150 thoughts on “The Greatest Men In The World”

  1. Creator of teenage soul winning? So he was the first person to think, “hey, what if we went soul-winning…to teenagers? It’s so crazy, it just might work!”

  2. Now that we’ve established primacy:

    How’s this for exercises in superlatives? “World’s biggest, best, and largest?” Unreal. And “Creator” of “Teenage Soul Winning?” Good to see that someone picked up the Savior’s slack with saving the youth. Whew!

  3. Also…”Good music.” So the greatest men in the world couldn’t come up with the greatest music in the world, or even just great music in general? It’s merely “good”? I’d hate to be Steve Huckins.

    1. Some night club owners say it isn’t good to get music that’s too good, because then people will just listen to the music and won’t buy drinks and food.

      Maybe a similar principle is at work here– “Great” music would distract from the World’s Greatest Men, so just give them “good” music.

      The same theory is accepted in the movie-theater business– if the movie is too riveting, the audience won’t go out to the concession stand for high-priced refreshments. What you want is a movie that’s good enough to bring people in, but not too good for them to get up and buy snacks. This is known in the trade as a “popcorn movie.”

      1. “This is known in the trade as a โ€œpopcorn movie.โ€ ”

        Applying this to fundyville – I would classify your typical IFB sermon as “popcorn preaching”.

        1. It’s too bad they don’t have a popcorn stand out front. Or is that what they mean when they say “popcorn testimonies?”

        2. There seriously is such as thing as popcorn preaching that is used to hone preaching skills in Bible college. It is when someone is assigned a random topic like “why wing-tipped shoes are sinful” and told to “preach it” for five minutes.

          I suppose this conditions young college students for the pulpit where they will stand three times a week, fly off the cuff without preparation, exhaust their knowledge of the text in 15 minutes and end up seriously preaching against things like wing-tipped shoes, Hollywood, yoga, etc.

        3. Note please that Al Mohler preaches against yoga. *curses* Southern Baptist fudnamentalism makes me even angrier than IFB.

  4. Bravo! I didn’t know Dave created teenage soul winning! So prior to him no teenager had ever been able to be saved. He must be so proud of all the teenagers he has redeemed all on his own. (Not to mention the girls he took to his office for one on one advanced training.)

    1. Nor forgetting for a minute the deaths of two children caused by him with the assistance of his Bridezilla Brenda…. What a “great man,” indeed.

      I could just hurl. Right here is why i have not attended, and have no use or, “big name” Chistian speaker, rallies, etc. In years. Fool me once, shame on you….

  5. What year was this?

    Imagine hearing both Jack and David Hyles in the same meeting. That would be worse than the Chinese water torture! ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ˜ฅ ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

        1. Seen Enough, He went to California to be youth pastor, he screwed up (literally) badly while there, his wife told *someone* that he and David were very similar in their ways they treated children and she divorced him. I’m not sure where he went from there, but I have a feeling it involved the Graybar Hotel.

        2. Seriously, jail? Because how ironic, then, that Dave Hyles is still on the loose. Actually, I find it incredible that no irate husband/father/brother/boyfriend has removed Dave’s… Er, “problem area.”. (lobotomy, genitalia, take your pick.)

  6. The pictures are mixed up Jim and Dave are switched and I really wonder if the title “World’s Greatest Men” was actually real or has been altered. Certainly not anything published by FBCH.

    1. Not knowing what either David Hyles or Jim Crall look like, I would say it is easy to imagine the pictures being reversed.
      The guy pictured in the middle looks like a normal young man. The picture on the right is that of a pompous jerk who has been told his whole life that he came from the loins of the most holy and sanctified person in the world. You are getting your picture taken….SMILE!

    2. Yes, those names are definitely switched. I remember seeing the Dave Hyles around that time at a Sword Conference. It is definitely him in the 3rd picture.

    3. I was wondering the same thing about some of this being made up. Kind of like when something is so ridiculous you question its authenticity because just maybe it might be true. I think particularly of the “World’s Largest Sunday School” plastered all over their buses. So, just maybe they think of themselves as the “World’s Greatest Men.” I just have a hard time believing that even Jack Hyles is brazen enough to allow such a printing.

      I don’t know, I’m just asking.

      B.R.O.

    1. I was going to say that Dave Hyles was far worse; he was a known serial adulterer. His father was accused of an improper relationship with a secretary, but even his harshest enemies don’t say that he actually committed adultery.

      Which of the two had the bigger negative impact on Christianity is a separate question, and I think Jack Hyles wins that one.

        1. By adultery, I mean actually had a physical relationship – and although much was implied, and the husband said that Dr Hyles stole her affections, he always stopped short of accusing him of having a physical relationship. Many people are willing to believe that he did do so, but the closest ones to the center don’t accuse him of that.

      1. His harshest enemies (and some other people, too) DO say that he actually committed adultery.

        I don’t claim to have any special knowledge of the case, but there is no question that adultery has been alleged.

    2. I don’t know anyone mentioned in this ad, nor any women anyone may have had an affair with. The only thing I want to say is that I’m glad the link actually implies that the “poor women” are gullible rubes. I am so sick of hearing about this guy being a “predator.” He is the furthest thing from it! Those of you who call him a predator are worse than him; you treat your wife/husband as on object instead of a person. I think some people claiming that this guy is a “predator” are just jealous because he’s had more of a social life in 5 minutes than they’ve had in a decade or two. Just because you haven’t had a date since 1983 doesn’t make this guy, or any guy or gal in his position a “predator.” Look, if your wife was “stolen” by some suave, smooth-talking preacher, YOU are the idiot. Maybe you should have married someone who actually believed in marriage instead of a floozy who could be swept off her feet in 5 minutes by some well-known preacher. People steal your car or your DVD player. They don’t steal your wife/husband! Your sorry excuse of a spouse has a mind of their own and is not an object like a CD player.

      With that being said, I don’t condone adultery. I’m just saying that we need to be honest and not treat someone as a “dangerous predator” when they are not.

      1. I hope I don’t come across as being unkind. That’s not my intent at all. Like I said, not only do I not know this guy, I’ve never even met him. Nor have I the slightest clue who he may have had an affair with. It just seems silly and trite to say that your husband or wife was stolen by the neighbor/preacher/milkman/fireman, whatever.

        1. I understand your point, but I think a preacher is in a position that he can easily exploit, unlike the milkman. People look up to him as being godly. They go to him for advice and counsel. Their guard is down. They confide in him. They share their needs with him. He may listen to them, compliment them in ways their husbands do not. In the IFB, women are often taught to obey their authority and to never question the pastor and a predator CAN use this to his advantage, especially if he finds a woman with low self-esteem with a troubled history. I’m not trying to excuse adult woman who commit adultery, but I do think in some cases, men in powerful positions of authority can seduce a follower who trusts them.

        2. Um, you can’t say things like “Just because you havenโ€™t had a date since 1983” without coming across as unkind. Because that IS unkind.

        3. Good points, recent posters. I actually agree with Fran and The PW. Overall I have to agree with Fran, but The PW does make a valid point.

          Connie, I haven’t had a date since even BEFORE 1983. ๐Ÿ™‚ I don’t think my wife would appreciate it. I haven’t even courted anyone either. I think you might have misunderstood the poster. I think he was speaking to a common point of most of us humans: jealousy. My neighbor has a pool and a nice German car. I have neither. If I’m not careful, I could let my jealousy of his better situation cloud my judgement and thinking. The same with this guy. Just because he’s had more dates in a week’s time than some single person has had in 30 years, don’t let jealousy cloud your judgement. Life is this world will always be unfair and that’s just a fact. If we’re going to criticize married men for dating, it should be because of the fact that they are dating and it’s adulterous. Not because we are single and jealous of them. That’s beside the point.

        4. Oops, forgot to finish my thought. I don’t think that one poster was being unkind; they were just making a point. To get back to my example, if my neighbor beats his wife and kids, that should be enough to be critical of him then and there. The fact that he is more successful than me and richer than me should not enter into my judgement. Jealousy can cloud our judgements.

      2. Are you referring to Dave Hyles being the furthest thing from a predator? I am unclear as to whom you are referencing. If Dave Hyles, you need to study up on him. He absolutely fits the bill. Case in point: the Joy Evans story. And, FWIW, your post is unkind.

  7. When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom. – Proverbs 11:2 (KJV). I guess their approved version missed this one (and for that matter most of Proverbs–the whole ‘humility comes before honor’ theme seems lost on these guys) ๐Ÿ˜•

  8. These guys need to go big or go home.

    Dr. Jack Hyles: World’s most separated Christian – Pastors the world’s most faithful church – World’s most right with God.

    “Dr.” David Hyles: Creator of prenatal and neonatal soul winning – Wins over 9000 souls daily.

    “Dr.” Jim Crall: Runs larger bus route than Jesus did – Largest bus route in the universe.

  9. Greatest men… huh. Made me think of this: Heb. 11.32 ย ย And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; 36 and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated 38 (men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.

    1. And none of them could hold a candle to an itinerant preacher and carpenter who discipled only twelve people in a three-year period (one of whom fell away), was constantly in trouble with the authorities, and regularly hung out with the dregs of society. :mrgreen:

      ‘Greatest men in the world?’ I suppose…for certain values of ‘men’ and ‘world’. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Read that book you hit people over the head a little more thoroughly, you ‘greatest men in the world’. And enjoy the treasure you’ve gained on earth because there probably isn’t going to be any in heaven for you.

  10. How does “teenage son” translate into man and why would he be the greatest? I thought birthright means nothing in Fundamentalism, apparently it means everything in this case.

        1. Dude, you hit your head falling out of that window. Give yourself a break on your typing skills.

  11. it’s funny to look at how important many fundamentalists view themselves. they don’t seem to have any comprehension that very few people outside of their small kingdoms even know who they are, and even fewer people care.

  12. This poster was probably not made by Hyles, Hyles, and Crall, but the Hamilton Acres Baptist Church… I see that they fall into the American trap that great number = great success.

    I would rather be doing God’s work in God’s way and leave the results to Him, and not worry about numbers.

  13. According to Jesus:

    โ€œYou know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slaveโ€” just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.โ€

  14. Now, is that just the greatest men alive at that time, or does it mean the greatest men of all time? Because I can think of a far greater Man who lived and still does live, a Man who so far outstrips these fools that the very idea of comparing the two is ridiculous. Although I’m sure that doesn’t stop their fanboys and girls from trying.

      1. One reason I believe Dave and Bridezilla read this it’d is that, very time there is mention that they have a FB page, or that someone found them by googling, etc., then those very pages disappear. Or, perhaps there are so many hits that the sites crash. After all, the curious love to see a freak show. But, does anyone care that much any more? I know they have not gotten away with anything. God still reigns.

        1. With the internet, there is no longer a “clean escape”. Now, whenever someone googles his name, they get a real education. Gotta be tough trying to maintain a professional image with that history.

          There will be no washing that online reputation clean.

          I have been told a lot of employers investigate job applicant’s online…Sucks to be Dave Hyles – in oh-so-many-ways.

  15. Who promotes themselves as an ‘evangelist” when they are still a teenager? Whether his dad did or whether he wanted to be put in that spotlight, that kind of attention before adulthood can warp a person’s mind. Not excusing the things he did, but child stars, no matter how big the universe is in which they are stars, often have a lot of issues.

  16. So, if one googles Jim Crall, one is inevitably led to a Fighting Fundamentalist Forum thread on the Roadway Gang of HAC repute, of over 35 years ago. After reading the thread, I can name most of the anonymous posters there, but I still do not know whatever happened to Jim Crall. Still, interesting the role of Jim Vineyard, that sadistic twisted mastermind of cruelty. Man, I hope his wife has left him.

    1. Wow! Care to share any details (if not too painful). I only heard Jim Vineyard preach once; heard stories about him, but nothing that fitted him for the name “sadistic twisted mastermind of cruelty” — wow.

      1. http://www.danburrell.com/?p=577

        I blush at the “29” reference, but know those who heard it, and on more than one occasion..

        Then there is the gigantic paddle he showed off in junior church weekly, and used, on little Hispanic Chicago bus kids he did not know, nor did he have permission, but how would their non-Enlish speaking parents ever hurt him?

        Then, too, I am still in touch with guys I went to HAC with, who, sadly for them, had him for their boss. Some of them are atheists now, or are in therapy. Just google him. Read about his dirty-talk counseling. I know couples whose marriages he destroyed, with his”counseling.”

        A personal acquaintance told me that when he, the p.a., questioned Jack Hyles once in private as to why Vineyard got away with such evil doings while at HAC, Hyles responded that he had never been able to control JV, and that it was good that he was gone.

        Read about how he forced young college boys to fight each other, while he watched.

        Know that his wife was the butt of many a humiliating pulpit illustration.

        I personally heard him tell jokes mocking the educable-slow adults at FBC Hammond, and tell racist jokes, using every racist term you can name.

        He is horrible. ๐Ÿ‘ฟ

        1. “Know that his wife was the butt of many a humiliating pulpit illustration.”

          A little off topic, but I remember my mother talking about one of these Fundy Men of god that visited our small, less than 100 people size church. She hated how he’d tell all these stupid jokes at the beginning of the service about women.

          It doesn’t matter what kind of picture the Bible paints about “wives submit to your husbands” because all you have to do is look at Hyles-wannabes and listen to their “women-folk” jokes to know you’d NEVER marry them. It doesn’t matter what the Bible says because they do NOT have a Biblical view of “submission”. If they’re supposed to submit to Christ like their wives are to submit to them, this grotesque display of self-righteous BS is proof they don’t have the correct view of submission.

        2. Only 29? What a pathetic wimp.

          It’s too bad the giveaway of an AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifle to some lucky teenager at church camp had to be postponed.

          Darrell, we need a special section on this guy. In fact, there might be enough there for a whole site devoted to Jim Vinyard.

        3. Oh, Big Gary, that 487 nearly made me fall out of my chair. Dear
          Ord, please let this nickname for him stick! As for ME, 487, this is your tile from now on! ๐Ÿ˜†

        4. Wow! Thanks. I don’t understand why JAV is still supported by churches as a missionary (maybe it’s an offering of thanksgiving that he is no longer in this country!?!?)

        5. @Megan – I don’t like pastors or evangelists that routinely mock their wives. Actually, I dislike anyone who makes fun of his wife before others.

        6. I worked for Vineyard and Col. Williams at the Bus Barn as a bus mechanic back in ’76. He would force us to don boxing gloves and beat on each other, all the while threatening that if we didn’t fight, he would beat us to a pulp. He bragged about biting the heads off living animals. He was a brute, a bully, and sadistic. Even his chapel sermons were so over the top–“Bloody Hands.” Remember that one? A big vat of cow’s blood he kept dipping his hands into, letting the blood run down, telling us that if we didn’t win every soul that crossed our path, their blood was on our hands, their eternal damnation our fault. Don’t even get me started on Dave Hyles…

      1. LOL. I loved that my mom would go on and on about how Catholics are idolaters that worship the pope…and we had a framed picture of Jack Hyles in our house. Irony, thy name is Fundy.

        1. No, no, 592, you have been delivered from that, remember? (Yeah, it IS more fun if the number goes up each time, 618.) ๐Ÿ˜†

  17. I grew up in a Fundy-Max institution. One thing that I am very thankful about is that my father, a HAC grad, counseled me not to attend HAC when I was choosing a Fundy U.
    I ended up at a comparatively benign (but still bat-crap crazy) institution.

    1. Hooray for your dad! I may even have known him, and no, not asking. I did the same: would not DREAM of allowing my precious children NEAR that swamp.

  18. OMG!!! Jim Crall was our youth pastor my last two years of high school. Ohhhh the STORIES I could tell… (not that anyone really would be surprised or cares even)

    1. So, Sims, 1974 he came to your school? That is right about the time the Roadway Gang pulled their stunts. Sounds like he, too, was scurried away…

  19. Well, from when he arrived, he was touted as the greatest youth pastor ever, etc etc. He of course fully believed his own press. He would show up for chapel services and give “sermons” about all the bad things he and Dave Hyles did to get in trouble, but they never seemed to get into trouble. Talked (In chapel to us teenagers) about how they would sneak out and get away with it and how they liked girls, etc. He was proud of how sneaky and rebellious and was ALWAYS name-dropping David’s name as what great friends they were. He always acted like a celebrity and hardly ever spent ANY time with the kids. He strutted in when he was to speak and hurried out when he was done. But there was a girl (9th grade) who he always gave rides home to. She got pregnant. She was scurried away quietly and everyone knew it was his.

    I don’t remember when he got married, but by the time I got back from college he had a couple very young kids and his wife was ready to divorce him. She said that he abused the kids and that she was afraid to let the kids be with him or with David. There was a lot more stuff that I don’t really remember because it was a very long time ago. I just know that when it comes to “Greatest Men” this poster must have been made on Opposite Day.

  20. They forgot to mention “the most humble” as well
    ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

    As ridiculous as this poster is, its really very sad. I can’t imagine how many people were turned away from the gospel, or how many Christian became disillusioned because of the egotism of these men and the worship of their cult-followers.

      1. Huh. It works in firefox. Right click “open in new tab”. Anyhow, it’s a picture of Ron Burgandy with the “I’m kind of a big deal” slogan ๐Ÿ™‚

  21. Once upon a time, on another ffforum, someone posted a very old conference poster with a bunch of the old-tymie big names: Bob Gray (FL), Jack Hyles, Truman Dollar, etc. It was interested how many of these guys had big scandals in their ministries – it was a large percentage.

    I have been trying to find that poster on google images, but to no avail.

  22. i find myself wanting to state the obvious that David Hyles a started ministry called “Teenage Soul Winning” but he was such a {expletive deleted} that I would rather the purposeful misrepresenting of the phrase continue on and hopefully replace it as the actuality of what was being said in 1973.

    It’s revisionist history, but it’s late and I don’t car.
    :mrgreen:

    1. Yes, Easterlily, that is correct. The teenage soulwinning ministry was for the teens of the church to go out soulwinning. We were pressured into talking to anyone and everyone whose path we crossed. We were often taken to rather dangerous neighborhoods and left fairly unsupervised for hours at a time. One time, a drugged out guy started asking me whether I was a virgin or not and offered to take it for me because it would be “healthy for me to give that up already.” Sadly, I felt compelled to keep talking to the guy, desperately trying to get the conversation back on track and lead the man to Christ! Had our car driver not shown up when he did, and say it was time to go, it might have ended very badly. Oh, did I mention that happened in the heart of the Cabrini Green projects? Yeah, who in their right mind takes cars full of high school girls to a place like that?

      1. I wouldn’t take an armed commando unit into Cabrini Green, let alone a group of high-school girls.

        I seem to remember that Cabrini Green (probably the most notorious bad housing project in the U.S.) has now been closed and/or torn down. Is that correct?

  23. Yes, Cabrini Green is now gone. This event happened shortly before it shut down. And yes, I have no idea what would possess anyone to take naive, sheltered, middle class, suburbanite teens into Cabrini Green – let alone an all-girls group! It was all insanity.

  24. The first Friday chapel I attended at Hammond Baptist was with Dave and his “Make Love to Jesus” speach. My response was the same as when he said he looked at porn and R-rated movies so we could be warned. Dave picked out our 1975 graduation celebration with the “movie” David Livingston Seagull which in all fairness I think maybe Dave was trying to tell us something he couldn’t say~ which probably went something like this: get out while you can and fly with the rest of the world. I could be wrong because it was so so long ago but I thought his wife’s name was Julie? maybe not, it really doesn’t matter the whole thing was a nightmare and Dave Hyles along with his father-Mrs. Hyles,and siblings all knew the sham that was created for them. Those of us that liberally funded this Fundy and went to South Chicago to bring in more must be the “choose ones” yet chosen for what I still don’t know. It took 6 years to get the nerve to go to a secular university and even longer to rid myself of most of the brain washing I endured while going to school and college there and another 20 to realize the spousal abuse I picked up while getting my MRS. at Hyles Anderson was not what a god would prescribe for a healthy marriage. What I did learn from this experience was that humans are hell bent to pull the wool over each other’s eyes. ๐Ÿ’ก hmmm betcha that goes on everywhere.

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