Answering Their Critics: Jack Schaap Responds to 20/20

Schapp responds to the 20/20 story with typical graciousness…

Note: since the original video was removed due to copyright claim, this is a re-upload by yours truly

Note2: Now Hammond has launched a copyright claim against my videos on two different hosts even though they are clearly fair use. Stand by…

(I know I just did a Schaap video today but this is hot off the press so I wanted to get it up now instead of waiting)

298 thoughts on “Answering Their Critics: Jack Schaap Responds to 20/20”

      1. 1. Jack Schaap said “Get your little squirt gun out and squirt away.”
        2. Squirt Guns gained immense popularity in the 1990’s
        3. The popularity in the 1990’s was due to the Super Soaker brand squirt gun
        4. The Super Soaker was one Michael Jackson’s favorite toys, based on interviews with MJ in the 90’s
        5. Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch had a petting zoo and many other animals
        6. One of the animals at Neverland Ranch was Bubbles
        7. Bubbles was a chimpanzee

        Chimpanzees are monkeys
        Jack Schapp believes we evolved from monkeys

        1. This had me laugh out loud in the middle of preaching class in seminary. I will neither confirm nor deny that I spend class time browsing SFL…

      1. It’s not relevant, but it’s typical defensiveness to try to undermine the morality & also using “son” to establish superiority on top of the attempt to get the moral high ground.

        I don’t think he even does that stuff intentionally, it’s just trained in for so long that anyone with a slightest question is both immature & morally depraved.

      2. My preschool-age daughter walked in right before the “slob” comment and she definitely noticed that he called someone a name. We had to pause the clip and discuss that. Then a minute later she noticed “He’s a Pastor!” so we had to stop again and talk about the fact that not all pastors are automatically good and this one is being naughty.
        Then, I muttered “He’s arrogant!” just an instant before he declared “If that’s arrogant, then so be it!” Naturally, my daughter wanted to know what “arrogant” means… This clip took a while to watch, but it sure made for some good teaching points.

    1. There’s an old proverb among lawyers:
      If the facts are against you, argue the law.
      If the law is against you, argue the facts.
      If the facts and the law are both against you, attack your opponent.

  1. So much of this reminds me of preaching I heard when I was younger. “I’m gonna stand with God no matter what anybody else think” That doesn’t mean, however, that you’ve become infallible. For a person to not even consider the other side and check himself for consistency and integrity is the same as lying to yourself. You may indeed be right, but it happened on accident.

  2. I know he says he believes and tries to live by the whole bible…so I am guessing he doesn’t think 1 Peter 3:15 is really in it.

    “but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,”

      1. I agree with you. But how does he not see from this verse that those are exactly the people (among others) that should receive gentleness and respect from him?

        I guess if he had a newer version it might be easier for him to see. 😉

  3. Schaap says, “If it’s arrogant, so be it.” So he knows he’s an arrogant prick and only preaches ‘his’ gospel. I am dumbfounded. *after this post of course 😆

  4. He is nuts and is speaking to a huge group of IFB pastors at Clarence Sexton’s Independent Baptist Friends International meeting he puts on annually now. Sexton has always liked to pretend he was a friendly, kind, respectful IFB. He is getting everyone together for his IFB convention meeting and this is the guy he chooses to come speak…

    1. Amen, sister. I love that my husband shares with me what he’s learning in seminary and even asks for my input on issues he’s mulling over. It’s prideful, I know, but I always feel gleeful when he tells me, “That’s a really good insight.” 😎

    2. In our marriage, there’s one basic rule, it’s called the “Do what works for us” rule. We threw out all of Jack Schapps’ and his kinds rules out the window along time ago. Our marriage has been going on strong for almost 17 years. When we stopped doing what everyone else thought and started concentrating on each other and what worked for us, things just kind of fell into place like the proverbial puzzle.

      1. Same here. We ditch a lot of traditional advice about marriage. We do what works for us–and we don’t try to tell everyone else to have a marriage just like ours either. God I hate marriage books, seminars, etc. We’ve sworn to never go to one.

  5. Glad Schaap spoke up. Now the little boys on the Fundie blogs will have their next posts.

    Seriously though, we BOJOs used to think Schaap was nuts. He’s no different than all of ’em. They are all like this. This is exactly the same thing through and through. The only difference is the style.

    1. That seems a little unfair to some of the BOJOs, doesn’t it? I used to attend the same church as you, and I truly felt that our pastor (DB) was different than the rest.

      Hope that you are doing well.

      1. Josh, I wanted so badly to think that. But when that same pastor counsels a woman (church member) with a cheating husband to just “love him more” (that’s code, of course. For “love” and “more”) while she’s afraid of getting a STD from him, you realize that even he is no different from Schaap.

        Yeah, I know. I was shocked too. I expected so much more from him. But he, too, is trapped by that system.

        It’s time to call it out. No more hiding.

        1. EW!

          What is wrong with someone to come up w/ that! I know divorce is a favorite horse for fundies to beat, but seriously cheating is always a legit reason to divorce. I can’t say exhaustively throughout scripture it’s an accepted reason, but there’s enough places where it is explicitly given as a reason for divorce to be legit.

        2. AND . . . even if you tell the lady to stay in the same house with the cheater (not saying I would), no responsible person would tell her to ramp up their sex life!!! 👿

        3. There are no fewer than 10 strong jokes I would like to make about that idea, and none of them are clean enough to post here.

        4. I wonder if the husband of a cheating wife would get the same counsel… 🙄

    1. Absolutely. If Schaap had replied to the reporter in a kind, sane way, he could have perhaps minimized some of the damage to the name of Christians. But no, he just made it worse. 🙁

  6. The Bible says man is the head of the woman the way that God is the head of Christ. It has to do with prominence, not rulership. The word “head of” is not a word that indicates rule, but glory, ie prominence. Paul was simply telling the church not to let prominence of women offend the citizens of their culture. Jack Schaap wouldn’t know the Truth of Scripture if it came up and swapped off his apostate head.

    1. See the previous clip, where he’s asked what his favorite books are, and he strains to think of any books.
      I’m not sure I even believe the twerp can read at all.

      1. I love that he had time from whenever he selected the question to when he recorded the answer, and that was still the best he could come up with, and sounded like was fumbling for that, and never really was able to summarize much about the one book he mentioned that wasn’t related to 1611.

        1. That’s a very good point. It wasn’t his response to some “gotcha” prank where someone with a video camera jumped out from behind a lamppost and said, “Quick, name your ten favorite books!”
          He actually had a chance to prepare for that monologue about books. How hard would it have been to go into that 3000-volume library he says he has and jot down a few titles?

        1. I deleted a comment on the request of the commenter and it evidently screwed everything else up.

          Sorry folks.

        2. That’ll teach ya.

          (reply to Darrell, if the post doesn’t go in the right place)

        3. Response to the Ambassador statement:

          Dr. Charles L. Surrett says:

          it was totally one-sided

          Um…I remember seeing both Brian Fuller and Chuck Phelps (whom they had to ambush in a parking lot after he REFUSED to participate in an interview). What are they, chopped liver? If ABC didn’t “get both sides of the story” it was because they were stonewalled by the IFB side.

          there is no organic connection between the churches they are attacking.

          I don’t really know what an “organic connection” is but there is most definitely a philosophic connection. It’s called “the pastor is right and we must protect ‘the ministry’ at any cost.

          There is no “living leader,” except for the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and IFB churches could hardly be blamed for following Him!

          And that is just flat out disingenuous. The Tina Anderson case implicated terrible responses from no fewer than two presidents of fundamentalist universities. It’s hardly a stretch to call those men “leaders” in the movement. And as such their influence on those in many different “independent” churches is likely to be far reaching.

        4. I wondered what “organic connection” meant too.

          I agree with his comment son accusing every IFB church to be a cult …the rest smacked off circling the wagons.

          Why not call out the abusers of the system?

        5. @Skelto, I don’t get a 404, I get a dropbox error that the file doesn’t exist anymore. I assume whoever had posted it removed or made it private.

  7. Just from his videos that get posted where he goes from trying to portray this soft voiced reasonable person to the screaming maniac, he seems to be totally classically undiagnosed, untreated bipolar.

        1. I feel ya, the reply is really tough on here today. I guess maybe it’s more sociopath behavior than bipolar? It’s hard to know, cause a lot of fundies do flip the switch from being ridiculously angry to borderline “lovey drunk” fairly easily as well.

    1. Actually, from listening in Catholic and Episcopal churches to the low, slow, carefully enunciated, calm “priestly voices”—I think that Fundy “chew the house down” rants are also a carefully learned preaching style. Not to say that some of them aren’t mentally ill. . .

  8. I wonder if these verses are in the employee manual at Schapps church

    Exodus 21:20-21 (King James Version)

    20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

    21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

  9. Every time I hear Schaap or one of his minions say anything, I want to launch a rescue mention to get all the women and girls out of that madhouse of misogyny.

    But, of course, things don’t work that way. They’re going to have to free themselves.

  10. I love how Schaap spends the whole 3 minutes referring to various things God’s word “says” and never once reads from the Bible. He waves it around a lot, points at it, but never reads it.
    If it really is God’s words that are important to Schaap, you would think he would read them for us.

    But I guess we don’t really need the Bible when we have people like Schaap to tell us what it says.[sarcasm]

    1. Exactly! That Bible, to him, is nothing more than a prop to play with while he spews his rambling ugly thoughts! It’s no different than lawyers who wear glasses to court so that they have something to be dramatic with. And what’s with fumbling around with the paper clips or whatever – It’s like he’s looking for a verse to hang his hat on – It ain’t there bud! God loves us women and gives grace to us as well and you know what – Adam exerted his freewill and discounted the theology that God Almighty GAVE him. Oh it hurts my head to hear this stuff AND to hear the whooping and hollering of men in the crowd. Enough – sorry for the rant!

    2. As far as I can tell, the subject of most of Schaap’s sermons is “What a big deal Jack Schaap is.”
      Any references to the Bible are incidental to this central message.

  11. I’ve learned a few things about Jack Schaap today: 1. He has a lot of books (about 6,000 in all). 2. He likes books. 3. He sleeps fine. 4. He’s glad he’s a man. 5. He hates women. 6. He might be the only Independent, Fundamental, Bible-believing, male chauvinist, still-in-the-closet homosexual Pastor on the face of the earth.

    Number six is assumed, but I think it makes logical sense in light of numbers 4 and 5. 😀

    1. I wish God would miraculously reach down and turn him into a woman. He would get the shock of his life; knock him down a few pegs. Didn’t God do something of the sort to a Babylonian king in the book of Daniel? I forgot his name….

  12. Classic. Hyper. Fundamentalism.

    No surprise that they are circling the wagons. He doesn’t get his “theology” from a woman, he prefers loons like Charles Finney for that.

    Heaven help the congregation at FBC and her fiefdoms across the US. May the LORD continue to open eyes and grant deliverance from this rubbish.

  13. Schaap was nervous. I love his “ain’t nobody gonna tell me whatta preach” attitude. He reminds me of Solomon’s son, Rehoboam, who only listened to counselors that he already agreed with.

  14. “Hit don’t bother me a BIT what people think … am to prove it, I’m gonna spend three minutes explaining how hit don’t bother me…”

    What [meaneth] then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears …

  15. I have a quote that pretty much sums up how I feel about preachers like this and the congregations who follow them fiercely.

    “Religion? Is what you hear at church religion? Is that which can bend and turn, and descend and ascend, to fit every crooked phase of selfish, worldly society, religion? Is that religion which is less scrupulous, less generous, less just, less considerate for man, than even my own ungodly, worldly, blinded nature? No! When I look for a religion, I must look for something above me, and not something beneath.” – Augustine St. Clare in Uncle Tom’s Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe

    Needless to say, I feel the passion in this speech by St. Clare quite often. I’m not terribly familiar with this Schaap person, but I can say with quite a bit of certainty that I would walk out of his church terribly offended and rather livid, as well. I am never more appalled than I am at preachers who preach their opinions as Biblical truths, leading people into the same ugly hatred they spew and perverting the loving honesty that is true Christianity.

  16. “It’ll be a cold day in hell before I learn theology from a woman.” Sure thing, preacher, just like Apollos did. Acts 18:26:

    “When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him and explained to him the way of God more accurately.”

    What this man needs is a Priscilla. Plus a few other things, but I’ll let God deal with those.

    1. Ahh, you beat me to it! One of my study Bibles addresses the question of the authorship of Hebrews. One of the possible candidates listed was Priscilla. If it were true, wouldn’t some of these guys turn just green when they get to Heaven and find that out? 😯

  17. He is nuts and is speaking to a huge group of IFB pastors at Clarence Sexton’s Independent Baptist Friends International meeting he puts on annually now. Sexton has always liked to pretend he was a friendly, kind, respectful IFB. He is getting everyone together for his IFB convention meeting and this is the guy he chooses to come speak. Showing his true colors?

  18. “I never apologize standing where God stands. I never worry standing where God stands.”

    I hope to never stand where God stands. It’s not my place. My place is far off, beating upon my breast and crying “God be merciful to me a sinner.”

  19. It seems I’ve heard that rape is more about control and exerting power over the victim rather than about sex. With MOgs spouting this kind of ranting disrespect of women for weak minded/weak willed men to hear, is there any wonder there is a problem with sexual abuse in IFB churches?

  20. I don’t know which is uglier — Schaap’s rant or the enthusiastic “Hay-mens” and “Yessirs” from the men in the congregation. The whole thing reminds me of a WWE wrestling match: he’s one of those posturing wrestlers strutting around the ring bragging while the good ole boys in the audience cheer and make catcalls.

    I can’t believe some people actually LIKE this kind of Christianity (if you want to call it that).

    1. WWE Announcer #1 – Uh-oh! Looks like he brought a foreign object to the pulpit.
      WWE Announcer #2 – I think it is a bible.
      WWE Announcer #1 – Do you think he will use it?
      WWE Announcer #2 – Probably not. At least not what it is supposed to be used for.

  21. I remember hearing a professor at BJU explain that the divine prohibition on allowing a woman to teach theology is confirmed by the fact that women teachers have been among the biggest heretics in church history, citing Mary Baker Eddy and one or two others.

    The statement has a couple of problems. The first reflects fundies’ complete divorce from the history of the church: Whether over the past two centuries or over the entire course of the history of the church, I’m pretty sure that, in absolute numbers and probably in relative numbers, male heretics have been far more common than women heretics.

    The second reflects the complete abdication of reasoning ability: Unsurprisingly, I think you’ll find that if women are completely barred from speaking, teaching, or writing on theological topics in fundamentalist churches, the only women who will do any of these things will almost certainly be, from a fundamentalist perspective, heretics.

    1. I know some ordained Pentacostal, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, UU, UCC, Disciples, and nondenominational women, and some Catholic women who should be ordained but aren’t yet, all of whom run theological rings around this donkey on a daily basis.

      1. On reflection, I’d like to apologize to all donkeys and donkey lovers for that last statement. Donkeys have done nothing to harm me. It was uncalled for to compare Jack Schaap to one.

        1. At least Balaam’s donkey had its mouth opened by God when it spoke, which may be more than we can say about this preacher. And it was a female donkey’s word that kept Balaam out of deeper trouble, too. :mrgreen:

      2. Schaap could use theology from the woman assistant minister at my church (UCC). She preaches some of the best sermons that I’ve heard. They are usually in story form and don’t even sound like sermons, yet they really make you think. There is no fear or guilt only the biblical passage from the lectionary that come alive during the sermon.

  22. The Christian in me thinks:
    God opposes the proud. The haughty and boastful are an abomination (Rom 1:30). This man is clearly not of God.

    The man in me thinks:
    What a (donkey) hole.

      1. You know you guys are asking for trouble, right?

        Sometimes it’s just better to take your punishment like a man.

        Actually, getting put on Natalie’s Not Talking To Listâ„¢ is almost as exhilarating as “Being 1st”.

    1. Or I Cor where Paul forgot to say that in EVE all sinned, just heard someone use Genesis “the woman that you gave me made me”, and thought Adam’s excuse was the truth (as long as the truth empower women abusers.)

    2. Well, yeah…I’m sure she fulfilled her God-given role and served dinner so her husband could speak to him about his soul 🙄

    3. And what about Mary and Martha? Mary usually gets most of the credit for sitting at Jesus’ feet, but when Lazarus died, Martha confessed Jesus as the Christ. As I recall, this was before Peter calling him the Christ, even. That’s some pretty significant theology Martha had learned.

      1. The resurrection was revealed to women while the men cowered and hid. I don’t think it’s an accident that the Gospel tells the story that way.

        1. Fortunately, the Apostles weren’t as stubborn about not learning anything from a woman.

  23. Stinks to be a woman.

    If you’re born black or born a woman, they think God’s curse is on you and it’s your own fault and deserve everything coming to you.

  24. The biggest irony? Schaap did get his theology from a woman. Impossible you say? Darrell reminded us about Premillenialism not too long ago. Here is an interesting fact about the pre-tribulation aspect of Pre-millenialism:

    “1830: During the spring a young woman in Scotland, Margaret Macdonald, declared that she had discovered in the Bible what had never been seen by others: a rapture of “church” members described as a “pre-Antichrist” (or pretrib) event. Her words: “one taken and the other left” before “THE WICKED [Antichrist] be revealed.” She was a partial rapturist seeing only part of the “church” raptured and the rest of the “church” left on earth. When she wrote that the “trial of the Church is from Antichrist,” she meant the part of the church not included in her pretrib rapture. Leading partial rapturists including Pember and Govett have always applied the word “church” to the ones “left behind.” Robert Norton, Irvingite historian and on-scene witness of Margaret’s utterances, wrote that Margaret was the “first” to privately teach pretrib.”
    -http://www.scionofzion.com/pretrib_rapture_diehards.htm

    Darby later applied what he learned and Schofield wrote a study Bible etc…

    My point is simple, Schaap, as a Pretribulationalist does in fact get some of his theology from a woman. Not only that, but he gets it from a Charismatic woman who was a prophetess part time too.

    My point isn’t to declare Pre-trib untrue or bash it. It could fully well be true, I doubt it. My point is that this theology was brought about by the ecstatic ramblings of not just a woman, but a potentially crazy one at that…hmmm, this could explain a few things.

    To sum up, Schaap is either a hypocrite or ignorant. My money is on ignorant, I doubt he knows enough about anything to be a hypocrite.

    Thoughts?

      1. Pre-trib is nonsence. Why would god wait until the 1830s to reveal the what books of Daniel and Revolutions truly meant? Why hide the true meaning from Calvin, Jonathan Edwards and Martin Luther.

        1. Though I would love to agree with you on anything anti Schaap. I too used to be the M. McDonald fallacy but it isn’t so. It was an attempt by early Pentacostalism to attach themselves to the doctrines without the obvious doign away of the sign gifts.

          At least during the first four centuries, millennialism was normative in -Tertullian,Justin Martyr and most early church “fathers” all advocated premillennial doctrine. It wasn’t until the 4th century and the rise of Roman Catholicism that it fell into disfavour for obvious reasons.

          Saying that Margaret started it all would be like saying that Paul White or Joel Osteen started evangelicalism today (and leaving out all before them). Also here beliefs were at odds with most very aspect of a pre mill pre tribber.

          She was sensational, and in her era most mainline groups were away from the pre-mill position. Darby capitalized on the interest at the time , refined some things, and certainly re-popularized Chiliasm and Scofield really put it back prominent, but the early Church was very pre-mil.

          John Walvoord and George Alan Ladd have written extensively on such. I learned the hard way when I was still a-mill and tried these same arguments–trying to save ya some embarassment.

          Schapp is still a moron though

        2. @ Theo,

          If I was saying that she started Premillenialism like you said, then yes, you would be right. However, while Premillenialism does have history before the 1830’s, Pretribulationalism does not. In fact I myself am a Historic Premillenialist or a PostTrib PreMil. It can get confusing as a lot of people forget that someone’s view on the Rapture is different than their view on the Millennium.

          Either way, Schaap owes a debt to this little lady for his theology on the Rapture.

      1. I am. He is trying to “make nice” and “Be friends” to bring the camps together, but who wants ot be together with THAT?
        Hopefully this is a lesson to him and them.

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