52 thoughts on “Finding Other People’s Sin That Is More Sinful Than Your Sin”

  1. “I’d rather be fat and loving…than thin and hateful.”

    Well that’s a nice sentiment, but you’re fat and hateful. Lose, lose.

    1. Sin identification fail for sure! It’s awfully convenient when the sins that god REALLY hates are the ones other people are doing, and not the one Grice does.

  2. Not the ruin the mood, but it is likely that he dose just have a lousy metabolism. He may not be a habitual glutton.

    I could be the world’s worst glutton and never gain a pound.
    Of course that isn’t all roses either – every girl in the world hates me. 🙁

    1. On Feb 13th at 8:10 PM Bro. Grice tweeted out “Just got done with our Missions Conference International Supper. I think I am in diabetic shock. :)”

      Doesn’t sound like a man who is counting calories. But who knows. My doctor keeps telling me I should lose weight too. 🙂

  3. Glutton. Gluten is the stuff people w/ Chrohn’s disease are allergic to in white bread, and other products.

    I suspect it’s more related to all the potlucks w/ the delicious delicious angel’d eggs. He seems to concede in this clip that it’s gluttony not related to metabolism.

    Not that it would justify making false accusations, but he doesn’t have problems leveling baseless charges at anyone & everyone who happens to be involved in activities he disapproves of.

  4. Grice puts his own stuff on youtube knowing that its going to be seen. He just not as outrageous as Jack Schaap. Nothing beats a video of Jack.

  5. What I really don’t get about the ‘the homosexuals are coming’ sermons is what difference it really makes for us. It shouldn’t really make any, should it?

    We show them the love of Christ like anyone else. We respect them as people and try to reach them with the gospel while not letting an obnoxious method get in the way. They are no different (and certainly no less deserving of grace) then us.

    Instead so many fundamentalists use it as an excuse to hate them and overlook or minimize their own shortcomings and sins by comparing themselves with the homosexuals.

    It is all just flesh: the lack of love, the indulging of hate, the elitist, separatist attitude, the pride, the excusing of ‘lesser sins’.

    1. I get the feeling, when I read the Gospels, that Christians would likely be in the minority throughout the ages.

      Did early Christians protest loudly against the homosexuality of the Greeks or the immorality of the greater Roman society?

      I really don’t know what to think of the politicization of Christianity. For so long, in Europe and America, Christianity was one of the guiding factors of the citizenry. Good thing when your in the majority. But i the last 50 years or so, the polarity has been growing.

      Do we try to retain or regain political control, or do we work from the grass roots to help shape and guide society from the bottom-up?

      1. We live in terms of the Kingdom of God and take both being in a majority and being in a minority in stride, as neither one is a permanent condition; whereas, being in the Kingdom of God is a permanent condition.

  6. Preaching against others. Self-condemning statement slips out. Duration of message contains false humility for obvious problem. Sympathy is returned by the audience. Blast the others once more for effect. Fat is forgotten.

    Audience Manipulation 101. Same old, same old.

  7. “Sodom’s sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.” Ezekiel 16:49 NLT

    So why did Sodom burn?

      1. That’s because blaming the gays is so much simpler. We make an easy target, which gives preachers a great fire and brimstone story and a “big sin” to rail against, never mind what the Bible actually says about Sodom’s true sins.

        1. To be honest, I don’t remember Schettler addressing this one. I only remember maybe a handful of sermons from my entire 4 years and that isn’t one of them.

    1. Yes, one of the things I always wonder about is why people think that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for sexual immorality, when the Bible says that it was for (1) injustice to the poor, and (2) violence.

    2. How does Jude 1:7 read in your translation?

      Or the rest of Ezekiel 16 which speaks of abominations and impurities committed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

      Sure, there were lots of problems in those cities, but there’s a reason “Sodomy” is called what it is.

      1. You know, reading the whole Jude passage in context, it looks to me like Jude is saying the latest round of troublemakers in the church (4) is nothing new, that they’re just like the Egyptians (5), fallen angels (6), and the citizens of the S/G Metro Area (7) in that they reject the grace (4) and authority (8) of God. They all three serve as a past example (10) of what God does to people that reject those things.

        As for Ezekiel, notice that the only named sins are arrogance, gluttony, and a lack of concern about the poor and needy; everything else falls under the catch-all of “haughty and detestable.” Any attempt to specify what those detestable things might have been is just reading into the text. Remember this is God speaking directly, too, and I don’t recall ever seeing God pull punches when He calls out sin.

      2. @jwnevin: I believe Jude 1:7 states: “just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality [some translations say sexual immorality] and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.” NASB

        I don’t see any specific naming of homosexuality as the reason Sodom was destroyed either in Jude 16 or Ezekiel. But I do see gluttony listed specifically. Funny thing that.

        Btw, I’m not saying that homosexual relations are condoned by the Bible, but homesexuality is not the main reason for the destruction of Sodom.

        1. I think ‘went after strange flesh’ is in mind there. Although to be fair this could be bestiality or something else. The treatment of the angels in the Genisis acount leaves little room for questions however.

          You are very right that it is not singled out as the primary reason though; and it is certainly not the only reason.

        2. If you’re going to get into that incident with the angels, you have to deal with the fact that it was apparently the epitome of virtue for Lot to offer to let the mob gang-rape both of his virgin daughters instead of his houseguests.

  8. My beef with this preacher is not his weight. I take issue with his preaching.

    He is supposed to be up there teaching God’s Word not trying to imitate Rush Limbaugh from the pulpit. So dude, go up there and teach the sacred scriptures. Get of your high horse, quit shoving your crusty opinions down everyones throat and just teach the word.

    God has spoken. It’s all there in the Bible. We don’t need to add to it. Just explain it. Tell us what the writers were trying to get across IN CONTEXT.

    Don’t try to make the Bible say what you want it to say, let the Bible change you and conform to it. Exegete, do not eisegete.

    Mr Grice, your yelling will not change one heart. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. So don’t worry about it. What you need to worry about is rightly dividing scripture. There is only one intended meaning in each passage that God is trying to get across to us…figure it out. Then teach that.

    1. Nah. He just hasn’t come out yet. Give it time. 🙂

      I have noted that often times them that speak the loudest against something most often fail in that same area. Not always but a lot of the time.

      1. Oh please no. I think I can safely speak for my people when I say we don’t want him to bat for our team! :mrgreen:

  9. Wow, what a circular argument. He goes from “‘sodomites’ are worse than gluttons” to “all sin is sin”, and from “I know I have a problem with being fat” to “it’s not my fault and I’d rather be this way.” Did anyone else find it funny that he used the “but God made me this way” argument to explain his weight? I’d bet he’d shoot down any “sodomite” that made the same claim. 🙄

      1. circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works ……….

  10. Maybe God did rain fire on Sodom, but God also gave fat people diabetes, high cholesterol, respiratory issues, etc.

  11. Speaking of vooicw, why do all these preachers sound just alike? I mean do they teach that in fundy schools?

    1. (Greta Garbo Voice)
      Sorry, Garbo was a woman (sort of) so she couldn’t become a preacher

  12. “I’ve Never Seen God rain down brimstone on fat people”

    Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, ***fulness of bread***, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy

    1. Brimstone never rains down on fat people? ❓
      Hey, now I have a(nother) excuse not to lose weight! 😛

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