I feel for any woman who has long hair like that – believe me, it isn’t light! ❗
My hair was past my knees when I chopped it off. Funny how my migraines instantly dissapeared!
Wow! Now that’s quite a hair-um he has there. 😯
Nice one Don. But you have to follow that up with….”thanks folks, I’m here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitresses and make sure you try the lamb”
Bwahahaha! It may be “glory”, but it’s incredibly unattractive, on top of all the other reasons it’s dumb.
We need the discourse in “hairology”
The gal in the middle back has curls that make her hair short…APPEARANCE OF EVVVVIILLLEEE!!
Good one, Robin.
You’re right! She’s practically SHAVEN!
If you’d like to read more about the real story of the women in the picture you can check this out:
Thanks Darrel. That was interesting. I learned something today.
Not only an interesting link but I live about 5 miles from their hometown of Cambria, NY
And who is the lucky guy in the picture?
that’s what I was thinking, poor guy.
Wow, thanks for the history lesson, Darrell. I had never heard of the Sutherland sisters before. It’s amazing how over time, certain celebrities are remembered, but others vanish into obscurity. Hopefully Paris Hilton will fall into the latter category, LOL!
I always found it funny, that the Long hair is preached for many years, until the lady is about oh in her 60’s when she gets that hair cut most older women get. Really Short (sometimes *gasp* tapered) and filled with hairspray to give it the cotton candy consistancy. Then everything is just fine because she is an Elder now, and Has a “hoary” head or something 😀
So true. Except the fundy churches I’ve been to think the term “elder” is not appropriate. For some reason they never use that word.
But even if they did, I don’t think they would ever let a lowly woman be one. Because that would make them “compromisers.”
The cotton candy hair hides hair loss.
Women are stupidly vain about their hair and will rather fluff it into a halo to hide their scalp than use Rogaine.
I have had long hair more often than not in my life. A weird rumor went around school that it was for religious reasons, because I also rarely wore makeup. (I went to one of the biggest churches in the county, but more of the goers were from the neighboring town, so I guess people didn’t know where I went???)
I said, “In what church do women A) wear long hair, B) trim their hair, C) don’t wear makeup, and D) wear shorts???” Truth was, I liked my hair, it was for me, and I didn’t wear makeup because I had athletics every day (which made makeup feel gross), I was lazy, and I despised school and had no intentions of impressing anyone.
My hair as been as short as a pixie and as long as below my fingertips. I usually wear it up (for the last 5 years) and so never get asked now whether my husband “makes me” have long hair. O_o. I will admit that the pixie traumatized him (he didn’t expect it to, lol) but his favorite length is anything that makes a ponytail.
Long hair is way less of a bother than anything that can get in your face. That drives me nuts. Long hair suits my laziness and I…just like it.
I tend to think a lot of these kinds of pictures are photoshopped. I do not cut my hair (my choice, my husband doesn’t really feel I have to but doesn’t care if I do because he likes long hair), and I know several other women that don’t cut their hair either, and NONE of them have hair this long. Many have it to their lower back, and at the longest it hits their rear, but out of all the many women I know who do this, none ever like this.
And, those of us younger ones that do it tend to take care of our hair and take more pride in it than that picture. We believe that our long hair can be very attractive if we take care of it and if we style it appropriately. (I’m not into all the old fashioned costumes and hair styles either).
I do understand why women don’t want to grow their hair long and not cut it though, and it’s because of pictures like this, and pictures of other women who didn’t take care of their hair and those are the pictures being sent around for these women to see! In reality for most of us now it’s not like that. 🙂
But then again, I don’t “look down on” other women for cutting their hair, because it’s not my affair. I do what I believe God wants me to do. It’s a PERSONAL relationship with the Lord for a reason. He works with us on an individual and personal level. And I don’t think cutting a woman’s hair is sin. I just don’t believe God wants ME doing it, and I believe I know the reasons why. 🙂
Could you link to a pic of a woman with long hair where it is styled well. Most I’ve seen look like this photo. (There doesn’t seem to be much you can do with all of it)
Link to one? I’d have to have a look. Probably not, because people seem to like showing off these rats nests. But there are so many long hairstyles that are beautiful. Just because there may or may not (I’m not sure I haven’t looked because I know what is real in life) be pictures of it online, there is in real life.
I know women who have never cut their hair and their hair looks similar to the Duggar girl’s hair, which you can find pictures of online. From what I know the Duggar girls might trim their hair I’m not sure. But it looks much better than the pic on this post.
I have an authentic picture of my three great-great aunts with hair just like this. Typically, it was worn all the way up, but for picture occasions, I suppose it was a special reason to show how long your hair is.
Read the article from the comment section. These girls were models and were attempting to get their hair as long as possible. Most of us that don’t cut our hair aren’t trying to do all we can to grow it as long as possible. Also, their hair is VERY rare. Usually a hair only grows for seven years and then it dies and falls out. These girls had hair that grew at exceptional rates, but that is not the norm for most women. 🙂
Also, hair length is genetic: some women can never grow their hair beyond their shoulders or their waist; some can, like my aunts, grow it to their ankles. It just depends on the genes.
I am dead curious as to the why of why you dont cut your hair. I never really thought of cutting/not cutting as sin or not sin.
But, christianity is not a personal relationship. God reveals to us His word. We dont all get special revelations. We are all on a path, growing. But Maggie doesnt get the conviction from the Holy spirit to not cut their hair, meanwhile, Molly gets “peace” from the Holy Spirit that its perfectly fine to cut.
The verses in the bible that talk about women having long hair, its really talking about a covering, and showing that it is shameful to not wear a head covering, because even naturally, God gave us long hair. We need to be covered. It doesnt say we cant cut it or that He doesnt want us to cut it. The idea is women have long hair. I don’t even think the words should or have to is even a part of it. Especially back then, women had long hair.
Now, explain to me why most women in the churches dont wear head coverings and I’ll be delighted, because when I read 1 Cor 11, I get the idea that we are supposed to have one. .because of the angels.
Emily, I do think the idea of head coverings is nonsense. How much clearer than “her hair is given to her FOR a covering” can it get? Our hair was given to us to be our covering. Takes a lot of twisting to prove otherwise.
In 1 cor 11, pay close attention to verse 6. This is where St. Paul says that if a woman wont cover her head, let her ALSO shave her head off. ALSO indicates that there are two things going on here.
Read through to verse 10, and we see that the covering being spoken of is a symbol of authority–that symbol being that the woman is either under her husband authority or her fathers. The covering here is not hair. It is an extra covering.
Our hair is given to us for a covering, but it is obvious by his words that he is speaking of a second covering, and not simply long hair and short hair.
This has been understood by the church for a very long time.
God says our head needs to be covered, and then several verses down tells us what our covering is…the hair He gave us. It’s not that hard to figure out. Crystal clear actually. No twisting of Scripture involved whatsoever.
Nope, what the Bible says is that women’s heads ought to be covered for the sake of modesty because her hair is given to her as a glory (I Cor 11:15 – peribolaion – a vesture or mantle, a covering that has to do with glory or office), which is why she needs to either be covered (ie, with a veil, for the word in 11:6 that is translated as covered is katakaluptoÌ„, covered for modesty’s sake, or veiled, or fully covered (implying modesty).)
The KJV is taking two different words and translating both of them as “covered,” but they are quite opposite in meaning. The woman is to be veiled (modestly covered) because her natural glory is given to her as a vesture (covering) because she is the glory of man and so is adorned by nature. Therefore, to show her modesty in public appearances, when she speaks before all by the power of the Holy Spirit, she is still to cover (veil) her covering (her natural mantle of glory, or, her hair).
I’m not saying that it is sin for ALL women to not cut their hair. It would be for me because God has directed me otherwise. It was an area that I did not want to give up to Him, and as is normal, the areas we are holding on to so tightly are the ones He wants us to give up.
You get direct revelation from God?
As in, God tells you things that are not in scripture.
thats dangerous ground.
The scripture says if she wont cover her head, let her ALSO be shorn. ALSO is the key here.
Not only that, but I do believe that this speaks of the church assembly. Until about 50 years ago, women wore head coverings during church, no matter what denomination.
Really? Do you have a source for that assertion?
I remember when pretty well all women wore a hat or covering of some sort when they went to church. It was a part of being dressed up back then. It began to die out some time during the sixties, I think. Sometimes I think it was a mistake just because hats can be very cool.
Many African-American women still dress up and wear hats to church. They can look stunning.
(The comic strip, Curtis, pokes fun at this from time to time, though.)
Not really. I do not have a source, but ask around and you will find it to be mostly true.
At my parents Catholic wedding in 1955, all the attendents wore head coverings. My mom said that back then everyone wore head coverings to church.
In a Lutheran church I currently attend sometimes, they have head coverings in the narthex for women to put on before they enter the sanctuary. Its an old custom.
Catholic women and girls were required to wear head coverings in church until the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. There were even little paper coverings you could wear just to serve that purpose in church for little girls that would be discarded afterwards…my mother-in-law remembers having to wear them. 🙂
I’m 57 years old. It’s true, in the 1950s, no lady would dream of going to any church bare=headed.
Fundies hate the poor and this is just another example because you can’t be poor and have hair like this. Well, not if you actually want to work the sort of jobs the poor are allowed to have.
Yes, you can. My hair reaches my rear. It’s healthy, I don’t work that hard at it and I don’t buy any special hair products whatsoever. (Unless you count shampoo…)
I don’t have any religious reasons for my hair length, I just like it long. 😀
My hair is wavy and reaches just past my shoulders (more hippie-hair than fundie-hair), and the less I try to do to it, the better. I wash it about ever two to three days and use minimal styling product to tame the frizzies.
My poorest great-grandmother, the farm wife, had hair to her ankles. It’s called wearing it up. Do you imagine that short hair was anything anyone but the very rich wore (under their wigs) before the 1920s????
Not to be a snot, but the only fundies I ever met were low class. Even if they went to Fundy U, it’s not like they ever made much money.
christianity is not a personal relationship
The Apostle Paul would disagree with you.
I think she was implying that personal experience or revelation doesn’t trump scripture. They should be tested against scripture to see if they are valid.
That I would agree with to a point. But God gave a conscience for a reason. And he uses that conscience to speak to us…the Apostle Paul said that for some people, certain things are allowable/permissible – but for others, it is not. I think this relates to spiritual maturity.
I never claimed any extra revelation. It was Emily that did that when she said the passage is talking about head coverings when it clearly isnâ€™t. Now that is private interpretation at itâ€™s best.
The passage *IS* talking about head coverings. It’s talking about a veil (covering) that covers the natural vesture/mantle of the woman (covering). The KJV translators made it confusing by translating two very different words as “covering.” Perhaps, like most of us, they didn’t really care either.
What about the sin of pride? Pride in your long hair, your “glory”? And how much fundy time does it take to take care of a load of hair like that when you could be homeschooling your children or sewing culottes?
It doesn’t take that long. I actually spend less time in the shower even with washing and caring for my hair than my husband does. :p
Haha, Morgan. I got it, at least. 😉
Speaking of culottes, you should check out http://www.myculottes.com. Scary.
Show me where the apostle Paul would disagree with me.
I spent 15 years as a baptist christian, constantly hearing that it was a personal relationship, never being able to find in the bible where it said anything of the sort.
Now Im a Lutheran Christian. Its a relationship that effects me personally, but it is not a personal relationship. Jesus died and put us in right relationship, but God reveals Himself through scripture, and not personal revelation. The whole personal revelation thing got so confusing! “What does God want me to do?”
In one church I heard that God wanted me to dress modestly by wearing skirts only.
In the NEXT CHURCH, I heard that God wanted me to wear pants to be more modest while playing sports.
In one, I heard I needed to read the KJV and they were all “convicted” about this issue. In another, that God “convicted” them to not buy the lie that the KJV was the only word of God.
From one friend, God “convicted” them to go be a missionary. From another friend, she was “convicted” that the idea of global missionaries was not from God and that our mission is here at home.
In one baptist church, we used drums and guitar in worship because they “felt led” to. In the next baptist church, they were “convicted” that hymn music was the only acceptable music.
Well, where can all these matters be settled? From the word of God. Dont go beyond what is written.
“Personal revelation” is nothing but feelings baptized with God language.
Read the scriptures. That is where God reveals Himself to us. That is where our relationship with Him lies. That is how we know Him.
Emily – not everything that we should or should not do is outlined in scriptures. Scriptures can only take you so far. God gave us brains to think and can and does speak to each individual personally.
Emily, I guess the Holy Spirit isn’t needed then? He speaks to us personally. There are doctrinal convictions that are important that we should all agree on. They are spelled out in the Bible. Then there are natural convictions, things we know about because it’s easy to see. Then there are personal convictions that God asks us personally to do something for Him that He may not ask someone else to do.
Concerning the Holy Spirit, Scripture never suggests that the ministry of Spirit involves decision making, just so you know. The ministry of the Spirit, the Bible implies, is directly instruction of the Word and conviction of sin. The Holy Spirit leads? Yes, externally through the Word and internally through his indwelling giving us strength to ‘put to death the deeds of the body’. It is a mis-interpretation of Scripture when we tell others the Holy Spirit personally ‘speaks’ to us. A good book I suggest is ‘Decision Making and the Will of God’ by Garry Friesen that expounds upon this waaay better than I can.
The Holy Spirit works through the word of God.
He does not tell one person to do something, and the next person not to. He does not bless sin, but some things are just a matter of conscience based on the word of God.
The bible teaches modesty. It also teaches against cross dressing.
For some women, this is going to mean that they have a desire to wear skirts all the time.
For other women, they will just desire to dress in a way that is distinctly female, covering sensual body parts.
It is wrong for the women in the first category to go on talking about how God told them to wear only skirts, and it is equally wrong for the women in the second category to go around saying that God gave them peace about wearing slacks.
It really comes down to a matter of conscience and what they personally feel they ought to do, but the Holy Spirit does not cause confusion.
Thank God we have complete freedom and our justification is not dependent upon us.
If they are so personal, why are you making a big deal out of it? Also, I don’t understand why you are here. Most of us are in recovery from IFB churches and legalism and imposed unbiblical standards etc
PLEASE show me in scripture where God tells us to do something that He doesnt tell someone else to do.
Im not looking for examples like Noah, who was asked to build an arc. And Im not looking for examples like Jonah, who had to go preach to Narnia..
give me an example of something small, like not cutting hair.
You are claiming divine revelation just personally for YOU. That is not scriptural. Think about it.
Emily, this is one of those things where IFB’s get special new revelation from God, despite canon being closed in 96AD (or 1611 or whenever).
Mrs W, despite claiming this is a personal thing between you and God, once again, you have made it a standard you are imposing on others, even though you claim you aren’t – because as Emily is saying, if God has told you, why not others. Essentially, you are claiming to have a direct line to God and are a “better” Christian than others because you have “higher” standards.
@ Emily, I got a smile from your post this morning, imagining Jonah preaching to Narnia! 🙂
This was supposed to be a reply above. Makes no sense out of context. :p sorry.
Wow! Leave it long, keep it short. . .it’s just not that deep people. ;)LOL!!!
SFL: Insisting that it’s their “personal choice” to do something that really, truly makes no sense.
Ditto. =P Personally, I highly doubt God cares whether or not we cut our hair, unless we are showing pride or vanity in it. I have met with a lot more pride in people over their decision not to cut their hair than I have in people who do cut it. Just saying. I think there are more important things to worry about in our spiritual lives than the length of our hair.
Who knew the subject of the length of a woman’s hair would stir up sooooo much trouble?
I was just thinking the same thing.
Personally, I usually think long hair is beautiful, and I wish mine weren’t so thin and fine because it looks really limp the longer it gets. But the hair on those girls in the picture is really unappealing to me. Seven feet long? In some of the pictures on the link, their hair looks like a long cape. Hot hot did that have to be, especially back in the days before air conditioning?!
It’s not any hotter than any other hair. You wear it up.
In fact… Ever since I figured out how to wear a bun instead of a ponytail when I work out, I’m a whole lot cooler. I can only do that with hair at my waist or longer, or there isn’t enough to secure it.
Hair too short to wear up but on your neck is the worst. There’s a reason chin bobs aren’t worn by female athletes! There are plenty of hair lengths that interfere with being cool. Anything long enough to bun doesn’t.
When I was at BJU we always referred to this as “virgin hair.” Apparently there’s a sect in which the women grow their hair continuously until marriage. There were a couple girls who reportedly had to trim the bottom off their hair to keep from tripping on it. I’d believe it.
I guess that explains this: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_01/BritSpearsMTX_468x464.jpg
Thanks for the laugh. I almost spewed coffee all over my computer.
Yeah, I’ve heard of that. It’s something that the freshly-minted husband is supposed to cut on their wedding night. . . . which is just bizarre.
That IS bizarre! We were busy with other things on our wedding night…
Yeah, baby. I remember that night VERY well. 🙂
This is one of those things that astounds me that it is an issue… Coud this be culturally defined perhaps ❓ ❓
Personally, I feel that this is something that doesn’t matter in the overall scheme of things, seeing it has very little, or anything to do with Jesus and the Gospel. 😕
^ “Coud” apparently I can’t spell today…
it’s cuz you cut your hair. YES SOMEBODY SAW YOU!
The one in the middle– with both hands on the ropes– is hottest!
I don’t cut my hair very often, mostly because getting it cut isn’t worth the hassle to me, and I like long hair on myself. Right now it’s down to my waist.
But when I went for one of my annual(ish) trimmings, the lady asked me my religion! She said, “Your hair is just so long, I thought maybe it was a religious thing.” Nope. Just like it long. 🙂
Yes, I think I know of a pretty equal number of “religous” vs non-religious women who don’t cut their hair, and the reasons are many and varied.
Is it just me, or did this thread get reaaaaallly weird? 😯
They tend to do that around here. I never have any idea where we’ll end up.
Perhaps some of these apples have not fallen as far from the Fundie tree as one would hope.
Starting to remind me of the Fighting Fundamentalist Forum…which I rarely go to anymore.
For the record, if anyone cares, I’d love to have my hair long, down to my rear at least, but it’s impractical. My hair is so heavy that if it starts to reach my shoulders I get migranes and my scalp is constantly tender. Not to mention the shampoo I go through. It’s just so much easier to have it short. But I’ve never thought “Does this go against Scripture” when having my hair cut. For me it’s just a manner of personal taste.
@rose I totally hear you. I’m working on the same thing.
I’m not sure what’s worse? The over-use of the word “rear” or the thought of hundreds of split ends dangling on it?
Wow….just, wow. I had no idea there would be such strong opinions about hair. It’s very eye-opening for me, but not in a very good way. I mean, it’s just hair. I sincerely doubt that your diety of choice, if he/she/it were all-powerful, all-knowing, etc. , would seriously give a flying fart about your dead head cells. Splitting hairs (HA!) about hair and making length a personal spiritual issue just seems to smack of extreme vanity. However, if you just like it long, I can appreciate that.
One girl is going Rasta in the middle. Those are definitely some dread locks happening there. Or huge curls. But I prefer to imagine that she is the youngest, and the older ones steal all the shampoo, so her hair is just matted from oil into huge locks, much like Samsons.
Not that this matters any, but they probably braid their hair before bedtime. That would leave their hair looking curled. If they didn’t they’d look like Cousin It in the morning!
I’ve been trying to figure out who is who in that picture, and from other pictures of them, that’s Sarah, the eldest. She has her hair in huge spiral curls in this picture.
Two words: Split ends! Sorry, but Chakka hair if fug.
“But, christianity is not a personal relationship.”
I think you missed the point somewhere….
Christianity *is* a personal relationship in the sense that each of us has a personal devotion to Christ, is sealed to the Father with the presence of the Holy Spirit as a sort of “downpayment” on heavenly acceptance, is accepted in the Beloved of heaven, etc. Our redemption is personal, from Christ, for the Father knew each that He would give to Christ, and each of us is known to God. It’s personal in that sense.
But in the sense that many fundies phrase it, where each of us gets personal revelations about everything from what to wear in the morning to how much of a tip to leave, our relationship with God is not like that. That’s actually a leftover of ancient Gnostic thought, in which a person grows in enlightenment by receiving more and more secrets, revelations, and direction from God and thus becomes more spiritually powerful than his or her peers. As somebody else notes, we have the Bible. That’s our revelation. And I will add that we also have conscience. And every now and then we might get a vision or a sign, but even these haveto be tested and tried.
Can I just say that I appreciate your scriptural answers and cool head on this blog. I also appreciate the time that you have obviously devoted to studying and understanding the Bible.
Hmmm, Mrs W… sounds.. familiar. I wonder if I know you. If I do, I have seen photos of you after you have had a haircut? I remember you made a big deal out of this years back, insisting it was God’s will that no woman should cut their hair. It’s got to be you. I thought you did cut your hair now?
Yes, you are probably thinking of the right person, though I’m curious to know who you might be. If you are interested in my journey I will talk to you about it, but I’d like to know who you are first. You probably know where you can find me. 🙂 Unfortunately I have cut my hair, it was wrong and I can’t change it but I wish I could. I let others talk me out of doing right and that was wrong.
I’m not quite so mean these days as I used to be. 🙂 The Lord has been working on me.
Doesn’t matter who I am. No one of consequence. I am curious as to what drew you to this site though 🙂
I didn’t know this site existed until a few days ago. I’m not likely to hang around either because I’m not drawn to it. Someone showed me some stuff on here thinking that I’d find it funny. But this isn’t the kind of thing I really want to be involved in, so I won’t be hanging around.
I’m not much into arguments anymore and you all pretty much have your mind made up and I am not even going to attempt to change it. I wasn’t even sure when I commented whether I really wanted to. I’m still not sure.
Mrs W “Iâ€™m not likely to hang around either because Iâ€™m not drawn to it.”
No, I’m sure you wouldn’t be.
This reminds me…back in my IFB days as a kid, it was stated many times that Jesus had short hair and was CLEAN SHAVEN because THIS was the LAW in Nazareth and Jesus was a law abider. No verse was ever given as proof. 🙄
No joke, I heard our former pastor preach one night on how the Lord told him that the female church members had to have their hair touch thier shoulders or they could not longer serve in any ministry of the church…not even in the nursery! Funny thing was, his wife’s hair didn’t touch her shoulder. It was a good 2 inches shy of shoulder length. Of course her hair was NEVER allowed to be the topic of any conversation.
All the broo-ha-ha comes about because of the Fundamentalist mismanagement of Scripture. All that Paul did was tell the ladies in Corinth to behave with social propriety when they were praying or prophesying aloud, in public, in worship. Paul himself calls the head covering a custom. It’s not a Law. It’s not moral. It’s not spiritual. It’s what you do to not offend the natives. And yes, Mrs W, he was talking about covering her hair, not the hair itself.
The glory of a woman, at least in that culture, was her hair. So when she stood up in public to prophesy or pray, she covered her glory as a sign of her submission to the earthly order that God had created, for God (as Paul argues) has prominence over Christ, and Christ has prominence over men, and men have prominence over women, socially and in public. It’s not a spiritual thing in this instance (as God and Christ are equal) but a matter of prominence.
So a woman who has the Holy Spirit prompting her to speak still ought to not offend the natives (the Corinthian people). She ought to show that she is a proper and modest woman and therefore covers her glory, her hair, even as she speaks under the influence of God the Holy Spirit.
Paul bases his entire argument on nature and the natural order. And why does he do this? Because he is talking abotu what is socially acceptable and what is not socially acceptable. He is not talking about spiritual things but rather what is appropriate in public.
And yes, Fundamentalists have changed this into a cult of the Hair, and actually it’s just a lesson in proper social behavior for the women at Corinth.
So Mrs W., God cares abotu whether you are poor in spirit, whether you mourn over your sin, whether you are meek before Him, whether you hunger and thirst for righteousness, whether you are meek, merciful, pure in heart, able to rejoice in suffering. That’s what God cares about in us. Those are the cornerstones of Christian behavior. As for your hair length: no, He does not care.
That guy looks depressed. It looks like he is in desperate need of some â€˜guy timeâ€™.
After reading through these comments I know how he feels. 😛
Definitive Expository Preaching on Hair
Mitch, please, please tell me this is a joke! I listened to the whole thing–it was extremely entertaining, but surely it isn’t for real…
“Fundamentalists don’t make stupid mistakes. We know this is right because this is what we’ve been preaching.”
~ Dr. Barber
(oh, the irony!)
Isn’t there one of those rhetorical “laws” that suggest that what fundamentalists preach and espouse is indistinguishable from parody?
As “Upper” GI Barber once said….
Maybe this will help those genuinely misled to think hair can make you holy or unholy:
Ah! Poe’s Law!
Poe’s Law? Is that the one that says all internet discussions eventually revert to Hitler and nazis if allowed to run long enough?
No, that’s Godwin’s Law. Poe’s law points out that it is hard to tell parodies of fundamentalism (or, more generally, any crackpot theory) from the real thing because the real thing is so extreme.
Thank you pastor’s Wife. I have trouble keeping the theories about discussions about nutcases straight.
I want to grow my hair about 1/3 their length (from above pic)… Actually,I want my beard and hair to be even length eventually.
Now if I do that will it affect my salvation? or my walk with the Lord? (my family may disown me but just how will it affect my spiritual condition.)
**line baited and waiting to reel ’em in** 😉
Brother, let me warn you.
Your hair will not affect God’s salvific grace on your wretched soul. But long hair is a rebellion. (Amen?)
Get right with God, brother. Go to a barber tomorrow. Will you?
Could ya be giving me chapter and verse showing my rebellion. Now is that rebellion towards God or is it me rebellion towards the traditions of men? Now I may be a wee bit contentious and if so what does Paul have to say about that? Oh yes,”we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.”
So where’s me rebellion? 😕
Blah blah blah….Ancient landmarks….Paul said….Blah blah…Your witness…Blah.
Go to the Barber??? Naaaa, maybe next year…
My hair fell out last November because of chemotherapy. For six months I was bald. Now it’s growing back – its now about an inch in length.
I didn’t realize it before, but hair can be a source of pride and vanity in a woman. I know that it was for me. When I lost my hair, it was a blow to my vanity. So the point is – God doesn’t care about your hair. Hair can be a stumbling block for women. He cares about you no matter what your hair length.
Morgan, I’m sure you are beautiful. I hope this means you are now cancer free.
My issue isnt over hair length.
Its the idea that the Holy Spirit tells one person one thing, and another the complete opposite.
Such a mismanagement of scripture.
Maybe it’s the wording of “the Holy Spirit led me” but Romans 14 indicates that different Christians will feel free to do certain things while others will not feel free: “Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.” I agree that the Spirit is not the author of confusion, but there does not need to be confusion, only liberty as different Christians are convinced they can or cannot eat meat, observe certain days, or cut their hair. The Scriptures seem to indicate that even though people come to different conclusions on these issues, they can ALL do what they do as unto the Lord.
Exactly right. And there’s not really any way to deny these Scriptures.
It’s got nothing to do with what God says to you, for Paul never says these matters are settled by getting private revelations from God. But rather your choices are in these matters are about the strength of your faith. That’s what the passage is talking about: your faith. God is not telling you not to cut your hair. You simply lack strong enough faith to cut it. That’s actually what the passage means in your situation.
It is the job of the church to welcome you and not doubt your profession of Christ. But neither are we supposed to pretend that the weakness of your faith is anything other than what it is: weakness of faith. We hope that your faith is soon strengthened and that you proceed to the meat of the Word of God, which is Christ, and leave the elements of weakness, concern about hair length, behind you.
But if you want to avoid controversy and do what you do in peace, don’t come onto a web board announcing it. Simply follow your conscience. But from what Christ taught, it is clear that God is focused on things far more significant than whether or not you cut your hair. You may just as well talk about His leading in whether you pass soup to the right or to the left.
And exactly where in these scriptures does it say that the Holy Spirit gives you any direct revelation?
Its your conscience, but dont go saying that God told you to never cut your hair. Thats a lie, whether you believe it or not.
But these scriptures do not indicate extrabiblical divine revelation. They indicate that its a matter of conscience, which is precisely the point I was trying to make.
I agree that God doesn’t give extra-biblical revelation but these issues are matters of conscience.
I grew my hair long once. It was so thin, I couldn’t put it in a pony tail. Very disappointing.
Seriously, I don’t care if you want to require everybody to wear blue polo shirts and khakis, just don’t elevate your “standard” to Biblical law. Keep God out of your preferences.
Dan: “I grew my hair long once. It was so thin, I couldnâ€™t put it in a pony tail. Very disappointing.”
Karo corn syrup, Dan. It’s the ingredient mothers have been using for decades to get bows to stay in the hair of their little ones for family portraits. (If you want to try again on that pony tail thing). Just watch out for bees.
Jonah preached to Narnia.
Sorry. I was goofy last night. I wrote that at like 3am.
obviously, I meant Ninevah.
I just realized I’m not the only ‘Emily’ on this board so I added King. (I’m not the ‘Emily’ of the comments above, I’m the one who left fundyism for the military, lol.)
I know a lady at my workplace like this. Granted, she can’t let it down (safety reasons. Factory). But on the one day of the year that we don’t have to do actual work, I think she lets it down. Dang. I was surprised how long it was!
I’ve had my hair cut short ever since hippie hair went out of style in the late 70’s. There’s nothing more unattractive than thin, stringy long hair (especially greasy and graying)on adult women. It makes me want to throw up. Seriously. Can’t they see how awful it looks?
Perhaps they don’t care if it looks good to you. 😎 To each their own!
The Fundamentalists least favorite verse should be added to this discussion:
oops…bad link. This is the right one.
Actually, my pastor loved this verse: he said that since only God can look on the heart, we need to be very concerned about how we present ourselves to others. You know, “testimony” and all that. 🙄
I read all the stuff about that family with the long hair- interesting. The hair tonic they sold was mostly witch hazel. Fascinating story of those sisters because of the time period and the masses always want to follow people like idols.
Jonah was supposed to preach in Ninevaeh.
Narnia is a movie.
Thanks for letting us all know. I am sure Emily will make sure that she doesn’t offend your infinite knowledge of films and bible pronunciation (pro-nun- see-ay-shun) next time.
Also, she already said she was tired when she wrote it and corrected it later. You cannot edit comments.
When I started reading the Bible for myself, at about 6 or 7, I hated Paul because he said women should not wear braids, and I had typical 50’s braids. Much later, I was told that Paul was probably objecting to the fantastically complex hairdos of the age. See sculptures of Roman women, with braids formed into sort of a crown. I’m sure he thought that instead of spending all that time and money getting coifed, the women should have been donating to him, and not drawing attention to themselves.
No. Just no.
Poor women and rich women were having interpersonal issues over jealousy. So Paul requested that the rich women take it down a few notches in the name of getting along.
We’ve mostly lost dress standards as a culture, but it would be like the difference between church clothes and ball gowns. He’s not saying don’t have ball gowns—just chill and don’t wear them to church.
My great-grandma was a Methodist PK. Her father was a really gentle, loving man (dude cried and prayed to discipline his kids) but had 2 sticking points: hair and jewelry. She cut her hair the day she left for her first teaching job and never had it long again! This was even BEFORE the 1920s—she wasn’t allowed to trim her hair at all—I think mainly it must have been that she couldn’t have the frizzy bangs that were in style. She loved the bob when it came around!
Another g-grandma had ankle-length hair. She was SDA, so plenty kooky back then (they’ve gotten much less nuts) but she just liked long hair.
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