315 thoughts on “Finding The Occult at Walmart”

        1. No visor? No tee shirt? Why do I get up at 5:00 every morning to compete if there is no visor and tee shirt in the prize? (and by the way, I was first about a week ago… not to belabor the point but I am still waiting for my prizes to arrive.) πŸ˜‰

  1. Well, a large part of my work week is spent choosing books for children and teens. While I am heartily sick of the obsession with vampires, simply because they have become a huge bore, I maintain that this father is on a crash course for making his children intrigued with the very books he detests.
    Censorship does only belong at home, not at Wal-Mart, and not at the public library, so he, of course, within his rights in keeping some books away from his children. But he seems as if he would prefer to live in a nation where censorship is done for him, as if he wishes someone would keep those books off the shelves of the retailer. Really? People in that type of country spend a lot of time trying to get OUT.
    Publishers release what the consumer wants, period. Wal-mart did not create the appetite for this genre.
    If he keeps making a huge deal out of this, his children will eventually view these books as tasty, alluring forbidden fruit. Choose your battles, Buster.

    1. Yup. I first took Harry Potter home (I was about 18 but living at home as I went through university) when I saw protests about it on the news. My dad hit the roof. He let me read it because I was an adult, after lecturing the family about witchcraft. He read the book after me to see how evil it was… and ended up reading the whole series. He took my mother to see the movie recently.

      I can understand you’re boredom with vampires, but I hope you don’t dislike zombies. I like zombies πŸ™‚

      1. LOL, zombies are the new vampires. They are flowing in to libraries and bookstores as the vampire obsession cools a bit.
        FWIW, I believe that the human psyche loves fantastic adventure, hence the obsession with these genres. This is why it is crucial to get the Word into versions that are more readily understood than the Authorized Version. No one denies the beauty of that language; it is the language of Shakespeare, and I do love it. But when the young person considers the “magic” of a bush, burning yet not consumed, of angelic beings rising in the flames of an altar sacrifice, of gazillions of tons of water rushing apart to leave not mire but dry earth for a path– then that reader realizes here is the True Magic. It is vital to give people the Word in accessible language. To me, KJV worhippers are as evil as those who tried to prevent the common man having his own copy of Scripture, centuries ago. They are keeping the glorious Truth and miracles of the Word from the starving souls who need it desperately.
        I shall now try to put away my soap box, but don’t count on it. Tender spot here! πŸ˜‰

        1. HEY! If it weren’t for zombies my sons would have one less thing to bond over. They are preparing for the zombie invasion and plan to save us from the undead hoardes. You keep talking smack about them and you will be on the front lines, missy.

          As to the rest of your post, I agree.

        2. Everybody thinks all this stuff is new. It’s ok if they want to think that way but it’s not. It’s been around for a long time. On my favorite show Dark Shadows which I talked about the other day, while it was mostly about vampires, there was one brief time there was a zombie, Quentin Collins had been stabbed by his wife for his infidelity and killed. Barnabas asked the witch Angelique to make him rise. (yeah and there have been a lot of jokes concerning those exact words lol!) She made him rise alright, as a zombie. In this state he lumbered around and carried off the young governess and tried to put her in his grave. She was rescued though and soon he was brought back to life… only to later on kill his wife and be cursed as a werewolf.

          Now do the new books have anything better than this? I haven’t read them but… I’m considering reading the Harry Potter books which are all in the library just to see if they’re as bad as we’ve been told. Just out of curiosity you know… πŸ˜‰

        3. I think that Harry Potter is very well written. The author has an amazing ability to write descriptive passages with humor, so that it’s a very vividly detailed world but you never get bored reading the details. She also very carefully planned the whole series (and story world) before writing the first book. So in book one, a name is casually mentioned, and then that name becomes a major character later in another book. It got so that before the last book was written, the fans all thought that they could work out exactly what would happen from clues she’d left for us in the earlier books. The first four books are quite light, but the last three are VERY dark.

          Twilight isn’t very well written at all. I read it, but I must admit I skim-read through large portions of it. The main pull for me was all the way through it was hinted that Bella was something special, and if she ever became a vampire she would have amazing powers. In the end, it fizzled out majorly. And yes, I’m aware the pull is supposed to be the romance, but I don’t read romances, so I pretty much ignored that πŸ˜›

          And I don’t really think that anyone thinks these things are new – I had to read the original Dracula for English Literature πŸ˜‰ The thing is that authors are now taking these old ideas that have already had cult followings, and reinventing them for a modern generation – trying to make them fit into our modern world. Some do well, some are gimmicky. It’s an interesting concept though.

        4. No, no one thinks they are new, and I was not dissing zombies, Simsy-Poo, I was merely stating that they are the current fad.

        5. My objection to the “Twilight” books is not that they are about vampires, or romance, but that they are badly written. A few pages were enough to show me that, so I didn’t waste time on the rest of “Twilight.”

        6. 1–Twilight models an extremely unhealthy relationship to young teens. That’s my first objection.

          2–Also, it is so badly written it is comical. Someone caught onto that and has created comedy gold here:

          http://reasoningwithvampires.tumblr.com/

          Basically, she is taking apart the bad writing page by page. It is hilarious!

        7. you should check out this article on cracked about how zombies and vampires subconsciously relate to political parties in america.

          [some more adult language contained in said article …]

    2. Seen Enough, I could not agree with you more. Well said, especially with Banned Books Week just a few weeks behind us! Also… since when do fundies support nasty businesses like that by buying even the KJV Bible there? Hmmmm… fundies must be slipping in their boycotting diligence!

    1. Actually, as far as I can tell, everyone that reads and or comments on this sight does so of their own free will and really enjoys it. No one “has to wade through” people who don’t enjoy it are free to stay away. Just sayin… πŸ™„

        1. Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up, Sims. πŸ™‚ Now I must needs go do something constructive!!! πŸ˜•

      1. Me too!!! I thought, wow, if I ever did that at my Fundy School, I’d be slapped with demerits for being disrespectful to the Bible! Plus also, most people know that you don’t bend the covers back on books so hard. (Especially if you don’t OWN them)

  2. More bits of wisdom and humility, “If you don’t like the truth or you don’t like honest King James Bible hardcore preaching, now is the time to leave.
    And try to not let the door hit you on your way out. Thanks.”

    Uh…should you use the word “hardcore” when speaking of preaching? Hmmmm

    1. Beat me to it. I was going to say Stuff Fundies Like: Judging a Book by Its Cover

      I also enjoyed his spelling of “testament” at the end of the video. Reading some of those useless novels might at least help him communicate without looking like an ignorant smartass.

  3. Also, notice how a couple of times he ignores his daughters while he is trying to find the boogeyman in the bookshelves. If SFL is still running in 20 years, I’m sure his daughters will be regular readers. We can only hope.

    1. Great point! Nothing more fun than Daddy taking you to Wal Mart and making you sit in a cart while he video tapes the book section and won’t buy you a toy.

      1. Because we all know that kids should get a toy every time they go to Wal-Mart. πŸ™„ That is what creates a spoiled child, getting everything they want, when they want it. They need to hear no more than yes, then they will appreciate the times they hear yes even more.

        1. How about not even bringing the kids to Wal-Mart when you are hot on the trail of satan himself.

          Actually if he so sure that the occult is so prevalent at Wal-Mart, WHY is he bringing his own children into the den of iniquity?

        2. OH, thank you John for pointing that out to me. Now that I have been educated I guess I will change my evil ways and go beat my spoiled kids and grandkids. Yes, that sounds like a fine idea.

        3. And as long as you brought it up, John Smith, and since we seem to be in education mode, let me just offer you some valuable information. If you set up your relationship with your kids as a battle ground with consistant opposition and resistance for no better reason than that you want them to understand “No” or not hear “Yes” too often, you are not painting an accurate picture of Christ to them. If you are a picture of Jesus in the lives of your kids, then you OUGHT to say YES and make them happy, and feed them in their love-language as often as you possibly can. I am not advocating giving in to tantrums or buying them stuff just because they ask for it or expect it. But you don’t have to deny them just so they learn how to deal with disappointment. Life offers plenty of disappointments for them to learn how to cope without you dishing it out to them as a learning experience. So you are welcome for that advice, it comes after an entire lifetime of mothering and has been learned from making some mistakes and then getting it right. And maybe you should try not to be so disrespectful in the future as well.

        4. Sims, my very dear friend, you are on a roll. I *LOVE* this post. YOU ROCK. I am so glad your kids have you for their mom! πŸ˜€

        5. Why Sims you have convinced me. I will give my 11 year old son any thing he wants so he will be my friend. Because God has never told anyone of us or any person in the Bible no. Let’s ask David how that went when he asked for his son to live or how about Paul’s thorn in the side. Telling a kid no is not gonna kill them, it just may be what they need to hear. In Christ’s name.

        6. Why Sims you have convinced me. I will give my 11 year old son any thing he wants so he will be my friend. Because God has never told anyone of us or any person in the Bible no. Let’s ask David how that went when he asked for his son to live or how about Paul’s thorn in the side. Telling a kid no is not gonna kill them, it just may be what they need to hear. In Christ’s name.

        7. Let me say one more thing, when it comes to buying stuff, I will be the one to decide what is bought, not my child. Just like when he wanted a guitar, I did not but it because the only reason he desired it was from watching some show on tv about a teeny bopper band that were nothing but bad influences on young minds. After he calmed down, I bought him a nice .22 lever action rifle, much more approriate for a young boy and a lot more useful in the years to come.

        8. I actually think that was wise of you to evaluate WHY your child wanted the guitar. If he wasn’t motivated by a strong desire to make music but only to emulate someone “cool” on a video game, the guitar would have been a wasteful purchase.

          But I am amused when you say knowing how to shoot a gun is “a lot more useful in the years to come.” I guess it all depends on your culture and the area of the country in which you grew up. We’re not hunters in our family but we love to sing, so we would find playing a guitar a lot more useful. (Unless of course our economy collapses and we are required to use a gun to defend ourselves against marauding mobs – then I’d definitely wish I’d gone to the gun range insteda of taken piano lessons!)

          All of which is actually off-topic to the original point! I’m good at rabbit-trails! πŸ™‚

        9. Oh, well then, I take it all back. You must be the worlds greatest dad. Best of luck to you. I am sure that rifle is just exactly what your 11 year old son will be needing in the future. You are absolutely right.

        10. So let’s turn each trip to the store into a power trip showing how I’m the master of my little kingdom? Why? God is not like that with us. He is love and mercy as well as holiness and justice.

          Why do they NEED to hear “no” more than “yes”? Thank God that He is not that stingy with us. His giving is more like “good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over”

        11. And since you intentionally ignored the entire point of what I originally said and immediately jumped to the extreme of “I will buy my kids everything they want so they will be my friend” I have to assume that you are just a jerk all the way around, and to your kids too. So don’t worry about your kids ever wanting to be your friend. They won’t.

    2. Thank you! That was the most obvious of issues in the video. “Hey kids, I will be ignoring you for the next 4 1/2 minutes, but don’t go anywhere.” πŸ™

  4. Fundies will never understand that it’s not what you read that hurts you, it’s what you *don’t* read. It just makes me cringe to hear anyone “joke” about burning books.

    I feel sorry for his daughters, too. I hope that they have a cool teacher or relative who smuggles Tolkien and Harry Potter books to them when they get a bit older (no Twilight, though! Those books are like Janette Oke with vampires)!

    1. Say what you will, but when my wife taught 8th grade, she noticed that a lot of kids became readers when the Twilight series came out. Most of those kids developed in their love for reading once they finished the series and moved on to others. The same thing happened with Harry Potter several years before that. I am not actually comparing the quality of Twilight and Harry Potter, however, each series created a love of reading in their audience.

      1. Absolutely! I *LOVE* to see kids voraciously gobbling up books! That does not change the fact that the TWILIGHT books are not great literature. Shrug. Neither are lots of books that *I* read! πŸ˜‰

      2. As a teacher myself, I absolutely appreciate anything that gets kids to read. But I try to steer them towards something more substantial when I can!

        Personally, it’s not even the fact that the Twilight series is poorly-written that most bothers me; it’s the heroine. She’s so needy and helpless, like a goth Elsie Dinsmore. πŸ™„

        1. Thanks, Seen Enough! I have to be honest, I’ve been sitting on that joke for awhile. I just haven’t been around people who know about boring ol’ Elsie (lucky them)! πŸ˜›

        2. Bella has a very blah personality: the thing I remember most about her, besides how she pines for Edward and depends on Jacob, is that she falls down a lot. That does not a round character make.

          The first book was somewhat interesting, but by the second book which she spent moping in abject despair because Edward left was so ANNOYING!!! And then the next two books were all about her complete longing to become a vampire and then book 4 — Renesmee. Disgusting! Horrifying! I was repulsed. (But then I’ve always been on the Van Helsing/Buffy side of things when it comes to vampires, sparkly or not.)

          Anyway, Bella’s unhealthy absorption in a boy’s love and her utter lack of personality along with the focus on how her guy could kill her at any moment if he let himself make this a book creepy and rather pathetic to me.

        3. Buffy was romantically involved with no less than 2 different vampires. So she may not be the best example there…

        4. Yeah, as the series continued, it went in some really creepy directions that I didn’t like. I guess I was referring more just to her status as vampire slayer (and at one point didn’t she kill Angelus?)

          I really didn’t watch the show that much! 😳

        5. pastor’s wife, By describing Bella, you just described all the girls I knew who were “called” to be pastor’s wives (no offense to you! I hope your marriage is based on love!) Really, take out the occult and the vampires, and Bella would be a damsel in distress…fundy gold! But then there’s that bit where Jacob the werewolf is in love with Bella’s newborn…just creepy!

        6. No offense taken! That is a very intriguing comparison.

          I do know that one thing that intrigued my husband when we first me was that I kind of ignored him! heehee

        7. I could never understand the “Buffy” series, because I came to it late, and the plot was so fantastically complicated and involved such a huge number of characters, and depended so much in things that had happened in other episodes I hadn’t seen. I know very intelligent and well-read people who watched the whole thing and thought it was great, though.

        8. Oh my gosh, I try to forget about Elsie Dinsmore as much as I can, but that is SUCH an awesome comparison. You are so right.

          If I had daughters, I’d prefer them to read the Twilight books (even though I hate them) rather than Elsie Dinsmore because at least the Twilight books aren’t trying to portray what godly womanhood should look like.

        9. I sat here giggling at “a goth Elsie Dinsmore,” and my cat looked at me strangely. Your description is spot on, and a major reason I can’t stand the Twilight books.

        10. I agree. I felt like I had to push myself to get through the second book. I found myself rolling my eyes at Bella because she was so whiney and helpless and just plain annoying. She was utterly pathetic in the second book.

  5. Ha. He looks next to the UPC and asks, “What’s that triangle there? What’s that for?” No doubt alluring to some fundies’ obsession with certain symbols representing the number of the beast and the end times.
    It means recyclable, buddy.

        1. The triagle IS a symbol for the trinity. I was getting a good chuckle that he thought it was eeevil. Like “what’s that cross object there…looks kind of weird!” πŸ™„

  6. If he is making this video in October, the books about witches and vampires seem to increase during that month for some strange reason. Someone needs to tell him to just wait a couple months and then he can do a video about how much Wal-Mart hates Christmas.

    1. Do you really think there’s any chance he WON’T make a video about how much Walmart hates Christmas?

      No doubt he’ll find something that says “Happy Holidays” or “Season’s Greetings” and start crying, “Help, help, I’m being oppressed!”

      1. I’ve definitely watched too much Monty Python…now I have the urge to yell, “Help, help, I’m being repressed” every time I see something “Holiday”-not-“Christmas” πŸ˜€

  7. If he doesn’t like the selection at Walmart, he should go to an actual BOOK store to see what they have … Maybe he could pick up a classic. Oh wait, The Scarlet Letter has something about adultery in it. That’s not ok. And what about all the witchcraft in the Chronicles of Narnia? Can’t read that, either.

    He’d be better off not teaching those kids to read anything. I mean, let’s face it, even the Bible has witchcraft and naughty words in it.

    1. I am sure his daughter was very excited that he SEEMED like he might buy her her very own KJV “For church” Did you see how she was completely uninterested in it? She was probably over in the Elmo section brainwashing herself when he called her over.

    2. At the start of the school year my child’s fundy school english teacher told me they could only pick books for their assignments from a pre-approved list or if not then it had to be approved by her first because she thought books were so “dark” etc and she wanted to avoid that. First of all yes, there are a lot of dark books in the world, sometimes I read them! But, they are not all that way, the real thing they don’t want is fundy kids reading books about kids that are allowed to make choices and mistakes and use their brain. I replied that she must not want the kids reading any of the old testament or the book of revelation either! I go no response. The old testament is full of every kind of sin you can imagine! There is nothing new under the sun. Btw, I must confess I used to be just like that guy, I’m embarrassed to admit it but as part of my healing, I must. And, also, I can’t wait untill I don’t have to be embarrassed for my fundy friends to see what dvds or books I am checking out from the library! This will come in time as I am just escaped…

        1. Well Big Gary, they look nicer long since I am a woman so I will just have to get used to typing with them long, but thank you! πŸ˜‰

      1. Yes, the Bible is full of accounts of wickedness and sin, not to mention rage and despair–“I wish somebody would murder YOUR babies in front of YOU for a change you murdering invading pack of bastards” comes to mind.

        1. ??? Where did that quote about killing babies or children or whatever come from?

        2. Psalm 137.

          I have very strong, and very conflicted feelings about that Psalm. The first six or so verses are surpassingly beautiful:
          “By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
          when we remembered Zion. …”

          But at the end, it turns into one of the most unabashedly bloodthirsty outbursts in all of literature:
          ” Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
          and dashes them against the rock!”

          Leaves me sort of speechless (and not in a good way).

        3. Is it brutal and horrible? Yes. Is it real? Absolutely. There is an unspeakable rage, emptiness, and agony that accompanies losing a child, and if you have lost one (or, in that case, many) through violence, it must be magnified exponentially.

          In that very moment, I’ve no doubt revenge is uppermost in your mind. I can empathize. It’s not a pretty verse or a pretty thought, but I understand.

        4. I checked John MacArthur’s commentary for Psalm 137:9. This is a prophecy of the coming destruction of Babylon by Persia. God used the Persians to punish Babylon just as He used the Babylonians to punish Israel. In the same way God used the Israelites to punish Canaan, brimstone to punish Sodom and Gomorrah, and a flood to punish the entire world before that. It is helpful to have a good conservative Evangelical commentary on hand for Biblical study when you have a question about a particular verse or passage. The best commentaries are by John Calvin, Martin Luther, Matthew Henry, Matthew Poole, and John Gill.

        5. I’ve read all the standard commentaries on these verses, and some others as well.
          My visceral reaction to both parts of the Psalm (the elegaic part and the spiteful, bloodthirsty part) remains the same.

        6. @ Ted,
          Sorry but I had to Lola at your explanation of “prophecy.” It’s always prophecy or metaphor when it’s a book or passage thAt at face value seems to contradict a wise and loving God. ong Of Solomon ones to mind. No, I’m sorry but you are reading a passage written by a human who was being fully human, ugly bits and all. Evangelicals would do well studying at a Rabinical school so that they can understand that the Bible is not an ancient book of Simon Says.

        7. God judges entire nations and pours out His Divine Wrath upon whom He chooses. We don’t decide what we want God to be like. Christians worship the God of the Bible.

          We are aware of what Jews believe about the Old Testament. Read John Gill’s commentaries for example. He was aware of the medieval rabbinic interpretations.

          The New Testament says that Jews who reject Christ are blinded to their own Scripture. God will continue to save those Jews and Gentiles whom He decides to bring to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. I hope He will do the same for you.

        8. Ted,
          I have enough faith to believe that God docent condone bashing baby heads against rocks. let’s be honest, you wouldn’t apply it as justified under any circumstances in the here and now. Are YOU more merciful than God? Don’t think too hard about this one, it can lead to all kinds of cognitive dissonance.

      2. The principal of Christian school I taught at was going to allow me to teach “Lord of the Flies” for British Literature class! I was so excited about this because even though some Christians may be uncomfortable with the subject matter, it’s a powerful story with a biblical theme about evil. I really appreciated his willingness to think “outside the box” because many times Christian school have very rigid restrictions on books.

        1. I am NOT fb friends with that pissing preacher. His fb page is open for all to see, however. I go on it to remind myself of the kinds of wolves in sheep’s clothing we need to look out for.

  8. Notice how he picked up the first book (which I guess was about female vampires?) and dropped it, then as he picked it back up he seemed to rub the front cover on the floor before actually picking it back up. That’s defacing property that doesn’t belong to you. And he even seemed to be mistreating his beloved KJV Bible, why? Because it was the only one there? Picking it up, removing it from the cardboard doohickey and flicking through the pages, what was he looking for? Then putting it away, doesn’t he know others have to come along and look over that stuff after he’s defaced it?

    If those kids were older I think by this little foray, he’d have only awakened their curiosity. Later on they’d be sneaking back with their friends when daddy wasn’t watching and reading a bit of it, or if they had money of their own, buying it and hiding it from daddy under the mattress… 😈

    1. I noticed that too. At first I thought he threw it on the floor, but he was definately handling them in a way that showed disrespect. Even to the Bible. I was thinking, “This is why I always pull my books from the BACK of the shelf when I buy them new. I want to be the first one to ruffle through the pages like that.”

      1. The rough treatment may have been because he was handling the books using only his left hand while holding the camera (shakily) in his right hand.

        Poor guy doesn’t even have one friend who will handle the camera for him.

    2. I don’t think he was so concerned about looking for “Made in China” printed on the cover page. Being that his You Tube account name implies goofy jingoism.

      Discovered that once, at the dollar store.

    3. It looked to me like he deliberately dropped it and then proceeded to mistreat it. I feel sorry for anyone he comes in contact with, and I especially feel sorry for his own family. It’s such a social injustice that people with this kind of attitude exist. And to think that their major influence is misguided religious teaching…….sad.

      1. Fear not, Landover Baptist is an admitted parody of fundamentalist Christianity dedicated to showing just how ridiculous fundies would be if they truly took the Bible as literally as they claim to.

        1. Yes, Landover Baptist is a parody site, but the stuff they quote in those quizzes really is in the Bible.

    1. Rape, incest, ethnic cleansing, premature ejaculation, penises the size of horses. If the bible wasn’t the word of god, one might have to go to an adult book store to find a copy.

        1. The KJV obscures some potentially more graphic imagery: β€œYet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses” (Ezekiel 23:19-20).

    2. Wow, that website is definitely a parody! I don’t have time now to peruse the whole thing. But I did take all three quizes and got all but three answers right since I have recently been reading through the old testament. That’s exactly what I was talking about in my above post, the old testament is wild!

    3. I only got 25 out of 30 right on the three sex quizzes, but I got 9 out of 10 on the Bible Poop quiz. I’d rather not think about what that says about me.

      1. πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† I’m going to have to take the poop quiz with my 11 year old, he thinks that kind of stuff is funny, he got it from his mother! 😯

    4. I’m going to be direct: I despise the attitude displayed on that site toward God and toward the Bible. It disrespectfully and deliberately distorts and misrepresents Scripture to make God look mean or foolish.

      Question one said, “What should you do?” That’s ridiculous. I knew the question was referring to Judah and Tamar, but nowhere in the Bible is it said that what Judah did was RIGHT.

      Ez. 16:17 doesn’t have to refer to the actual sex act. The prophets of God often referred to idol worship as adultery. But even if that’s what it’s talking about, so what? It’s descriptive. If that’s what they were doing as part of their worship of idols, God would be right to be angry that His people were violating two commandments at once.

      And God doesn’t order “sinners” to marry “whores”. God told Hosea specifically to do so as a deliberate choice to illustrate in a powerful and real way the constant love of God for His rebellious and wayward people. For a modern take on Hosea’s story, read “Redeeming Love” by Francine Rivers.

      And question 7 about polygamy is ridiculous. God is pretty clear that one man is to marry one woman. The verse quoted in the answer that says “If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish” (Exodus 21:10) shows God’s care for women in a society where men DID sometimes marry more than one wife. That verse actually shows that God was trying to protect women in that situation.

      And #10? OK, I’d never imagined THAT’S what “thigh” meant but apparently it does because of circumcision. They were swearing by the sign of their circumcision which signified their most holy covenant with God. So I learned something today!

      Anyway, the Bible records HISTORY; it doesn’t approve of everything that happened. Also this was an ancient culture; it’s hard to relate our present world to some of the customs of one three thousand years ago. However, I choose to read the Bible with a mind that approaches it reverently and with trust in a sovereign and loving God, not with scorn or sarcasm.

      1. You are absolutely correct, Mrs. Pastor. Just because the Bible tells us something happened doesn’t mean God approved of them. I also disagreed with the description of God supposedly telling people to eat human feces and relenting and changing it to cow feces. I strongly suspect He was telling them to cook with it — a not uncommon procedure even today. But then again, I’m no Biblical scholar and never claimed to be.

      2. I did notice the mis application of scriptural meanings but since it is a parody site I ignored it. It really bothers me when it is not a parody and being preached wrong during a sermon. Your clarifications are right on. That is where fundies waffle back and forth between telling us we have to do things the old testament way sometimes but not always and they get to choose when. Sorry to say but I get a bit ticked at the way women were treated in the old testament. My heavenly father can handle the fact that I don’t understand all the whys and He loves me anyway πŸ™‚ .

        1. I am so thankful I’m an American woman in 2011 and not living in almost any other culture and time. I don’t always understand, but you’re right: God loves and accepts us even with our struggles and questions!

      3. Yes, PW, there is a tone, from that site that can be pretty offensive.

        It is a matter of gradations. I know Fundys who are just as offended with the SFL site.

        On the other hand, my father in law, an Episcopalian minister, absolutely loved the bumper sticker I got for him that said:
        “Jesus is coming: Look busy!”

  9. What really surprised me was that after all the hate for the selection of books at Walmart, he still bought the KJV Bible for his daughter, and still (presumably) continued shopping there.

    1. Watch it again. You’ll see that he refuses to buy the KJV Bible for his daughter, on the grounds that she can’t read.

      But he does apparently shop at Walmart, even though he thinks the store is evil.

      1. I got the idea he was going to buy it for the one daughter “who was close to reading” but not for “Macy” who was “nowhere near close to reading” even though the older daughter was pleading for Macy to get one too. I would be really surprised though if he actually did buy the Bible. It seemed like a good price to me ($9.99) and I’m tempted to go see if my WalMart has one like it.

  10. I have to agree with some of the guys premise. I was in Barnes and Noble the other day and I was just totally surprised at the entire section of Vampire/Occult related literature. It was actually very strange because you look at the display and almost all the books were black. It really stood out (which I suppose is what the marketers wanted) But there are certainly a prolific amount of vampire/death/occult related books out there for many young adults to read. While I’m not one to censor a book (my kids did just learn about the Scarlet Letter) I would be very hesitant about letting my kids read many of these books. It just sort of creeps me out.

    What I thought was funny is how he said the Twilight series was “gay”

    1. I’ve noticed this too. I read a lot of YA literature and while perusing the stacks in the local library, I’ve been realizing what a lot there are about vampires, witchcraft, the occult, etc. There are even more in the bookstores.

      My oldest daughter has read the entire Harry Potter series and loved them, but I truly feel that a steady diet of these kinds of books (especially the shallow, badly written ones that are more titillating than anything else). In the same way that I want my child to have a balanced diet, I want her to be balanced in what she reads as well. So recently after she read “The Hunger Games”, I encouraged her to read a contemporary fiction book about a plane crash and a historic fiction novel, and I’ve told her that “Twilight” is off-limits. I ask her to trust me since I’ve allowed her to read Harry Potter and others; I truly do not think Twilight is edifying, but I also don’t want to make it appealing as forbidden fruit either.

      1. “Edifying”

        Big red flag for me.

        totally subjective. Our pastors have used the “E” word to object to just about anything they do not like.

        Ice Cream is not edifying. Neither is playing soccer or Trivial pursuit. Watching TV, writing poetry, doing crossword puzzles, you name it.

        1. “Edifying” IS subjective. God has given us His Spirit and the Bible to guide us, and has given us parents the responsibility to guide our young children. We also have Christian liberty, so what i find edifying may not fit another Christian’s criteria and that’s OK. I like Harry Potter and Star Wars; another Christian doesn’t — that’s OK. I don’t like yoga; another Christian does — that’s OK. It’s OK not to like things; it’s even OK to tell other people you don’t like them and give your reasons for that, as long as you understand that other Christians may come to different conclusions than you have.

          By “edifying”, I mean things that help encourage us to be Christlike instead of controlled by the flesh. Scripture is clear that we can eat or drink or do anything TO THE GLORY OF GOD. So looking at your examples:
          1. Ice cream becomes not edifying if one is tempted to gluttony instead of self-control.
          2. Playing soccer is not edifying if you become angry, hating other teams or despising poorer players on your own teams.
          3. Trivial pursuit can become non-edifying if you become proud of your own knowledge and scornful of others or if you get frustrated and angry when you lose.
          4. Watching TV can be non-edifying if it keeps you from finishing your household chores or isolates you from loving interaction with others in your family or
          5. Writing poetry can be non-edifying if you become morbidly introspective and dissatisfied with yourself instead of being grateful.
          6. Doing crossword puzzles can be non-edifying if you yell at other family members who misplace the paper or if you find yourself cursing the crossword creator because you think wrote lousy clues.

          Paul wrote, “All things are lawful, but not all things edify.” Thus it is up to me to judge FOR MYSELF if certain activities draw ME away from Christ into sin. The sin is more in ME than in the outward thing (although there are some things that are expressly forbidden in Scripture such as stealing or lying). It is not up to me to judge YOU, but it is up to me to decide if any particular activity will make me more loving, gentle, humble, and holy or more prideful, angry, selfish, or lazy.

      2. Try Terry Pratchett. His 40 or so books should keep her entertained.

        They all stand alone, more or less, rather than being a “series”.

        Maybe start with “The Wee Free Men”, which has a young girl as the protagonist.

      1. The scene in the movie where the werewolves all take their shirts off was really gay. I said to my wife and brother in law in the theater: “Tell me they are not gay.”

  11. DISCLAIMER: I didn’t actually watch the video – it’s too early for stupid. But given the first books I see for the video are Spanish translations of “The Purpose-Driven Life” and “Every Day a Friday”…how is this the kid’s section?

      1. I’m glad *someone* watches every last second of David Grice, Jack Schaap, and Steve Anderson videos. Because I’d hate to misjudge. After all, who knows? Maybe Darrell’s description is completely off-base and the video is actually an insightful and encouraging paragon of cinema, with well-reasoned logical arguments and a spirit of graciousness towards those with other opinions.

        But probably not.

      1. All snark aside, while most of us are harping on a guy for judging books by their covers, one poster here judged a video by its screenshot. Yeah, the video was ridiculous, but for the same reason that the comment was ridiculous. They both did the same thing.

    1. I don’t know of a law against it, but I’m pretty sure it’s against Walmart’s rules. The management would probably throw him out if they saw him doing it.

      Many stores are worried about industrial espionage of one sort or another, or that people will take pictures that will eventually be used in litigation. I don’t know that it really makes sense not to allow photography of what you have deliberately put on public display, but that is nevertheless the policy of many businesses.

        1. Can you cite the law?
          I’m not trying to argue; I’m just curious.
          I do have a bit of background in law.

  12. I really do feel sorry for those kids. It’s axiomatic that they have a huge obstacle between them and a happy and fulfilling life when they get older. Their Dad.

    That video was inane on so many levels. He only shows the books that are made for his kids for about two seconds. I think I saw a flash of Big Bird. After his brilliant summary of those…”the stupid, cheesy stuff”, he gets right to where he wanted to be in the first place, the teenage section. This is obviously made for his buddies at church to show them how hard he’s out there reppin’ the KJV. He’s putting in work in enemy territory.

    He ain’t wasting his time helping old women get their purchases to the car, or trying to spot someone who looks like they’re really struggling and buying their groceries….like Jesus would do. He’s straight throwing down for Jesus in the kids reading section. He’s the tip of the spear.

    1. JLL- All people are called to turn from whatever sinful lifestyle they are living and to accept the Lord Jesus Christ, and so should you.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-11

  13. The biggest complaint I have with this post is not that he is wrong, but that he is scornful and mocking of the books, the authors and WalMart. The writers of these books are not Christians. It does no good to point out their failings. Unbelievers do not love God and do not honor Him: that should be no surprise. But we are all sinners and they are no worse than we were. A little humility is in order and that is what is lacking in Fundies. You do not know the truth because of your own brilliance; it is from the holy Spirit.

    1. “..The writers of these books are not Christians…”

      And you know this how?

      “… It does no good to point out their failings…”

      He is not pointing out their “failings”. He is just pointing out things that he doesn’t like.

        1. “By this shall all men know you are my disciples, if you don’t write Vampire literature.”

          I suppose Christians don’t write books with witches, wizards, goblins, or demons in them either, right? Oh, wait . . .

        2. I’d like to say Christians also don’t write hate-filled rants about others, but we all know that’s not necessarily true. πŸ˜₯

        3. I’m a Christian and I’m writing a FANTASY novel that has vampires in it. It also has werewolves, dragons, and wizards in it. My kids want it to be a NY Times bestseller (if I can ever get it finished and published). You’ll never find it on the shelves at Crossway or Zondervan, though, because though I’m a Christian, I’m not always going to write a Christian book.

        4. @KimG

          I thought it was, β€œBy this shall all men know you are my disciples, that you love guns.”

        5. @Henry, I think you were actually looking for this verse:

          “By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
          if ye have love one to another.”
          John 13:35 OH, wait, that doesn’t say anything about Vampires!! Oops! πŸ™„

        6. Henry,

          The Scriptures do not support your opinion. Writers of good fiction were not warned about using fictional characters such as vampires.

          It is merely fantasy literature.

          Oh, and if you have not yet read Harry Potter, I recommend it. It is very well written.

  14. If you look at his pictures on his website he believes that the trail that planes leave in the sky are called “ChemTrails”. I hate to break it to him it is water vapor called a contrail. The government isn’t trying to kill us. He is just some crazy nut in Arizona.

    1. I was wondering why he was taking pictures of contrails. But then I got caught up in wondering why he was taking pictures of gay pride participants when he seemingly hated them … I mean, why take so many pictures of men in drag and dominatrix gear (or whatever the guy-version would be called) if you found it repugnant? Things that make you say, “Hmmmm.”

  15. As Miranda said,
    “Fundies will never understand that it’s not what you read that hurts you, it’s what you *don’t* read.”

    I just want to say amen and amen and amen to that.
    Nothing that you read can harm you, if you read it with your intelligence and your critical mind awake. Some reading is much more beneficial than other reading, but the mere fact of having read something cannot make you crazy or stupid or perverted, as long as you also read good literature.

    As a literature student, a teacher, and a curious person, I’ve read a great many books, magazines, and other writings. Some of them were great literature, some were so-so, and some were pretty much worthless. Some were written by saints and geniuses, some by hacks, and some by insane people, criminals, perverts, and wicked schemers. But none of the bad or perverse ideas killed off the good ideas and knowledge. So I strongly believe that it’s a waste of effort to worry about what bad things children or teenagers may read, and very much more so to worry about what bad things adults may read, but important always to encourage everyone to read as much of the good stuff as possible.

    1. So true. I agree completely. Fortunately I learned this when my second (of seven children) was in junior high. Although it was sometimes very hard for me, I am so thankful that I had the good sense to let my children read from the whole body of available popular literature for their age group. I prayed for the Holy Spirit to teach his children, and he did. They are smart, intelligent, well-read, discerning, successful young adults now. As for me….I was on the verge of being a very strange homeschooling mom who for a while believed that the only worthwhile reading material was the Bible and certain non-fiction selections. Glad the Holy Spirit taught ME discernment and open mindedness before I ruined his children!

  16. A few weeks ago, the side bar was advertising Philipino brides? For some reason, I now have an ad for Internation Muslim Matrimonials. 😯 There are some very lovely women with beautifully made up faces smiling at me although the entire rest of their head is swathed in black cloth.

    1. I wish I got interesting ads about Muslim Matrimonials!

      Mine are the same-ol’ same-ol’ about getting degrees online.

  17. Darrell, is it your contention that these books do *not* contain occult fiction? Even Harry Potter is occult fiction, is it not? How far will you go to simply define yourself against whatever “fundamentalists” believe, say, or do? As A.W. Tozer once said, you may well find yourself on the road to Endor some day soon (like King Saul.)

    On another post you mocked Christian schools, and you mocked opposition to public school. Do you think it is okay to teach kids that homosexuality is okay and natural? Is it okay to teach kids feminism, and that abortion is okay? I don’t know about you, but I actually went to public school, Darrell!

    The beliefs of most conservative Protestant churches are mocked on this site which is ostensibly only intended to mock IFBs. Careful that you do not lead people to depart from the Christian faith like Andrew Himes and M.E. Anders have done.

    1. Even though this is addressed to Darrell, I’ll take my turn with Hank.

      “…but I actually went to public school.”

      So did I. For 12 years through high school and secular college. And I never once was taught that homosexuality was okay and that abortion was okay.

      The post is not about the books or the content of the books and whether it is occult or not. But the post mocks the person who is afraid of his own shadow and finds conspiracy everywhere. Check out his website and then report back to us. Mmmmkay?

      1. I see your point about the post. And I certainly don’t mean to defend the IFBx/KJV-Only extremist.

        I too am in a public college now. Adult Christians can be prepared to face opposition in College, but not young children in elementary and middle school. Home schooling is best of all, in my opinion.

        1. So, Henry, do you wish that you had been homeschooled instead? Do you feel that your public schooling helped you learn how to face opposition, or would sheltering in a homeschool envoironment be better at preparing children to face opposition once becomeing adults?

    2. Teach us oh spiritually wise one since we are being led astray by our “benevolent dictator” and must think the homosexual agenda is okay for our kids in the devil’s public school (they only turn out liberals and atheists anyway right?).

      I guess we should be careful about you then right Henry? Since the errors/false doctrines/traditions of men that are “called out” on this site can sometimes extend to other cults as well, you’re attempting to warn us from bringing folks out of that mess right?

      You don’t pay much attention around here do you? πŸ™„

        1. …nor have you addressed anything in my post. Good way to step around that one. πŸ™„

    3. Even Harry Potter is occult fiction, is it not?

      No. It is not “occult fiction”. It is fantasy. Just like The Lord of the Rings. Just like Narnia. Both of which have magical elements – used by the heroes in the stories. And just like in the other two aforementioned series, evil is both villified and defeated.

      And FTR, I also went to public school from K-5 through my Bachelor’s degree, and never once was I taught that homosexuality or abortion are okay. If you feel that homeschooling is the best way to educate children, you’re entitled to your opinion. I disagree that young children can’t be prepared to face opposition. That’s what parents are for. As the marquee outside my sons’ public high school says, “Every home is a school. What are you teaching?”

    4. I’m a proud feminist. Once upon a time, in the USA, women did not have a right to vote. They did not have a right to obtain credit in their names. They were not safe in their own homes (domestic violence was perfectly legal). Contrary to popular belief, abortion in the US was considered a private affair between a woman and her midwife and entirely legal UNTIL the mid 1800s, right around the time midwives began to be outlawed (no coincidence, methinks). Yeah … feminism is evil all right. (hopefully you can detect sarcasm there).

      Sex trafficking in the US is a multi-billion dollar industry. Feminists fight against it. Feminists also fight against those using rape as a tool of war. And gendercide, which is horrifyingly common in India and China.

      So you don’t want to be a feminist? Knock yourself out. You don’t have to be. But I will be, and I’m proud to be raising my sons to be as well.

        1. I like it, too, and I am tired of the fundy insistence that feminists are of the “debbul.” πŸ‘Ώ

        2. Well, feminists are among the primary supporters of abortion. Polecat, you are against the gendercide, but are you against abortion. Abortion itself is a global genocide.

          Some feminists claim to be against pornography, but mostly they defend it as “sexually liberating”. And now we have the “slutwalks”. And feminists pushed for women to be accepted in the military and put in harm’s way. I agree with David Horowitz (not even a Christian) who said that feminism “is a bastard of Marxism”: http://bible-researcher.com/women/horowitz1.html

          http://bible-researcher.com/women/women-in-combat.html

        3. Henry, I don’t have an easy answer for you on the topic of abortion. It’s not as cut and dried, as black and white, as many wish it to be. As I wish it was.

          Are you aware that women are forced to submit to c-sections and other unwanted interventions every day during the births of their babies? Oftentimes they are forced by court order — they don’t want these interventions, but they are forced to have them. US law states that no one can be compelled to have surgery for the benefit of another person, but that law doesn’t apply to a pregnant women. Pregnant women are regularly strapped to tables and forced or coerced into procedures they don’t want. Are you OK with that? Why? Because it’s for the good of the baby? At what point do you acknowledge that you’ve chosen one life over another? Placed the rights of one person over another’s? Who are you to make that choice? It’s not your choice to make, is it?

          The thing is — the pregnant woman should get to say whether she’s strapped down during her birth experience. She should get to choose whether or not she has a cesarean section or a vaginal birth. She should get to choose whether or not she has medications. But every day, women are stripped of those rights. Because doctor knows best. The courts know best. Is that the world you want to live in? I don’t.

          The government does not belong in our uteruses, and neither do you. So where does abortion come into play in all of this? If I am to say the government should not get a say in my birth experience, then I logically have to say it also does not get a say in my pregnancy. I can’t have it both ways.

          No one is pro-abortion. No one that I know of, anyway. The fact that so many babies are aborted every day in this country is an abomination. We need to make birth control and education about the proper use of birth control more accessible, and then we need to provide a stronger social network for those who do have children, either wanted or unwanted.

          Feminism has done far more good for this country and this world than evil. It’s oppression we need to be fighting against, not feminism.

      1. Right there with ya, Polecat. I had a whole paragraph trying to explain what a slutwalk is all about, but I hate tilting at windmills. My son will be a feminist, and Henry, this might blow your mind, but if he turns out to be gay, I’ll still love him. And it won’t be that ridiculous condescending “hate the sin, love the sinner” bullcrap. It will be love.

        1. You mean you will not seek help for him? You will not admonish him to repent, turn, and accept Christ? You will tell him that he is safe and going to Heaven even while he is living in sin? (as all sinners are before God regenerates them)

          This is not love, and it is contrary to Scripture. When we Christians say love the sinner, but hate the sin, we mean it. Homosexuality is indeed sin.

          If you reject the authority of Scripture, then I’m probably wasting my time here.

        2. I’ll take a tilt at the ol’ windmill, if no one minds…

          Henry, I’d be very interested to know what you think the slutwalks are about. Because, although they sound bad and can have negative elements, the goal of them is actually quite defensible. Well, depending on your religion and worldview, I suppose…

          Slutwalks came out of a comment by a cop in a major Canadian city (Toronto, I think?). For whatever reason he had pulled the car of girls over, he ended up commenting something to the tune of if they didn’t dress like “sluts”, they wouldn’t have to be worried about getting raped. Someone can correct me if I have any details wrong, but that’s the gist.

          Slutwalks are about making men take responsibility for their own actions. Yes, it would be loving of women to help the men avoid temptation by dressing modestly, but that would not solve the problem. Rape happens everywhere. Maybe going naked would be best, as it removes the mystery (and I am not a naturist). Whatever shouldn’t be seen becomes “forbidden fruit”, and hence titillating. In cultures where a woman’s ankles shouldn’t be seen, the sight of ankles would reasonably be expected to excite a man. If covering up completely solved rape, Muslim countries should have zero rape. But that’s not the case.

          So the point is (going on rabbit trails while tilting at windmills is probably dangerous…), no matter what women wear or don’t wear, and however they act, men are still responsible for their actions. No means no, and rape is not the victim’s fault. That is the point of slutwalks.

        3. Henry,

          Do you believe if a woman wears clothing that shows some skin, it justifies a man’s decision to rape her?

        4. No, rape is always a sin. And wearing immodest clothing is always a sin. These are two separate sins.

        5. Who judges whether something is immodest or not? Is a woman whose head is uncovered immodest? What if her ankles are uncovered? Should she be covered from neck to ankle? Should she be covered in loose, flowing garments or is it sufficient that she be covered?

          And does modest clothing apply to both men and women or women only? What constitutes immodest clothing for men? Should he be clothed from neck to ankle? What about men who are topless in public? Are they immodest? Men who wear shorts? Are they sinning? Men whose backsides are exposed when they bend over?

          Perhaps modesty isn’t so much about WHAT is being worn as to HOW it is being worn. Is the person wearing garments deliberately designed to titillate, or is the person simply going about their day wearing whatever is most appropriate to the task at hand?

          If you (general) has a problem with lust, you need to control it. No woman should ever have to fear rape because you are unwilling to control yourself. And if you are unable to control yourself, well, you know what the Bible says about that. Cut it off.

        6. Wearing immodest clothes is not ALWAYS a sin. Or else the definition of “immodest” needs to be spelled out here for me. If you are using the cult’s (I mean IFB) definition for modesty then you are absolutely wrong. To dress for the purpose of calling attention to your sexuality is possibly a sin (Although I have no scripture to back that up) but to wear shorts on a hot day is not a sin. That is just practical.

        7. “If you (general) has a problem with lust, you need to control it. No woman should ever have to fear rape because you are unwilling to control yourself. And if you are unable to control yourself, well, you know what the Bible says about that. Cut it off.”

          STANDING OVATION!!!!!

    5. “Occult fiction”

      I have heard so many terms objecting to this or that type of literature.

      There is good literature and bad literature.

      I remember visiting one of my more conservative cousins where the kids almost chopped my head off when I asked them If they had seen the latest Star Wars movie.

      These movies, and the books it spawned woud be great subjects of conversations with kids, regarding THE FORCE. I can imagine Paul starting his sermon: “The FORCE you have heard about, this is the one I come to talk to you about today.

      There are good reasons why all of these books strike a note with its readers. Many speak of spiritual things, which are perfect hooks.

      I’ve visited families which refuse to allow their kids to read/see Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty or any other Fairy Tales, because of the magic content.

      And yet, year after year they teach their kids about the virginal birth, the angels singing, the star guiding the three kings which are magical hapenings which have nothing to do with the good news of Jesus.

      Most of the Vampire stories, ESPECIALLY the Young Adult series are only peripherally about vampires. They really are about relationships and about teenage angst.

      Kids know this.

      But, I forgot: Christian teenagers are not allowed to have “teenage angst.”

  18. Yes, his daughter is just starting to read so naturally she’ll understand the archaic English of the KJV so much better than her younger sister that can’t read at all.

  19. After listening to his “Pussy footed preaching and tolerating iniquities will NOT fix America!”, I am more disgusted with him than ever. He keeps saying “you can’t save them.” He is exactly right, I can’t save ANYONE and neither can he. Only Jesus can save! So his whole point about trying to save the out and proud crowd is flawed from the start.

    He also mentions a denomination (at 6:38) that I have never heard of: “the Angelicans.” Are these the followers of Ernest Angely? πŸ˜‰

  20. As much fun as it is to make fun of this guy, he does obviously have some type of mood disorder. Being that angry all the time at everyone and everything just doesn’t happen otherwise. I hope he will get effective treatment eventually– if not for his own sake, then for his children’s sake.

    1. Either that or perhaps it’s just from being around angry preaching or angry radio political commentary. I had to stop listening to vitriolic political radio shows because I found myself getting riled up and angry, too.

  21. Okay, so I should be ashamed for watching this guy’s “graphic Lady Gaga Poster…” video,
    http://bit.ly/uBamA5 but I must note:

    1. AFTER he notices said graphic posters, he brings his daughter by for another in-depth gander. He says that they’re “sick” and “not kid appropriate”, but his daughter is right there seeing said poster and calling out “Dad…” while he ignores her and talks right over her. If it’s so bad that it’s wrong for walmart (a for-profit secular company) to have it, why are you (a Christian parent) showing it to your daughter again? Who has the greater responsibility to your child?

    2. He has quite the potty mouth. First, he and his daughter both say “vampires suck”. Then he proceeds to use words like “stupid” “gay” “whore” and (my personal fav.) “Lady frickin’ caca, the mother whore of them all.” Mind you, this is all in front of his daughter and all within the first 36 seconds of film. I don’t even let my kids say “stupid”, so I was a bit taken aback.

  22. While I don’t and won’t own any vampire or Harry Potter books, I don’t walk through the aisles at Walmart scoffing at the book selection. I do most of my book shopping at the local Ollie’s or on Amazon. I was saddened by the children trying to get his attention, but he was too busy being pious and obnoxious.

  23. What a freak! Was he making fun of the Spanish versions? His website is so full of hate. His link to the blog ripping on gays in the military was disgusting ( think he is repressing his own homosexual feelings).

    I read the first Twilight book after some jr. High girls in youth group kept raving about them. I wanted to be able to have a conversation with the girls. I hated it. It was all about feelIngs and emotions. I wanted blood, guts and gore.

    Last summer our youth group went to summer movies. We saw the 2nd Twilight movie. When it was over I said to the guys, “see Edward was the perfect gentleman. Even though Belle wanted to have sex, he said no.” One of the guys looked at me and said, “yeah of courseche doesnt, he is dead.” I couldnt stop laughing.

    1. Homosexuality is sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). And homosexuals should not have been allowed into the military. This is a disgrace and insult to all those who have ever served in the military.

      1. I can cite oodles more passages that state fornication is a sin. I wonder if you believe that fornicators should be allowed to serve in our military? What about liars? Liars are an abomination to God. I’m betting there are a few of those in the military, too. Oh! And whore mongerers. I know there are some of those in the military. And adulterers. Now those — they sometimes get kicked out. But sometimes they get away with it. Oooo! And lukewarm Christians. They make God vomit!!! They DEFINITELY should not be in the military.

        When you want to start picking and choosing who gets to die in your defense, you’re on really shaky ground.

        <—former military brat

      2. The Theban Sacred Band, the Jannissaries, the Spartans and more than a few other ancient Greek armies were completely or significantly homosexual. (This list is not exhaustive.)

        They were all quite spectacularly successful too.

        Sorry, but gays have always been in the military. It is just that for a long time, they had to hide that they were gay.

        If you oppose gays being open in the military for religious reasons, fine, but don’t suggest that being gay as anything to do with being a good soldier (or a good teacher or a good pharmacist or a good farmer.)

      3. Speaking as someone who has served in the military (active duty) and continues to serve as a civilian within the DoD, I beg to differ, Henry. I knew plenty of gay people who served (and continue to do so) with me. No one in my unit ever had a problem with them. We did our jobs. We put on the same uniform every single day and not once did sexual orientation come into it. I am honored to have served my country, my gay friends are also honored to have served. I imagine that you would be surprised to discover just how many people in the DoD are gay.

  24. Just got home from my feminist-enabling job, because HF and I have this crazy habit — we like to eat. Anyway, I see that yet another troll has escaped and is choosing SFL as his new home.

    Ignore the rodent. He’ll run along.

  25. I am betting he doesn’t have family devotions in the OT.

    I recall the angry, spitting preaching against such novels and heeded the warnings to abstain from such books. When I started reading the OT, I couldn’t see anything much different than those vile books, so now I abstain from it too. Double standard in my opinion.

    1. You do not judge God or His Word, Monipenny. God and His Word judge you.

      True Christians embrace and conform themselves to God Word. Repent of your blasphemy against the Scriptures and accept Christ.

      1. Hello?!?!? I am free to judge any book written by men just as you feel free to judge any book written by men. You don’t have to believe “His Word” was written by men, but I do and it’s obvious to all that it was.

        PS: Don’t tell me what to do!

        1. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (God-breathed). It was written down by men, but God is the true Author.

          2 Timothy 3:16

    1. One of the tragedies of spiritual abuse in cultic churches is that many, if not most victims, leave the Christian faith altogether.

      But God is loving, forgiving, and merciful. Before I stop posting on this website, I admonish you to accept Christ and return to the Lord God. (John 3:16, 14:6)

      Find a true, loving, evangelical church. This is all.

      1. “….Before I stop posting on this website…”

        NO! Say it ain’t so Ted. Who will be our light and salt if you leave? I guess we just have to hope Henry or Bill stick around to show us the errors of our ways.

        1. You realize if he is a student at HAC he can count his time here on his activity report as “witnessing.”

        2. Good one, Sims, and I suppose we all do think Henry and Bill and Ted are the same little troll-with-nothing-to-do???

      2. It isn’t the spiritual abuse in cultic churches alone that causes many nor most to leave the Christian faith altogether, you are making a wide assumption about that. Those who find themselves free from cultic churches usually don’t abandon christianity unless they had the nerve of steel to question the fundamentals of the faith, which is to risk their salvation. Most don’t cross that line all because of spiritual abuse within a christian cult. Most people don’t just give up their beliefs that’s tied to salvation, who wants to go to hell? Certainly not believers. Any spiritually abused victims (believers) know they can find another church that doesn’t abuse which is what they will most likely do.

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