238 thoughts on “Fighting The Really Important Battles”

    1. george was so excited about singing “Ha-pee Birfday” this morning and then the possibility of being first-us was just tooo much. GoooooD MorNing SFL!

        1. Happy birthday to you,
          You live in a zoo …

          No, wait, you’ve already graduated from PCC.

          Happy Birthday, Dar-El.

    1. Hey, you never know. There might’ve been lots of trees somewhere around. Or he could’ve just been an idiot.

    1. I was born and raised in the South, I live in the South, my grandparents spoke with accents you could cut with a knife, and I speak with a Southern accent when I’m in the right mood, yet I still can’t help having a reflexive reaction that says people with C.T.’s particular flavor of hillbilly accent are idiots, or at least ignorami (if that’s the plural of “ignoramus”). Maybe it’s the way he said “coming out by the groves.” Or maybe it’s how the first thing he said was, “Hey, this is C.T.,” pronouncing “Hey” with three syllables, and “C.T.” with five syllables.

      Accent bigotry is an unfair prejudice, but … sheesh, what does he have in his mouth that makes him sound like that?

      1. I think it’s because those of us who grew up in the South can recognize the difference between genuine southern accents and put-ons a mile away. I never did like the habit of IFB puh-reach-ahs sort of “regionalizing” their accent to sound more bona fide gen-yew-ine. As if Jesus spoke with a southern English accent.

        It reminds me of the quote at the beginning of Huckleberry Finn where Mark Twain pointed out that his dialectical “shadings have not been done in a haphazard fashion, or by guesswork; but painstakingly, and with the trustworthy guidance and support of personal familiarity with these several forms of speech.” I imagine MT was speaking tongue-in-cheek here, but his point was a good one about the typical slaughter of southern English by non-speakers trying to invent what they think sounds like real southern English.

      2. Also, speaking of “accent bigotry,” I grew up in East Texas and it always used to make me squirm when the older A Beka readers and such would insist on italicizing the names of Mexican foods, e.g., /tacos/ or /chili/ or whatever. Also never mind that chili is not a Mexican food, but the poor catholic Pedros and Pacos with their Mamacitas always ate it anyway. The racism toward hispanics in the A Beka curriculum was ridiculous.

        1. I went to public school, lived in San Diego area until I was 12, and then moved to Tucson area. I never saw an A Beka reader, but if I did, that would have bothered me too, as I started eating tacos as soon as I had teeth!
          But you in Texas have Tex-Mex. In San Diego and Tucson we have Mexican food that’s south of the border style; Baja and Sonoran. Fish tacos, yum! :mrgreen:

        2. Actually, most reasonably sized cities in Texas have both authentic Mexican and TexMex. Larger cities will also have CalMex and NewMex.

      3. I am a born and bred Southerner I get annoyed at accent bigotry as well. Hollywood really gets under my skin with this. Everyone from anywhere in the South apparently sounds like a failed audition for Gone With The Wind. Never mind that a Southerner can pick out the regional accents that are pretty obvious. People from the North Carolina hills and the Alabama coast may both speak with a ‘Southern accent’ but no reasonable person thinks they sound the same.

        End of rant that has little to do with the topic at hand. :mrgreen:

        1. Yes, I’ve seen plenty of movies where they had, for example, Texans speaking with Georgia accents, or New Orleans people sounding like they were from Alabama. That’s called having a bad accent coach.

        2. When Hollywood gets it right, it’s a miracle. I remember a BBC show that had folks in North Carolina in a pirogue going down a bayou. Yeahhhhh, you missed by a few states, there.

          Kevin Spacey did a reasonable facsimile in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, but that was an anomaly.

        3. Agreed,Stony. I thought that Dame Maggie Smith’s Louisiana accent in Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood was brilliant . . . and hilarious: “what are we s’posed to dooo? Cahnk her on the hayead??”

        4. There’s bayous in North Carolina?!? 😯

          (Now I’m thinking ‘Born on the Bayou!'” There’s a good kind of revival!)

        5. Can’t help but jump in here:

          The most perfect fake accent I ever heard was Martin Sheen’s take on Robert E. Lee in “Gettysburg”. My jaw hit my chest when I first heard him. 😯 It was a dead-on, what we in SE Virginia call the Chesterfield County accent. Per. fect.

          Then I heard Martin Sheen use the same accent when he played someone from Atlanta. Epic fail. 😡

      4. I learned two facts at a seminar given by a linguist: 1)No accent is inherently stupid or ignorant. 2)Everyone has an accent. His may be affected and that is not good.

      5. I learned two facts at a seminar given by a linguist: 1)No accent is inherently stupid or ignorant. 2)Everyone has an accent. His may be affected and that is not good. The misuse of the word “groves” is sad and does ignorance. To class people as ignorant because of their accent is arrogant, which I think is something we (yes, we) often accuse the fundies of being. 🙄

      6. I learned two facts at a seminar given by a linguist: 1)No accent is inherently stupid or ignorant. 2)Everyone has an accent. His may be affected and that is not good. The misuse of the word “groves” is sad and does show ignorance. To class people as ignorant because of their accent is arrogant, which I think is something we (yes, we) often accuse the fundies of being. 🙄

    2. I too was born and raised in the South. The TV-movie Southern accent thing that bothers me the most is the incorrect use of y’all. Y’all is a contraction of “you all” and CANNOT refer to one person (at least I have never heard it used that way by anyone who uses it). But all the time on shows, I hear supposed-to-be Southerners saying to one person, “Y’all look nice tonight” or some sort of drivel. Isn’t interesting that people trying to make Southerners look ignorant often succeed only in demonstrating their own abysmal ignorance?

      1. I think “y’all” can be singular, as long as you are willing to use “yall all” when you speak to more than one person.

        1. … So the contraction of “y’all all” is “y’all’ll”?

  1. “If there’s ever been a time for Christians to stop fighting each other an stand up for the word of God, it’s today.”

    It’s not world poverty that provokes Christians to forget their differences and band together. The massacres in Colorado and Wisconsin weren’t big enough causes. Neither are tsunamis or earthquakes.

    But a gay man wanting his partner to be able to receive his health benefits? This is madness!

    Reminds me of something Cary Schmidt from Lancaster Baptist tweeted on August 1:

    “Turns out all it took to get the Christians to all love each other was a chicken sandwich!”

    Even if it’s true, I’d be embarrassed to admit that it’s easier to get a bunch of Christians together to oppose marriage equality (or anything involving gay people, really) than it is to get them to support anything.

    Okay. Rant over.

        1. I just looked up “petrichor.” What a great word! You can be sure I’m going to find some excuse to use it again.

    1. christians enjoy THIS type of activism because it requires absolutely no sacrifice, and in fact encourages them to indulge further into the type of consumerism that’s as deeply ingrained in them as it is in the “secular” world.

    2. I was thinking of posting the same rant. Children go hungry in this country every day. There is human trafficking taking place under our noses. There are people struggling just to keep a roof over their families’ heads.

      But how do we stand up for the gospel in this country? Eat fast food chicken to prove we don’t want one group to have any equality.


  2. It’s amazing that people can associate “revival” with patronizing a fast-food restaurant. New York State has only one Chick-Filla located in New York City, so people had to travel hundreds of miles to go to the one in Erie, PA. Numbers therefore prove nothing.

    Gays are upset that Chick-Filla money goes to the likes of Brian Fisher who, among other things, advocates that people kidnap the children of gay parents, throw gays in concentration camps and let them starve to death, and so on. Rightwingwatch has documented all of the crazy stuff that this guy says.

    This issue is a much ado about nothing. In the worst case scenario, it will turn into another Anita Bryant affair. Back in the 70s, Bryant represented an orange juice company. She also villified the gays. At first she was a hero, but as time went on, she became the representative of hate. As a result, she was eventually fired from her job, and she was left doing some sort of obscure thing in a somewhat obscure place. Fundies will soon forget the entire issue, or they will get tired of going out of their way to buy crappy chicken (I tried their stuff years ago and hated it!) If the other side gets the hate label to stick, Chick-Filla could still be popular in the south, but it won’t make much of an inroad in the north, and as it stands, it is pretty much a southern company. New York has only one store; Pennsylvania has something like 59 as does Ohio. Florida has tons of them as does Georgia where the company is based.

    1. What, you hate Chick-Fil-A’s chicken?!? You must be a heathen! (Or a Northerner!) 😯 😆

    2. Bob H, you are very correct. I’m a “yank” and had no idea what Chick-fil-A was until I saw a few fundy friends posting about it on facebook. No one I know here in the north cares and we think it’s just a weird southern thing to celebrate “supporting biblical marriage” by stuffing your face with fast food. ??

      1. I lol’s at that comment! I now can see people in areas of the country that don’t have Chick-Fil-A’s shrugging their shoulders and scratching their heads about this! We’ve had Chich-Fil-A’s here for several years now and it is a popular place to eat.

    3. We have two Chick-Fil_A a few miles appart here in NE Ohio. We all know they are very Christian because thet are closed on Sunday and because they fired an unmarried female worker who got pregnant.I guess it’s very Christian to leave a woman and infant destitute. 🙁

      1. Dan Cathy keeps bragging about how “Biblical” he is. I guess the Biblical model he was following there was Abraham’s treatment of Hagar and Ishmael. 😥

      2. “fired an unmarried female worker who was pregnant” does not necessarily equal “fired an unmarried female worker BECAUSE she got pregnant.”

        Just sayin. Without the facts, I’m not going to judge. I just fired one of my employees who has 4 kids at home and his wife doesn’t have a job. But I certainly didn’t fire him BECAUSE he has 4 kids at home. That of course would be ridiculous. Nor am I unchristian for not giving him an income any longer.

        1. Possibly true. Unless I know why she was fired, I guess I shouldn’t comment. I was assuming she was fired BECAUSE she got pregnant.

        2. EOE time. Since they are franchises, I wouldn’t hold it against the whole company though. Like McDonald’s got in trouble for refusing to hire a transsexual once they realized she was a transsexual, but that wasn’t indicative of the stand the whole company takes.

      3. Of course, they fired her. How else would they prove that they are anti-abortion and anti-welfare? You need to have that baby, but we will do all we can to make sure you have no resources to support it. We will try to kick you out of high school, advocate that colleges don’t admit you, and make sure you have no job.

    1. Yes, that was my “favorite” bit of this, too. What kind of mom would wake her child up at 3:00 in the morning so she could clean his room? Sounds like there’s an interesting backstory to C.T.’s childhood…

  3. I like how they are trying to represent that all of the poeple there are “Christians”. Christians, as the IFB uses the term, is of course only if they believe exactly like they do. I find it funny because I would imagine that only a small percentage of the people there are IFBers. The rest would be Lutherans, Southern Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians. Heck there might even be a stray Catholic or two. Therefore, those “Christians” that are being praised for being there today, will be sermon fodder on Sunday.

    1. Exactly what I was thinking when this whole thing went down. People from my fundy church we’re all excited about the turnout, and all I could think of was how they considered probably 98% of the people there to be hellbound heretics. Kind of reminds of Prop 8, when fundies were able to tolerate Mormons for a while since they were donating to the cause.

      1. I suspect that many of these IFBers will tolerate a Mormon and a Catholic in November and will appreciate their “Christian” stand on the issues.

        1. To be fair, the IFB can’t be fond of the United Church of Christ (Obama’s church), either. But yes, it is going to be fascinating to see Fundy pastors lining up behind Mormon Mitt and Papist Paul.

        2. I thought it was funny when my hubby’s fundy pastor said there’s no one really to vote for this November and stay within your beliefs. :mrgreen:

        3. Right. Because every prior American election has featured a bona fide IFB candidate. 🙄

        4. Especially since the Republican Primary season was one string of God’s Anointed POTUS after another, From St Santorum to Godly Gingrich, the only constant being (cue squalling baby dinosaur) “NOT THE MORMON! NOT THE MORMON! NOT THE MORMON!”

        5. I may get flamed for this, but IMO George W. may have been a fine Christian but seemed to lack the ability to instill confidence in his leadership. Sometimes I think many conservative Christians would vote for ANYONE who they were convinced was a good, Bible believing Christian, irregardless of any other political qualifications

        6. Headless, by my count, at least four of the people running for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination said some version of “God told me to run”– Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, and Santorum. I’m not sure whether or not Herman Cain also said it during his occasional moments of relative lucidity.

          So apparently, God does have a sense of humor.

        7. What Fundies need to realize is that they are voting for a PRESIDENT, not a PASTOR. My reason for wanting a “none of the above” button has nothing to do with religious views so much as I don’t personally think either one is suitable for the job according to my political views.

    2. Exactly…in any other scenario, IFB types would have nothing to do with most of these other “compromisers”. IS it just me or does it seem that conservative Christians in general are overly concerned about turning back the morality clock in America such that if we can return America to what many perceive as its historical, cultural, moral, Judeo-Christian values, all will be well in Christendom. Maybe we desire this because it would allow us to continue to call ourselves Christians without having the stand out and look “odd” in the culture we live in. I sense it especially strong in the southern Bible Belt where where this facade of cultural Christianity seems to pervade life in the form of “I believe in the Good Book and try do what my granny taught me”. But then again, it’s prolly just me…

      1. What fascinates me about the love of the imagined past is that, as a student of history and as an old person who remembers roughly the last-half century, I can assure you that there was never a time in American history when things were the way so many Fundies and Fundy-ish people think they were. Depending on their age, they think that golden era was a generation, or two, or three ago. But read newspapers from 40, 50, 75, 100, or 200 years ago. Things were never that way.

      2. IS it just me or does it seem that conservative Christians in general are overly concerned about turning back the morality clock in America such that if we can return America to what many perceive as its historical, cultural, moral, Judeo-Christian values, all will be well in Christendom.

        In the Islamic world, the Wahabi and Salafi movements (which run Saudi and went more extreme to become the Taliban) are also concerned with “turning back the morality clock” into a Perfect Golden Age — “As it was in the Days of the Prophet…”

  4. Fighting the important fights? What, like getting rid of the physical and sexual abuse within their own churches, and shining the light of accountability on their pastors? That’s a fight worth fighting.

    1. Of course you’re right but the problem is that there is no meal involved with the things you suggest.

      Now, if the Chain that started this ferfuffel would have been Vegan or hamburger I seriously doubt it would have gotten the same rise out of IFB pastors that a young, tender, succulent, white breast, of fried chicken gives them.

      1. Why do I suddenly have the urge to go get chicken and then go home to my wife?.. weird…

      2. I mean they get their paws on those soft, tan, squeezable buns, and put that delicious flesh to their mouth… it’ll make you want to polish your pull-pit I tell ya’! “Oh..oh..oH..Oh…OH! 😯

        1. I don’t know if Chick-fil-A does TV spots, but Schaap could definitely do the voiceovers. Preferably with the “Polishing the Shaft” voice(s).

  5. Did that American flag waving at the end just happen to be the same flag waving at the sikh temple?

    Also I did notice he doesn’t believe there are any Christians in Chicago or in San Diego.

    1. No Christians in Chicago?
      Too bad there are no IFB people in the Chicago area doing soul-winning and bus ministries.
      Oh, wait …

  6. I personally like Dr. Sexton. I don’t always agree with him but he has always been kind to us. C.T.Townsend is another story. I believe we will hear see much more from him on SFL in the future. One of the most arrogant young preachers I’ve heard. He usually builds himself, his wife & son up in order to put others down. 😈 Obvious he sets up pictures to post on his fb page.

    1. I like Dr. Sexton, too. All around nice guy. He’s goes a little overboard in the numerology department.

  7. On a side note, did I hear him say that people are coming out “by the groves”?

    Yes, you did! 🙄

    1. Um. Psalm 1 says the RIGHTEOUS shall be like a TREE planted by the rivers of water. Trees grow in groves. So that is what he meant and “groves” is more 1611KJBiblical than “droves” (which has a funny sound and might be a hoe-moe-sexual word).

      1. I was thinking more like all those groves the good kings were always cutting down (and Gideon cut one down, too) where the people worshipped idols.

    2. Well, if you have a bunch of trees, it’s a grove, so if you have bunches of bunches of people, people are coming out by the groves. Makes sense to me.

      Either that, or there’s groves around there that people have to go by in order to get there, so when he sees them they are literally “Coming out by the groves!”

    3. More likely he just mispronounced “gross”.

      Though a gross (144, a dozen dozens) is a pretty obscure amount. Maybe he was going for the symbolic value of 12 x 12, or 144,000?

      1. You mean 12 x 12 x 1000.

        Isn’t that supposed to be the number of the Elect, or of the Remnant, or something like that?

    4. I’m trying to come up with a clever statement that combines the groves mentioned here with orange groves and Anita Bryant and the post by Bob H. My mind isn’t sharp enough today.

      1. Back when Anita Bryant was spokeswoman for Florida Orange Juice, we had a filk of her ad jingle going around the schoolyard. Went like this:

        “Come to the Florida Sunshine Tree
        For fresh-tasting orange juice —
        Orange juice! Guaranteed faggot-free
        From the Florida Sunshine Tree!”

  8. I think everyone is missing the most important question..
    What kind of motorcycle is that?

      1. Me neither.

        And I noticed the music had what my fundie sister calls a “soft rock beat.” Which is supposedly a sin, but after two decades of crappy missionary videos with pirated soundtracks of the softer CCM numbers, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised they are moving on to this kind of schlock.

    1. Yes, I couldn’t tell if the music was dubbed in on purpose, or if those two fundies were standing next to a rock band. Either way, it pretty effectively drowned out everything “Dr.” Sexton had to say.

    1. Yeah I was wondering how people can read (in red words, in fact) Be salt and be light and figure Christ meant go get a chicken sandwhich. Moronic.

      1. It has a lot of salt in it, and it’s light meat.

        You’re welcome.

        1. Oooh Big Gary, you earned a doctorate?!?!?!?! When can we schedule you to come preach at our church!?!?!?!

        2. It so happens I’ve got an opening for Labor Day. Sermon title: Workers of the World, Unite!
          Bible text: Matthew 20: 1-16.

  9. Yes, he did say people are “coming out by the groves.”

    Not surprising, really. Druids and other pagans have always done their worship in sacred groves.

    Maybe these folks are graduates of the Sacred Grove Academy …

    … or members of the Order of the Sacred Grove:

    I’m guessing the gathering shown in the video was a benefit for the Sacred Grove Planting Programme:

    1. “And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.” -Judges 3:7

      So they’re serving the groves at Chick-fil-A?

      1. Yeah, I know.
        I just think it’s a cheap thrill when all you have to do to “stand up for your principles” is eat a fast-food lunch that you were going to eat anyway.

        That’s also sort of true about the people boycotting Chik-fil-A. OK, just don’t think that makes you Cesar Chavez or Nelson Mandela or Mother Teresa.

        1. I was only stating the obvious, even though a lot of people try to articulate another reason. You know, the 1st Amendement blather.

          My FB status on that day was something like, “I don’t care what side of an issue you reside. Just because you believe something, it doesn’t give you the right to be self-righteous.”

          I only had one person reply, and he only asked it if it had something do with chicken sandwiches. I said, “well, it’s not JUST chicken sandwiches.” My point, of course, was that any given issue seems to bring out the self-righteous jackasses on both sides.

        2. If I had gone to eat chicken on “that day” it would have been for 1st amendment reasons. I’ll try not to read too much into your “blather” comment, but am curious if you really think freedom of speech isn’t a real issue.

        3. @ Mag: Freedom of speech is a real issue, but not this issue. This guy says what he wants, but we still have the right to disagree as much as we want. Too many people think that if you say something and everyone gets on your case about it, they’re trying to take away your first amendment rights. That is not what is going on here. (wishes people would get it right)

        4. All the people I know were upset about the supposed “we’re not going to give Chik-Fil-A a building permit in our city” crap. Get upset all you want – I don’t care. But you can’t violate law based on someone’s speech/opinion.

        5. Freedom of speech is often an issue, but not this time. Nobody tried to stop Dan Cathy from saying what he wanted to say, and nobody tried to stop other people from saying that he was wrong (or right).

          Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from criticism of your position. It just means you don’t need anybody’s permission to state your views, be they right or wrong.

          I don’t see a freedom of commerce issue here, either. People who want to will keep buying stuff from Chick-Fil-A, and people who don’t want to will continue not to buy from Chick-Fil-A.

        6. As I said on another thread, the city officials saying stuff about blocking Chick-Fil-A from their towns were just scoring some cheap points (just as the preachers in this video are doing). They know perfectly well that they can’t ban a business based purely on the political opinions of the business owners.

  10. I don’t doubt that line was long, but I can guarantee you it was nowhere near 1 mile let alone 2. Apparently he has no spacial awareness.

  11. I notice that “C. T” chose to vilify San Diego. What are the chances Cletus Tinkerbell meant San Francisco? As far as California cities go, I haven’t heard nearly as much condemnation of San Diego as San Francisco and Hellywood.

    1. Well, there is no reason why he should not TAKE A STAND against San Diego just because all those other panty-waist yellow-bellied preachers won’t do it!!!

    2. How can a Baptist be expected to remember which one of those Papist saints is which? 😉

      Seriously, though, isn’t the San Diego area one of the more conservative conurbations in California? It’s neither here nor there to me, but I thought that it was.

      1. I live in San Diego, and we have several Chick-Fil-A’s. And they are very popular. And also, San Diego IS probably the most conservative city in California. (Which is really not saying much at all.)

        1. I’m not so sure. Orange County is one of the most conservative areas in Southern California, possibly the state. Despite it’s…reputation, it’s VERY conservative and always votes Republican.

      2. I live close to SD, and we have Chick fil a, so he couldn’t have meant us! 😆 Chicago…well that’s where Obama came from, so maybe that’s why he mentioned them…

      3. I live close to SD, and we have Chick fil a, so he couldn’t have meant us! 😆 Chicago…well that’s where Obama came from, so maybe that’s why he mentioned them. But yes, SD is pretty tame.

    3. Yeah, it was San Francisco’s mayor, not San Diego’s mayor, that said no new Chick-Fil-A’s in “his” city! 🙄

  12. I never understood the practice of young preachers referring to some random celebrity MOG as “my pastor.” I thought the whole point of IFB was that the MOG needs no pastor.

    1. I actually gave this some thought while I was in Fundystan. I think it is a case of coat tail riding. “Brother Doctor Pastor Blatherskite has attained a bit of prominence in fundy circles so if I attach myself to him maybe some of his renown will rub off on me.”

    2. I never understood the practice of young preachers referring to some random celebrity MOG as “my pastor.”

      Fanboy dynamics. Groupies identifying themselves with their favorite CELEBRITY. This is just the Fundy version of it.

  13. From everything I can tell, for the most part, gays are treated well at chick-fil-a. The CEO thinks hommosexuality is a sin; he doesn’t hate them. And there is a video of a chick-fil-a in Tucson where an absolute jerk went through a drive through, chewed the poor girl working there up one side ande down the other for her “intolerance”, and she handled it graciously. Also, aren’t mayors that say they will not allow Chick-Fil-A’s in their cities infringing on American freedoms?
    What I’m trying to say is I support Chick-Fil-A. Most the people that work there aren’t intolerant, and the CEO did not say he hated gays, or anything close. I think both sides were looking for somewhere to stand, and Chick-Fil-A happened to be convenient.

    1. As I said above, the whole Chick-Fil-A thing is pretty much a cheap thrill for both sides.

      I saw the video you refer to, and I was favorably impressed by the grace with which that one woman handled the guy who was being a total jackass.

      The mayors, too, are just scoring easy points. In America, you can’t ban a business from your city just because you disagree with the owners’ politics.

    2. I agree. And I’m sure I frequent a lot of stores/restaurants whose owners hold beliefs I find repugnant, but if I like their product, who gives a flying crap? Not me!

      I also agree with an earlier comment that pointed out that fundies would’ve thought most of the people who came out that day to eat at CFA were hell-bound, lol. I didn’t see any fundies at the one I went to.

    3. There is nothing wrong with the CEO of the company having a belief or sharing it, and there is nothing wrong with CFA. As Sarah said, I trade money with companies who believe and support all kinds of things.

      I think the point, though, is that only a moron could ever believe that stuffing your face with chicken constitutes “taking a stand” for anything other than capitalism and really cynical marketing.

    4. By the way, the guy who went through the drive-up was canned from his CFO job the next day. I applaud his former employer for taking a stand against jackassery.

      1. I don’t know … THAT smacks of political discrimination/censorship.

        1. So if you worked for me, and you went through a drivethru for the sole purpose of berating a line worker, and film it, and post it, I might not fire you, but I’d mark your ass as a vicious dick that has no clue as to how franchises and businesses work. And I might even call your mother.

        2. No, that smacks of getting rid of a jackass from the payroll who makes the company look bad. He was a c-level executive. Therefore, his personal activity reflects on his employer. I would fire him, too.

  14. Hehehe “groves” that was great. I love the accents. Asheville TN? Hubby and I started to go to Chick-fil-A on that day- we forgot about the event- I did my first U-turn ever to get the heck away lol.

  15. Wait! Wait! Did his mom really turn the lights on in his room at 3:00 AM? What mom does that? What is she doing up at 3:00 AM?

      1. Yeah, usually getting up to do frenzied housecleaning in the middle of the night is a sign of mental illness.

        Or maybe Say-Tay’s father just had his woman in line, hay-men??

      2. That stood out to me, too. What kind of dysfunction did CT grow up in? It would explain his extreme fundamentalism as an adult.

    1. And if his mother was randomly turning his light on at 3:00am I am sure he did not yell at her to turn off the light. He would have gotten a whuppin’.

      I really dislike fundy story telling. 99% of them are fabrications. Just like this. Obviously making up a story to fit an illustration.

  16. In John Stuart Mill’s biography of his father one of the reasons given for his father’s dislike of religion is this, “He looked upon it as the greatest enemy of morality: first, by setting up factitious excellencies—belief in creeds, devotional feelings, and ceremonies, not connected with the good of human kind—and causing these to be accepted as substitutes for genuine virtue….”

    I’d say this whole video qualifies as this kind of thing. Take a stand for Jesus and freedom; eat some chicken. What a joke! And to put the manipulative minor cord music in the background to make people feel spiritual on top of it is just as bad.

  17. Even though Arizona is a Republican state, and known as conservative, Tucson really isn’t. There are more registered Democrats than Republicans, the majority of people are not regular church goers, and most people couldn’t care less if someone’s gay or straight. Yet, we do like our Chick-Fil-A. And I heard more than one person say they supported them because they didn’t like the fact that mayors of some cities in our supposed to be free country is trying to keep them out! Others support them because of good food and good customer service. So it’s not only Christian or even religious people in general that are supporting Chick-Fil-A.

  18. Dear C.T.

    Picture a table. On it sits a jar of mint, of dill, and of cumin. A man sits at the table, takes the mint, and pours it on the table. He takes a knife and very precisely divides the mint in half. Those piles are then quartered. He then takes very small, exact amounts from those eight piles of mint to create two more piles. He weighs each pile. Using the knife, he makes minute corrections to ensure that every last stem and leaf is in the correct pile. When he has 10 piles of mint with exactly the same weight, he repeats this process — for the dill, and then again for the cumin. When this is done, he takes one pile of mint, one of dill, and one of cumin. These he presents as an offering to God.

    Jesus said:

    “You have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness … blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! “Woe to you! Hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also. WWoe to you, scribes and Pharisees! Hypocrites! Whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside tare full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness! You appear righteous outwardly; inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness’ [Mt 24:23-28].

    Think this through.

    Now a question, CT! Did you know that US military spending equals that of the rest of the world combined? And some 25 of the next biggest military spenders are our allies.

    Since feeding the hungry [rather than incinerating them] is actually Jesus’ way [Mt 25:37; Ro 12:20], Mr. Dan Cathy might have asked people to show support by volunteering at their local food bank. Of course as a marketing strategy, that isn’t nearly as effective.

    If you actually are reading this, CT, I strongly urge you to see EverythingSux’ post above. [S]he nailed it with that comment about cheap sacrifice and consumer culture.

    Christian Socialist

    1. It should be noted that a demonstration of support for a company’s free speech does not equate the beginning of “revival fires” as CT is insinuating.

      But to jump on military spending, humans being incinerated and feeding the poor from this video clip seems a bit of a stretch.

      And while Jesus did feed the poor, he also does a fair amount of “incinerating” as well.

      1. Dear Tiffundy:

        The antecedents for my post are:

        1] Darrell’s title, ‘Fighting the Really Important Battles,’ and 2] EverythingSux’ reference to Christian activism without sacrifice.

        I take the title to mean that we ‘fight’ the little battles but ignore the great issues [see Mt 23:23-28 again].

        CFA Gay Day exemplifies the little ‘battles’ we do fight. The gods of consumerism and secularity [EverythingSux] plus hunger and war [Christian Socialist] exemplify the greater issues that we ignore.

        Whereas war is America’s central, liturgical act [Hauerwas], Jesus blessed the peacemakers. What fundamentalist preacher’s ‘sin-list’ includes screeds against consumer crapitalism or warmongering as examples of idolatrous secularity invading church and nation?

        Mt 23 notwithstanding, Jesus didn’t incinerate anyone [including gays or people from Chicago and San Diego]. He did reserve strong rhetoric for those who strain a [gay?] gnat but swallow a [consumerist/idolatrous/warmongering?] camel.

        Christians are bound to witness to Jesus’ resurrection whether or not that witness is ‘authorized.’ That makes ‘free speech’ irrelevant.

        Christian Socialist

    2. What I wouldn’t do to have an air force holding bake sales, and schools with too much money/resources! 🙂

  19. I just realized I can’t leave a comment here. And I’m sad about that.

    I can’t climb high enough on my high horse to make a comment about how Christians are too stingy with their money and should be giving it all to poor people like Jesus would do. And I’d have to come up with six or seven references, and I just don’t have those scriptures committed to memory and I don’t feel like looking them up.

    I can’t say anything about how I support the first amendment because it’s already been declared “blather”, and has been ruled out as an illegitimate argument. Anyone who went to Chick-Fil-A on August 1st (or any day for that matter) obviously just wants to bash gays, or be self-righteous.

    I can’t say anything about believing in the Biblical definition of marriage, because I’ll look like the idiot in this video. And someone will think that means I want to bash all the gays I see. Probably with my Bible.

    I can’t say anything about how I like Chick-Fil-A food, because some of it is unhealthy and I’m overweight, Gluttony is a sin; and I should take the chicken sandwich out of my eye before I worry about the speck of pepper in the eye of that gay guy over there. After all, he probably donates to charity.

    I can’t say anything about my opinion at all. So I won’t say anything.

    Seriously, people. Just because a fundy likes/supports/believes in something doesn’t mean you automatically have to be on the other side.

    And the Chick-Fil-A “issue” is pretty darn low on my list as far as “important issues” are concerned.

    PS – Don’t waste your time calling me a fundy. You can call me a chicken sandwich lover. Or a First Amendment supporter. Or an imperfect Christ-follower who tries to demonstrate His love to all people, no matter what they like to do in bed.

    1. I thought you said you couldn’t leave a comment. Then you left the longest comment of all. 😉

    2. Please, please, please. This is not a first admendment issue!!! You can say what you want. We can say what we want. Disagreeing with someone does not affect your right to free speech. Please someone, read the admendments a get a true understanding before bleating about someone trying to curtail your freedom of speech. (This is so a pet peeve of mine!)

      1. It’s not my freedom of speech – or yours – that I am “bleating” about. I’m glad we can all say what we want, no matter how condescending and insulting it happens to be.

        Nobody is preventing anyone from saying what they want, and certainly not at the level referenced in the bill of rights.

        It’s the issue of the expansion of business being prohibited by an elected official because a leader in that business exercised his right to free speech.

        Numbskulls like the guy in this video that gives people on one side of the issue a bad name. That’s one of my pet peeves.

      2. Dear Ungodly Pamphlets:

        Speaking of ‘free speech,’ did anyone solicit the chickens’ opinion?

        Obviously only joking. And not a very good joke at that!

        Christian Socialist

    3. Dear Sarcastic, Non-Fundy:

      De 24:12; 32:15; Ps 10:12; 12:5; 41:1; 69:33; 146:7; Pro 14:31; 28:27; Is 3:15; 49:10; 55:1; Jer 5:28; 31:14, 25; Ezk 22:29; Am 2:6; 5:11; 8:4; Zec 7:10; Mt 6:19-20; 19:21; Mk 8:36; 12:40; Lu 1:53; 12:15; 1Ti 6:10;

      Don’t forget Re 18, which is John’s ‘Kingdom of God, manifesto/critique’ of the economic policy of imperial Rome.

      There are tons more texts where those came from; let me know if I can ever help again!

      Christian Socialist

      1. I doubt we’d agree on very much of anything (philosophically speaking), but I like reading what you write on this site.

        I can tell we’re approaching this subject from completely different points of view, and I find yours interesting.

        I disagree with you – and I know it might be hard for some to believe – I don’t hate you.

        1. Dear Sarcastic, Non-Fundy:

          Thanks for a reply that I found both humorous and gracious! For a long time, my rhetorical flourish has been a source of delight and consternation [but seldom, indifference]. Commenting on my career in seditious malfeasance, dad once said, ‘yes — that boy’s mouth has been getting him in trouble for a long time now …’ It’s true. And I wouldn’t have it any other way!

          Love the Lord and live well, my friend!

          Christian Socialist

    4. I’m a pretty serious follower of Christ. I believe in a biblical-definition of marriage. (But saying that is like saying “I believe in gravity.”) And I very much approve the First Amendment, too. And yet, I agree with the sentiment of the OP, because (of all things), making a huge, ostentatious show of your opinions, which have been labeled “bigoted,” and throwing down your money at a business, is maybe not the worst way to bear witness to Christ to a dying world, but it’s awfully close to the worst way. To everyone but the right-wing culture warriors (myself included; i’m moderately right-wing, but I abhor culture wars), it looks more like a big middle finger than an invitation to consider Christ.

    5. I’m a pretty serious follower of Christ. I believe in a biblical-definition of marriage. (But saying that is like saying “I believe in gravity.”) And I very much approve the First Amendment, too. And yet, I agree with the sentiment of the OP, because (of all things), making a huge, ostentatious show of your opinions (which have been labeled “bigoted,”) and throwing down your money at a business, is maybe not the worst way to bear witness to Christ to a dying world, but it’s awfully close to the worst way. To everyone (me included) but the right-wing culture warriors, it looks more like a big middle finger than an invitation to consider Christ.

      1. And even saying something like “i believe in a biblical definition of marriage” is so difficult for me to say sincerely because through so much bad exegesis, the word “Biblical” has been stripped of nearly all meaning when it comes to things like this

  20. I believe most people misunderstood what CFA day was actually about. Dan Cathy simply gave his opinion on marriage. The storm that followed was the result of people blowing that out of proportion. CFA Day was not about Christian values as much as it was about free speech. It’s like Big Gary said, Fundies, Evangelicals, and GLBT got some cheap votes through it. I am a Youth Minister at a small SBC Church, and I went to CFA for free speech purposes. If the church rolls over for everything, then we’d be out of luck as far as evangelism and missions.
    I do wish, however, that we could get Christians that up in arms for world hunger, homelessness, and other needs our world has. I told our benevolence committee yesterday that the early church was able to win most of their converts through taking in the undesirable and feeding the hungry.
    Maybe we should tell people the liberals want us to stop giving to the poor.

    1. Free speech? Really? I haven’t eaten at a Chick-fil-A for years because Dan Cathy donates his money, earned from his business, to groups that oppose gay rights. He can think, and say, whatever he wants, so far as I am concerned; but I refuse to give him my money, even in exchange for tasty chicken sandwiches, if I know it’s going to support causes with which I disagree. I’m opposed to what he does, not what he says.

      1. George, what did you do with my last sentence? It should have read “I don’t think I’m alone in this.”

    2. Greg, this is not targeted specifically at you, I just noticed that you raised the “free speech” issue again. I heard that mentioned a lot in the context of this whole Chick-Fil-A thing.

      It was not about free speech. No one’s free speech rights were threatened. I am a recent law school graduate and (hopefully) soon-to-be licensed attorney. One area that I specialize in at my job is First Amendment law. Stuff like the Chick-Fil-A thing drives me crazy because the essence of the First Amendment is to provide for exactly what happened: one citizen expresses a viewpoint and other citizens express contrary viewpoints. That is what the “marketplace of ideas” is all about.

      Disagreeing with someone is not the same thing as violating their First Amendment rights. It does not matter how vehement or ugly the disagreement is. The First Amendment is designed to protect us from government, not from each other. One of the consequences of living in a democratic society is that the majority will not always side with the conservative Christian point of view. Here, there was no government oppression of free speech. Yes, I know some office holders made some off-the-cuff comments, but that did not constitute anything close to government oppression of anyone’s First Amendment rights.

      I personally think it cheapens the First Amendment for everyone when we misconstrue it to suit our own political and religious points of view. Contrary to a lot of their work, the Supreme Court has generally staked out a position on the First Amendment Free Speech Clause that most fundies cannot gripe about (obviously school prayer and other Establishment Clause stuff is a whole other issue).

      Believe me when I say that I am equally irritated when the First Amendment is twisted to support other points of view. It just happens that this time it was the evangelical/Christian community going a bit further than I think was warranted.

      1. The reason people are raising the Free Speech issue is not because someone’s were violated, its because everyone freaked out and starting “banning” (I used “” because that isn’t possible) CFA’s over what Dan Cathy said. I understand that people have the right to disagree, I often don’t shop at places that outspokenly support GLBT agendas, and that’s my right and theirs. My point on the Free Speech is everyone’s reaction to evangelical ideas. I know I am supposed to have the right, but whenever my side exercises it, they get pounded. You’d be surprised by how often free speech is denied. I see it all the time, especially in the schools my youth group attend.

        1. Greg, you’re right (and this may be the only time in history you and I agree, so miracles happen!). When the mayors started grandstanding about banning franchises, then it did become a free-speech issue. Because as Jon Stewart rightly pointed out, they would start first by banning the Catholic churches in their cities.

          But free speech does NOT keep people from disagreeing with you!

        2. I understand what you are saying, but I think that perhaps, in this case, the “pounding” of the “other side” was coming more from the evangelical neo-con and tea party community than the other way around.

          In our haste to see ourselves as victims of religious oppression (whether overt or covert), I think us American Christians forget that we all too frequently come across as oppressive to others as well. Evangelicals enjoy some of the best religious freedom in the world, not to mention a voice in politics that almost no other Christian group in recent history has ever enjoyed. I think it’s time to stop being shocked that the exercise of that freedom/influence is offensive to some and even perceived as threatening by some.

          To resurrect a popular theme on this blog (thanks to CERTAIN POSTERS :wink:), it was a Christian political movement that killed Servetus. The mixture of religion and politics is quite reasonably seen as a threat by others. History bears this out over and over again.

        3. As others have noted on SFL, American conservatives who think they are being persecuted have no idea what persecution is. Someone saying you are wrong is NOT persecution, and it isn’t censorship. Not getting everything you want in legislation and public policy is NOT persecution or censorship. Putting you in jail for saying something is persecution. Killing you because you belong to a certain religion, political group, ethnicity, or tribe is persecution. Making it illegal or impossible for you to speak or write is censorship. Such things are being done to various people in various parts of the world right now, but they aren’t being done to conservative Christians in the United States, and never have been, as far as I know.

    3. Again, there’s no freedom of speech at stake here. Dan Cathy could, did, and still can say whatever he wants about marriage, and anybody else can (and did, and will) say whatever they want in response. People who don’t like the fact that a portion of the money spent at Chick-Fil-A goes to anti-gay hate groups can refuse to buy anything there, and people who like supporting the same groups can eat fried chicken until their hearts seize up (or, more efficiently, donate directly to those groups). Greg can also refrain from patronizing any business he thinks is too pro-gay, and I promise I will never try to make him spend his money there.

      No city, and certainly no mayor through executive power, can really ban a business from the city just because of the owners’ political affiliations and opinions. That was just grandstanding, and everybody with half a brain knew that.

  21. The CFA kerfluffle was not a free-speech issue. Dan Cathy is welcome to say whatever he wants, but when he announces that his corporation supports “X”, then people, using their free speech, can choose to not spend their money there. Dead simple. Want me to prove it? Replace “CFA supports Focus on the Family with their dollars” with “CFA supports the Muslim Brotherhood with their dollars”. Now tell me what kind of backlash would ensue???

    Do they still have that right? (Probably…I don’t know if that’s even legal in this country, but you get my point.) And you have the right to choose not to shop there.

    I freaking LOVE Chick FilA. It’s my favorite fast food. But I will not see a penny of mine go, knowlingly, to James Dobson. Many companies may do that already, but Dan Cathy made it easy for me. And I will certainly not be slapping the chicken sandwich out of your hand, either, because you can believe what you believe.

    1. Thanks for clarifying above. Because I purposely ignored the whole issue until local government officials started talking about banning restaurants from their town/area. That’s when I got ticked, regardless of my love or not for Dan Cathy or his restaurant chain.

  22. In all honesty I just don’t have time to do the research. I’m sure if I looked up the C.E.O. or owner of every company I shop at, examine there books, see where donations are made, I’d find something I didn’t like. Then I couldn’t buy anything so I would have to start making my own clothes and growing my own food. But wait… Who sold me those seeds to grow my food? What does he support? And the cloth for my clothes. What do they believe?
    Guess I’ll just have to go around naked and starving.

    1. I get that, I do. And most companies are pretty explicit that they represent all their employees, and welcome all wallets…I mean patrons. Most companies realize that their patron base is not monolithic, nor are their employees. I’m quite sure that the heads of those companies have strong feelings about politics and religion and likely dogs vs cats, but with the glaring exception of BigDogWorld (tagline, “your cat sucks”), they keep their private views private. (I made that part up.)

  23. Well… I like Chick-Fil-A; in the past, they have been very kind to church teens entering the workforce.

    I didn’t like this man’s (CT’s) arrogance in assuming that everyone who came to show support for CFA was “taking a stand for Biblical Christianity”; I have unsaved friends who would be highly offended at that comment. They didn’t like to see one group (homosexuals) trying to force their agenda onto others — they supported CFA for that reason; it had NOTHING to do with Biblical beliefs. America is a free country; if the homosexuals don’t like CFA, don’t eat there. If they can convince the majority of Americans to boycott them, fine.

    Good points made above – I don’t know Mr Sexton or “CT”.

  24. Kind of curious how the Chick-Fil-A in your areas actually fared on THE DAY. Our Chick-Fil-A is in the parking lot of the Mardel/Hobby Lobby (duh) and the entire parking lot was packed as well as cars in line down the side of the road. It was a more than a little bit over the top. I wonder how many beverages were refreshed that day? 😉

  25. Wait, why did his momma wake him up at 3am every day? to clean? At 3am? Possibly he is speaking evangelistically here as well.

    1. I support your right to say things like that. 😎 But you do realize that saying the words “I believe in the Biblical definition of marriage” doesn’t make a person homophobic, ignorant, or a hater, right?

      1. Not necessarily, but it makes that person pro-polygamy, pro-concubinage, and pro-levirate marriage. Also pro-prostitution, pro-incest, and arguably pro-slavery.

        I’m not saying you’re wrong if you have only one spouse, no concubines, and no slaves. But calling something “Biblical” just doesn’t prove much. A great many things are in the Bible.

      2. Hey there, Mag. 🙂

        I think this is one of the situations in which neither side is really understanding what the other is saying. As a gay man, I would defend Dan Cathy’s right to state his religious and social views publicly. If he has the support of the board of directors, he can even have his company do everything legal that he wants to do to further his ideals. However, the legal furtherance of his views was that, besides stating his opinion on marriage, Chick-fil-A donated millions to groups such as Exodus International and the Family Research Council. While no one is saying that actions like that should be made illegal or that he should be arrested (they shouldn’t, and he shouldn’t), a large part of the LGBT community feels that their money would better be spent at a place that did not sponsor organizations that specifically attack them.

        I hope that helped. 🙂 All the best.

        1. Not being familiar with either of the two organizations you mentioned, I can’t speak intelligently about specifics. But I agree that there is no room in Christianity for “attacks” against any group of people. If that is indeed what’s happening, I completely agree that there’s a better place for money to go.

        2. Exodus International was a group founded specifically by fundamentalist or near fundy Christians for the purpose of making gay men and women “straight” through intense self-hatred and intensive Bible-ing. The original “pray-away-the-gay” group that many others have been modeled after. Fundies still see it as simply an outreach to a heathen people, and won’t view it as anything less than a saintly group.

          The Family Research Council was a small Christian group that merged with and then subsequently separated from Focus on the Family to protect FotF’s tax exemption. It has promoted several bogus studies maligning homosexuals, including one that stated that homosexuality had been conclusively linked to pedophilia. One of it’s senior research fellows, Peter Sprigg, has publicly said that all homosexual actions should be punishable by law and he would rather export the US’s current homosexuals than see any more immigrate in.

        3. From those descriptions “a better place for money to go” is kinda the understatement of the year. 🙄

        4. We have plenty of Scriptures that tell us clearly about the rampant, wicked homosexuality going on in S&G, to the point that the perverts were about to tear down Lot’s front door to get to the “fresh meat” which were the visiting angels disguised as men, so that is w/out question. Now we come to the Ezekiel passage that is admittedly not as clear, however, twice the passage says they did “detestable” things before the Lord, unspecified things, which could be “things” of a perverted sexual nature, then we have the curious statement “she despised her husband and children” I think of mothers here locally in my area that have abandoned home, husband, and children to live in wicked homosexual lifestyles, after they find their “true” selves, which thing is truly “detestable.”

    2. God has spoken loudly and clearly against the wickedness of homosexuality, destroying entire cities because of this wickedness.

      People that are against homosexuality are not homophobes, (at least most aren’t)and to call them that demonstrates your intolerance and bigotry.

      I enjoyed the video very much, even those southern accents!

      Keep speaking out Mr Cathy the overwhelming majority of Americans are right with you, as demonstrated by the huge turnout at CFA a couple of weeks ago, and the citizens of 32 states, when gay-marriage is put to a vote!

      1. There is, of course, more than one Biblical explanation of why Sodom was destroyed:

        Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.
        –Ezekiel 16:49

        How much attention do most Christians pay to this one? Have another chicken sandwich.

        1. Is that all ya got?

          They were really showing off their pride and food and denying the poor the night before the destruction of their filthy city.

          “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

          I can imagine that these filthy perverts, in adddition to their godless sexual practices, indeed, ALSO, neglected the poor and needy.

        2. You’re missing the point (on purpose?). The Bible says the REASON Sodom was destroyed was that the Sodomites did not help the poor. That wasn’t a footnote to some larger reason.

        3. “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” Ezekiel 16:49-50

          But look above in verses, plenty of depravity to go around. In addition to the above direct quote regarding Sodom, we see in v-45 Sodom also “despised her husband and her children. v-47 Sodom also participated in “detestable practices”

          So this only highlights further the wickedness of this wretched city, depravity all around in more ways than one!

        4. Those “detestable practices” mentioned in the rest of Ezekiel 16 appear to be a falling away from faithfulness to God (explained in terms of unfaithfulness to a husband)and following the religious the practices of other nations. Doesn’t mention homosexuality even once.

  26. I wonder in all of this about the whole “Christians against the gays” mentality. Because there are, of course, absolutely no gay Christians.

    1. I think it means what it says. Which is odd, because most Fundies think my reading of the Bible is insufficiently literalist.

  27. When I saw the title of the video, CHICK FILA, I thought it was for girls sneakers. I figured W PASTOR SEXTON was just a goofy name. There are people named Sargent, Major, and other strange names. Why not name your kid Pastor.

    1. You remind me of Carl Reiner’s story, “Sissy Sue and the Reverend Reverend.” It’s in his collection, “How Paul Robeson Saved My Life, and Other Mostly Happy Stories.” The title story of that volume is a great one, by the way.

  28. 1. does Chick Fil A provide medical insurance for their employees?
    2. How many full timers there receive welfare benefits- food stamps, etc?
    3. does it matter that the CEO and all the way down claim righteousness and yet pay no medical insurance?
    4. who pays when an employee has to go to the ER at a hospital? Do we have to pick up the tab?
    5. what about the thought in the OT that speaks, paraphrased: do not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn….hmnnn, I bet CT can tell us what that means.

    1. Ha ha! Winner winner, chicken dinner (although I think I’ll go with Popeye’s for this chicken dinner)…

  29. The guy doing the interview is absolutely IN LOVE with that other guy..gosh why doesn’t he just get it over with and give him a big sloppy french kiss!

  30. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit…no, it was a lot. I threw up a lot. Maybe it was all the syrupy sweet rhetoric. The flag at the end was a nice touch. Jeez.

  31. It’s interesting how fundies are now saying the mass eat-in at Chick-Fil-A was NOT about endorsing Mr. Cathy’s statements or his donations to anti-GLBT groups, but was strictly about supporting his First Amendment right to say and do potentially offensive things without government censure.

    To me, this is a tacit admission that showing up en masse to endorse Mr. Cathy’s statements and donations would *not* be something for Christians to be proud of.

    Of course, if the eat-in *were* really just to protest arbitrary building permit denial based on opinions some find offensive, then fundies should be *just* as willing to stand up for other people who have been denied permits because of their views too, right? Like, say, people denied building permits and parade permits based on Muslim/atheist/anti-war views? Oh, wait…

    Personally, I don’t think it’s really about the First Amendment, since (in my experience with PCC, and decades of enduring American Family Association agitprop) way too many fundy organizations view the First Amendment as something that can be violated any time they want something censored or want some minority religion stepped on.

  32. In the King James Version Holy Bible, when “groves” was mentioned, it was a place to worship/ an alter to baal, ashtaroth, or some other pagan god. So, is he saying that Chick-Fil-A has been turned into a false religion/ false god?

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