For today’s distinction we sat down with Pastor Dr. Bro. Raymond Heller pastor emeritus of Â Soulwinners Only Baptist Church in Houston, TX for a brief Q&A about the importance of having a saved and (then sometime later) baptized church membership.
SFL: Hello, Dr. Bro. Raymond Heller! Thanks for agreeing to talk to us today.
Dr. Bro. Heller: I’m always glad for the opportunity to tell apostates, heretics, and baby baptizers where to go. And by that, of course, I mean I like to tell them where to go in the Bible to see that I’m right and they’re headed straight to perdition.
SFL: Â So let’s get right to it. Â Why do Baptists believe in a saved and baptized church membership?
DBH: We believe that because the Bible says it in…well, a bunch of places. Also because all the other churches which are full of unsaved people have corrupts everybody’s manners with bad conversations. An unsaved membership is also what has lesbian, drum-playing, baby baptizing pastors taking over churches across America.
SFL: Â So how do you know who in your church is actually saved? Isn’t God the only one who can see the heart?
DBH: Well we can’t be 100% sure of course that any individual person is actual born again. But after a person makes several professions and is baptized four or five times, we feel that it’s a pretty good indicator of their sincerity. I mean they wouldn’t keep coming back to make sure they really, really mean it unless they really, really meant it.
SFL: Can you list me some other ways that you can be reasonably sure a person is saved and safe to include in the church membership?
DBH: Â Well, a few trips down to the altar during bible conference help to show a tender heart. Driving the bus for the missions trip to Mexico shows a willingness to serve. And of course we’re always looking out for people who give until it hurts and then give until it feels good and then give until it hurts again but in a way that strangely feels kind of good.
SFL: So what I’m hearing is that you really have no more idea whether your baptized church members are saved than the member of churches who baptize babies do?
DBH: Young man, this sort of evil questioning leads me to think that you sound to me like a person needs to get saved and baptized himself.
SFL: I appreciate your concern but I’m actually already a believer.
DBH: Well it can’t hurt to pray again just to make sure. Here let me show you a few verses…