What pastor wants = what God wants
God’s Word is supposed to be a lamp to our feet, not the Pastor’s preferences.
Words fail to describe the level of crazy it has to take to endure or endorse these nutjobs.
My 10 month old son looked like he was about to cry when he heard all those screaming “No”s. I’d cry too. This man is ridiculous!
Isaiah 29:13b-“Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.”
seriously what does he use to get all amped up before he goes up to speak? The dude acts like a drug addict all wired and jumpy and pacing. lol
this schaap guy is a living joke.
when he said “cleavage”, every man in that auditorium (not sanctuary, mind you) immediately started thinking “mmm. cleavage.”
What’s wrong with open-toed shoes? Does he have a toe fetish? :-O
I’d be so tempted to visit that church wearing jeans and flip flops, and a sleeveless shirt, just to see how many people try to get me to pray a prayer… I don’t think I’d be able to sit there and tolerate Schaap’s nonsense, though.
But look at all those people sitting there listening. I just don’t get why they put up with this.
Wow. The whole “N-N-NO NONONO [et cetera ad nauseum] This isn’t your house! IssKODShouse!” reminded me of something I’ve seen in a cartoon or movie somewhere but, for the life of me, I can’t remember what. Daffy Ducky comes to mind but that’s not it…
I also like the line, “Yes, ma’am. Whatever the pastor would like.”
Thanks for posting this, Darrell. Every time I start to feel a smidge of guilt about the things I say about the HAC/KJVO/etc. crowd, you post a clip like this. 😀
“And he” (Jesus I presume) “says, ‘I’ll know you are listening to me when you say, ‘Well, what if the preacher wants….'”
No, no, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO. NO!!
This is not your house, this is Jack Schaap’s house. Ichabod – the glory has departed (if it was ever there in the first place).
How does anyone put up with this? WHY does anyone put up with this?
@RWagner: ha! so true! i don’t know how many people have ever had the “pleasure” of being around people on speed, but he does appear to have some crank-like tendencies. i wonder if we’ve got a ted haggard situation here…
This guy is a nutcase and quite possibly on drugs.
What a raging lunatic!!!!!
Wow! There’s a living, breathing, yelling reason for a bride and groom to head for the door and find another church to be married in. The pastor is nuts? RUN!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Satan desired to be equal with God as well…
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO etc.
What a sad, sick little man.
“NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO etc.”
This should be the appropriate reaction from all discerning Christians to preaching like this!
C U L T
That is why they stay glued to their seats and in rapturous adoration drink freely at the pool of communal Jack Crap koolaid.
Programming, massive group programming… and Pride (never in a million years will the sheeple admit that they were wrong). So, they continue following the darkside and in a collective, Borg like, existence of cognative dissonance shunning biblical truth and reality.
When the Lord was working on my heart for those four months before He did a work of grace in my heart and life, the Holy Spirit was working on me using Matthew 7:21-23:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
I know that I was not, and am not the only one to whom this verse applied/applies. There are thousands if not millions who are just like I was, sitting in church being all spiritual and all, thinking they are saved, busy doing, doing, doing… who will one day hear these awful words, “I never knew you… depart from me your worker of lawlessness.”
I can’t help but think that this man worship where the so-called anointed m-o-g stands and lectures the sheeple will stand with Diotrephes (Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. 10So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church) or worse.
For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness
Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
No, they have foot fetishes. (Both men and women!)
I attended a Fundy-Women’s conference in my black-boot-looking shoes while the rest of me was perfectly in line with the fundy-lady-uniform…….. and those women gave me the glare.
I wore my sneakers to church…and got the glare….from women.
There was a woman who had trouble walking because she had a five pound tumor removed from her lower back….and she still wore her three inch heels to church.
A 10 year old who went to my ex-church wore her sneakers….and the ladies felt sorry for her and wanted to buy her a pair of dress shoes for church.
I told several women that my bad knees wouldn’t let me wear girly shoes….and I still got the speech about dressing respectfully for the house of God. They expected me to further tear up my knees so I wouldn’t make their church look bad. 🙁
So. while these men of Gawds may get the glory by yelling their standards from the pulpit, the ladies are just as bad (and sometimes worse) about forcing these “standards” on each other.
It’s because there is no trust. The woman treat you like that so they can feel superior, but secretly they are afraid you will lure their husband (or pastor) away with your painted toe nails in your wordly sandals and sleeveless shirts.
I trust my husband and he trusts me. A woman could walk in the room buck naked and I trust my husband to do the right thing. What does it say about these men? I think it says that their lustful thoughts are so out of control that they can’t see a woman’s toes or armpits without falling into sin.
@Jordan M. Poss, are you familiar with Sam Kinison? That’s what it sounded like to me.
well at least by saying “whatever the pastor would like” he made his motives crystal clear – its not like we have to wonder…
Can I just say that fbc wins the prize for ugliest pulpit ever?
@Beaker: I hadn’t previously heard of him, but after watching a few pertinent clips on YouTube… wow. Schaap’s screaming DoppelgÃ¤nger.
Yep. In those churches it all comes down to “whatever the pastor would like” because, doncha know, he’s got a hotline to heaven, and is more spiritual so he hears more clearly from the Holy Spirit in these matters. I tell you, he has his reward, and may God have mercy on those he’s led astray.
â€Ž”It was pride that changed angels into devils; it is humility that makes men as angels.” –St. Augustine
Today happens to be his Feast Day. St. Augustine, pray for us!
Check the tantrums in 4:40 – 5:30. I especially like “Listen, bud. If you wasn’t me, I’d smack you right in the puss.”
There’s definitely a resemblance.
At first I thought it was Jim from The Vicar of Dibley– “No, no, no, no,no….” but there was not yes at the end.
Oh course the have foot fetishes when thats one of the few body parts you see. Ankle fetishes along with forearm/hand, and neck fetishes probably run high in fundyland.
I remember ankle socks were banned at Christian school… because, you know, ankles are sooooo sexy!
Oh yes, I know what it’s like to have blue-haired old women sitting behind me and talking about how “unfeminine” and “unladylike” I must be because I was wearing jeans and a sweater and sneakers to church. Never mind that my family was poor and couldn’t afford fancy clothes to wear one day a week.
And I know the screaming type of pastor well. This same church had a pastor that would jump up and down, shout, yell, and act as if he was having a general fit. And then there was the guest speaker whose voice would start out normal and then get louder and Louder and LOUDER until finally he SCREAMED in this high, shrill voice that was like nails on a chalkboard and then he did it over and over and over. And my boyfriend would always wonder why I left church with a headache.
@ Kat and mbi2000…
My MIL tells us that when she was a girl, she and her sisters had to cross a creek on the way to school. She says that boys would hide in the woods near the creek to watch them lift their skirts up to their knees while crossing the creek.
I guess people take what they can get. LOL
@ all Don’t pick on Sam Kinison what’d he ever do to be compared to Schaap?
Besides Sam got all his training as a Baptist preacher… no joke, before he got in to comedy he was a Baptist Preacher.
@kat – We were not allowed to wear open toed shoes to my Christian high school and when we asked the pastor’s wife, who set the school dress code, why she told us the reason was that toes were seductive. I was afraid it was a tmi look into her husband’s particular attractions. 🙁
To me the whole No No No thing was oddly reminiscent of an angry, fundy version of Jim Trott. I kept waiting to hear the yes at the end of all the no no nos.
I’m confused. Obviously any women who would want to get married at FBCH would already be so indoctrinated as to not wear anything “scandalous.” I know, I know. It’s Schaap. But has he run out of things to scream about?
What’s wrong with something that’s sleeveless??? I’m confused. Sleeveless does not = being able to “see undergarments or even worse.” I’m guessing he probably would advocate the band-aid thing if he heard about it.
Lifechurch.tv has a sermon this weekend about toxic religions. The pastor came out of similar churches. Really good sermon you can watch online. My favorite line: “Toxic religions are about DO, a relationship with Christ is all about DONE.”
@ Kat “I remember ankle socks were banned at Christian schoolâ€¦ because, you know, ankles are sooooo sexy!”
I had a preacher boy friend in college (mid 90s) who said that the first thing he notices in a girl is her ankles – something about the sign of good child bearing. I didn’t quite get it.
Your preacher boy friend was a bit confused—that’s hips. But God forbid he should look at those. His head would probably have exploded.
My summer wardrobe is from the “Larry the Cable Guy Collection.” I guess I my life will never be complete, as I am not firm in my faith in Jack to leave my life of sinful open-toed shoes and sandals and sleeveless clothing.
What’s he going to do when he finds out that people are naked underneath all their clothes?
Don, Sam Kinison was a Pentecostal preacher before he turned to comedy, not Baptist. 😉
Sometimes I’d love to be 15 again, and break all the rules. That Christian school diploma was unaccredited, and if I would’ve been suspended or got a ton of demerits, it wouldn’t count toward anything in life (because I sure wasn’t going to one of their “approved” colleges! haha).
Oh well, I kept a good reputation and had some references for my first job… and then I soared from there in every job I got until I got married, and I’m loving being a wife and mom even better! And, I wear jeans, flip flops, ankle socks, etc… 😀
This is my favorite Schaap rant too.
I stand corrected, he was a Pentecostal.
But I still wouldn’t defame Kinison by comparing him to Schaap…. *shudder*
Kenison deserves better than that.
As far as what I think about pastors in general: if you put them all in a bag, shake it up, pour them out…. yeah, yeah I know… broad brush… blah, blah, blah… some are sincere men and they are trying the very best they know how. I just can’t help it, I no longer have any confidence in any man who stands in front of a crowd of people and says… aahhh what’s the use, I’m the one who has to live with this not ya’ll. g’nite
“This is not your house, this is Jack Schaapâ€™s house.”
You took the words right out of my mouth!
grace2live said, “Iâ€™m guessing he probably would advocate the band-aid thing if he heard about it.”
The band-aid rule was at that church’s college!
At my wife’s confirmation, the church told us that the women couldn’t show cleavage, because the Bishop was going to be there, and they couldn’t bear thinking about boobs popping out during the Catholic shuffle (bow-sit-stand-kneel).
Large Hispanic presence + rule against showing cleavage = lots of rule breaking.
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