.
This should be a Friday Challenge. How many logical fallacies, wrong doctrine and fundy sacred cows can you fit into a Tweet? The person who beats Dr. Monte wins!
Hmm, I’m an extremely retentive person who bought his own DD just to prove their worthlessness. But I never thought about tweeting my dissertation. Anyone have any suggestions? Since I am no longer fundy, I am actually open to ideas.
Topic: An honorary doctorate is more honorable than an earned doctorate, because, you know, it has the word “honorary” in it.
Brilliant and much deeper than my favorite evangelical tweet, “Jesus Frees us.”
I like how Midwestern foolish tweets look as silly when visiting the West Coast as from my normal East Coast vantage point.
Everyone knows God has nothing better to do than play favorites with 2 very insignificant “universities”. Also this is a very poor attempt at humor-it’s not funny at all.
To which of the series of “Received Texts” are you referring? Erasmus’ original or subsequent? Or the edition printed about fifty years after the King James Translation was first published, at which time the phrase “Textus Receptus” was first used? Have you actually studied this issue, or just read Riplinger’s fictional account?
( I would tweet this as a response, but it’s too long for a tweet, and I have trouble with 140 character theological discussion)
And I’d like to add: Do you include the deuterocanonical books, just like the 1611 KJV did? (It’s always so convenient to leave that little point out)
Amen! I sat through a series of classes in my old IFB dedicated to teaching me KJVO. I was hooked on the premise for a while, then I downloaded this awesome KJV bible on my computer that contained the deuterocanonical books. I was shocked, but then I laughed and shook my head. The same man who taught KJV only was the same man who taught that the Catholic Church was, let me just say, “bad.” A little bit of a conflict of interest there, teacher… End of controversy for me.
I think I can help you get that tweet down to a tweetable 140.
Which o da RTs U talkin? Rasmus’ ridge or atta? Or da ed writ fitty yrs atta the KJT first pubd, wen day rit da frase Textus Receptus? U lern da issue, or jus red Rip’s rap?
Dr. Eric – I am bestowing upon you an honorary doctorate in tweeting. You can add some letters to the end of your name.
… but that would make your tweets longer.
Thank you, Scorpio! I shall wield it with puffed up pride.
For your encouragement, I bequeath unto you the honorary doctor of helps.
WOW. I’m speechless. Mrs. Wilver thinks you have the gift of Twitter Rapping. I’d give you a Grammy in that category.
I’m speechless…so maybe this will capture my thoughts
That’s too funny
I had forgotten this was a fight between these two camps.
I won’t remember again.
Dummy here – how exactly are PCC and BJU opposed regarding Textus Receptus? Do they hold different views?
One is inspired, one isn’t. You can be a Christian with one, you can’t be with the other.
Yes, it’s that simple.
I don’t know for sure, but I believe BJU teaches greek out of Wescott Hort and they certain accept about any version of the Bible you want to use (probably would cause some commotion if you brought the Message, or the New World Translation). When I was at PCC it was more or less declared that Wescott & Hort was an abomination and all translations proceeding from it were damnable heresies. It was a rather shocking chapel sermon in the mid to late 90s from Dell Johnson, as before that I was under the impression that PCC was pro-Wescott & Hort, or at least accepting of it as equal.
All of the pastors/wives at my former church went to BJU but now they say it’s gone liberal – so the kids/grandkids are going to Crown
First of all, there is no “Westcott Hort” text. There is the Nestle Aland and the UBS. NA is on its 26th or so, UBS is on its 4th I think (editions, I mean). Both owe their heritage to Westcott and Hort’s work. The PCC position is fiction, as in whole cloth fabrication, as in they invent their own “facts”. And then argue them at a kindergarten level. And then put them in videos. And then force the students to watch them at gun point. Ok, I made up the gunpoint thing. BJU, while encouraging the use of the KJV from the pulpit, understands how the Greek language actually works, and the history of our manuscripts, and so – like every other seminary in the world that isn’t fundy – uses a modern text.
My bad on Wescott Hort. I’ve been so indoctrinated with that name, it’s a habit. Thanks for the info. Very true on PCC’s inventing a position. I suspect it was more of a marketing/branding decision, and they used whatever logic the Horton’s approved. I was very hurt by Dell Johnson going that direction. I think he’s a great person and a lot of fun, but I had a lot more faith in his intellectual honesty before that chapel sermon.
I am curious what they think of the Message version at BJU. My guess they would frown on but accept it, but I don’t really know.
I hear ya. Dell was a great guy, but the text shennanigans were, well, shennanigans.
Doc Proc, did you *really* make up the gunpoint bit? Spiritual or real?
“Spiritual Gunpoint” – I like that – very descriptive. I ‘ve always referred to the concept of forced fundy indoctrination and brain washing as “Spritual Blackmail”, but I think both descriptions can be used as one and the same
*singing* “Start the bus, woo!”
The only permissible form of trash talk we were aloud at PCC.
None of these Mogs are funny…not a single one.
They whitewash the sepulchres of their holy men, erect monuments to their perceived greatness, establish their own gospels, and lord it over God’s people.
Cracking a joke doesn’t help.
I’m hoping “Dr.” Monte is joking, but he may not be.
Call me after PCC beats BYU (Brigham Young University), “Doctor,” and we’ll talk about whose scripture is best.
Well…the Bob Jones women’s team won both games against PCC but I guess that really doesn’t count in the patriarchal fundy world…
What depths of stupidity! As if God actually demonstrates the superiority of a position that way!
Okay, I admit it. It is kinda-sorta-wishy-washy “Biblical.” David beats Goliath, so God wins. Elijah beats the Baal priests, so God wins. And Pharaoh enslaves the Hebrews so God loses. God then demands a rematch.
Celestial pissing match? (Yes, a vulgar expression. Appropriate for a vulgar idea.)
Of course, the guy could be joking. Somehow I doubt it. It reminds me of Pat Robertson in all seriousness attributing Hurricane Sandy to God’s judgment on gays. All the straight victims were just collateral damage.
And the KJV-only argument is so infantile (mentally, spiritually, and so on!). Yet PCC has decided that all the truth of God rests on this one issue.
Funny that. Jesus said that all the Law and the Prophets rested on “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Micah said that God’s requirements are to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God. PCC says “only accept the KJV.”
Fundamentalism is the spiritual equivalent of bovine spongiform encephalitis.
Mad Sacred Cow Disease?
There are more sacred cows in fundystan than there are in India
Mad Sacred Cow disease ftw.
No it’s not. BSE requires the presence of a brain.
…and a cow.
…a MAD cow at that.
My mother-in-law says, “Hey Eric, know why they call it ‘PMS’? Because ‘mad cow’ was already taken.”
I think that is a disgusting sexist joke. And I love that my MIL tells it.
Because they are already full of bull.
rtg – I thought Hurricane Katrina was God’s judgment on TEH GAYZ. Although I am sure there are some whack jobs who thought Hurricane Sandy was judgment for some perceived slight. After all, the Joplin, MO. tornado was God’s judgment on America for not 100% embracing Israeli actions in the Middle East. Or so said my old pastor.
And did you know that WW1 was caused by Christians voting? I have that on good, well no not good but, on authority.
I wonder how they back *that* up with scripture…
Nah, he backed it up by repeating it and then quoting himself.
What scripture do these people use when they say Christians should not vote? (Real question)
How it was discussed in the close PBs was that God has his plans for this world and as Christians we are not to mess with them. We are to be in the world, not of the world. Voting is trying to make the world a better place and the world is destined for fire and we should concentrate on the lost not the political systems of the world. Also the unequally yoked verse was quoted, voting seemed to them to be attaching oneself to a political party. The systems of the world are all anathema to the PBs. A lot of them will not have insurance or even call the police.
MiriamD, I am quite ignorant of the PBs but what you say about the voting seems similar to Bob Jones 3rd on Larry King trying to explain their interracial policy: inter-marriage will speed up the end times because intermingling of the races is somehow tied into revelation. We stand against the end times world government, therefore, cannot agree with interracial dating.
I wanted King to ask, “How can you say your dating policy has anything to do with the government in Revelations, and why do you stand against something that you believe is already written and prophesied by God? If God says it’s going to happen, why would you attempt to thwart His decree?”
The person who I heard preach the voting theory, was I suspect, messing with our heads. I am not joking either. I think a lot of fundy preachers are control freaks and this particular one has psychopathic tendencies. It adds to their control to keep their followers off balance. He didn’t come out with that crap for several years after he had people thinking he was wonderful and things got crazier and crazier till he crashed and burned. He ended up in jail as a paedophile.
Wow. I am seeing the fundy preacher/tyrant thing so often, it is no longer surprising anymore. I know of one locally here who had his parishioners build a huge playground for the kids to play on during choir practice and between services. It really is an impressive playground. Then, he decided that Sunday isn’t a day for kids to play, so they needed to stay off the playground on Sunday. Then he decided that it was disruptive to let the kids play on the playground before midweek service, so he banned them from it. So no one’s kids were ever allowed on the playground. Did I mention his parsonage is next door and he is a quiver full type who homeschools, so his kids can use the playground any other time of the week that they want to.
Well, my fundy friends claimed Katrina was God’s judgment on the hookers. And Mardis Gras. Because all those other folks who died should have moved away from those slutty mcslutters if they didn’t want to face God’s wrath.
Those slutty mcslutters happen to be what makes New Orleans so darned fun. I’ve never understood why fundies have a cow over something as essentially harmless as a drunken parade with a few exposed breasts but go out of their way to excuse or cover up things like child rape. Really odd ethics there.
I didn’t know what Slutty McSlutters were, so I googled them.
Um… I don’t know what to tell you. I figured you’d figure it out from the name, but… All I can say is, I hope you enjoyed your googling!
lol, nah, that’s just my dry humor. I never googled it.
If I ever say anything stupid it is *probably* my attempt at a laugh. But I hope I’m never as “funny” as Dr. Monte. He has the fullness of humor in his tweets. For brevity, I call it “the Full Monte.”
“Full Monte” FTW!!!
Dr. Eric you are on fire.
Though I think this preacher is showing his shortcomings
What about justice? Looking after the widows? Freeing rhe opressed.Feeding the hungry (ie keeping them alive long enough to hear the Good News)?
I have a feeling that reason and ligic , go against Scripture….
Sorry that was replying to MiriamD
Honestly Paul. love in the Peebs is not what the rest of the world, or I suspect Jesus, would recognize as love. It is more punishment and scowling at you until you capitulate and agree that the Brethren know what is best and you agree to put a smile on and do what you are expected. They look after their own, as long as their own are doing “right” but deviate and you are on your own. People won’t talk to you, no more invites, no more fellowship.
Some Plymouth Brethren don’t believe in eating with “Sinners”. I’m surprised that Jesus got it so wrong.
I have a sister who was “put out of fellowship” who felt she was wronged but just the same she refused to allow my mother to eat with her. Really twisted.
What scriptural basis do they have for not eating with “Sinners”?
Not all sinners, some sinners you can eat with. But as per 1 Cor 5:11 you aren’t to eat with someone who has been called a brother. Go figure, they really twist stuff
So stupid, embarrassing please all fundies take away your Pastors twitter accounts
There was a state representative’s wife in Alabama who said that she doesn’t vote because it would mean that she is equal to her husband, or something like that.
Well even in Fundystan she is equal to her husband. Equal but different, if you know what I mean.
Because some are more equal than others.
…………….And if they every lose to BJU, I’m sure it will be because there is sin in the camp, and they will have to find out, who the Achan is in the camp and stone him with many stones!
Taught at a Christian school in which the head coach blamed the dismal season on “sin in the camp”. Had nothing to do with the fact that opposing teams had players who, on average, outweighed our guys by at least 50 pounds at each position. (I, for one, think his clock management and offensive scheme may have been an issue.) He pulled the guys out of class (can’t use practice time for this) to yell at them one day for about an hour, encouraging the sinners to repent. Guess they never did, based on the results.
Benefit of the doubt and all, I’m gonna assume the tweet’s a joke, all in good fun. I’m about the last person to give these Fundy U’s any credit, but I seriously doubt they’re deciding theological spats with ballgames these days.
Though the whole “God really wanted us to win out there” or “we were losing cause there was sin in the camp” (seriously?!?) is sort of walking right into the definition of taking the name of the Lord in vain. Not to mention crediting God for natural disasters, etc., but that’s all in a day’s work for today’s fundies.
I am inclined to see this tweet as a joke as well…but the problem I have found in jokes told by fundamentalists is its a little odd humor covering a truth they really hold to….