<![CDATA[SFL Forum - All Forums]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/ Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:00:09 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Bill Ayers: Obama Should Be Tried for War Crimes]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7134 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:37:04 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7134
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...war-crimes]]>
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...war-crimes]]> <![CDATA[Bruce Gerencser: The Way Forward.]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7131 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:08:10 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7131 <![CDATA[Explaining it to the 'rents]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7130 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:00:39 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7130 <![CDATA[You're not doing enough!]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7129 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:21:33 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7129
Not looking for advice, just sharing my aggravation/venting (here we go again!) If his batteries STAY CHARGED for very long I'll be shoving off!]]>
Not looking for advice, just sharing my aggravation/venting (here we go again!) If his batteries STAY CHARGED for very long I'll be shoving off!]]> <![CDATA[Recipes found on Social Media]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7128 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:07:09 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7128
.jpg  992952_10201273089495546_250869098_n.jpg (Size: 83.82 KB / Downloads: 37)

I apologise for the photo. This is the picture I took of my meal, not the pretty picture going around facebook.

Cut zucchinis in half, then slice a bit off the bottom so that it sits flat. Brush with olive oil and garlic or garlic powder (I used minced garlic). Put slices of baby tomatoes down, add salt and pepper and cover with grated cheese.

Bake at 375 F (I think?) for 20 mins.]]>
.jpg  992952_10201273089495546_250869098_n.jpg (Size: 83.82 KB / Downloads: 37)

I apologise for the photo. This is the picture I took of my meal, not the pretty picture going around facebook.

Cut zucchinis in half, then slice a bit off the bottom so that it sits flat. Brush with olive oil and garlic or garlic powder (I used minced garlic). Put slices of baby tomatoes down, add salt and pepper and cover with grated cheese.

Bake at 375 F (I think?) for 20 mins.]]> <![CDATA[Howdy All! I think I've found my home.]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7127 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:44:01 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7127
Here's my story in a nutshell. I am in my late 30s. Born and raised in the New England area, and still make my home here. About six or seven years ago, I went through a kind of "awakening" where I began realizing how untrue and frankly ridiculous some of the things we had been taught really were. As a result of that, I initially believed I had lost all faith in God and Christ altogether. Then, a couple of years ago, through the grace of God and the wonders of the internet, I began discovering blogs and articles on line wherein I learned that -- WONDERS OF WONDERS! -- you could still be a person of faith, and yes even a Christian, and YES, even a Christian with a meaningful, personal relationship with Jesus (!!) WITHOUT being a fundy! I began to see and understand, bit by bit, that renouncing fundamentalism didn't have to mean losing my faith or my desire to follow Jesus in a way that was meaningful and authentic to me. It was nothing short of a miracle! Smile

As time has gone by, my faith has deepened and matured in a way that just wasn't possible while I was still a dweller in fundy land, and it has brought me much more HAPPINESS than I ever thought possible. Nowadays concepts like grace, love, and mercy have a lot more meaning to me than the rules and commandments of men that once ruled my life.

Anyway, that's me -- or at least a small part of my story! -- in a nutshell. I am happy to be here and look forward to meeting some interesting folks and sharing thoughts and tales of fundyland!

Peace,
Jo]]>
Here's my story in a nutshell. I am in my late 30s. Born and raised in the New England area, and still make my home here. About six or seven years ago, I went through a kind of "awakening" where I began realizing how untrue and frankly ridiculous some of the things we had been taught really were. As a result of that, I initially believed I had lost all faith in God and Christ altogether. Then, a couple of years ago, through the grace of God and the wonders of the internet, I began discovering blogs and articles on line wherein I learned that -- WONDERS OF WONDERS! -- you could still be a person of faith, and yes even a Christian, and YES, even a Christian with a meaningful, personal relationship with Jesus (!!) WITHOUT being a fundy! I began to see and understand, bit by bit, that renouncing fundamentalism didn't have to mean losing my faith or my desire to follow Jesus in a way that was meaningful and authentic to me. It was nothing short of a miracle! Smile

As time has gone by, my faith has deepened and matured in a way that just wasn't possible while I was still a dweller in fundy land, and it has brought me much more HAPPINESS than I ever thought possible. Nowadays concepts like grace, love, and mercy have a lot more meaning to me than the rules and commandments of men that once ruled my life.

Anyway, that's me -- or at least a small part of my story! -- in a nutshell. I am happy to be here and look forward to meeting some interesting folks and sharing thoughts and tales of fundyland!

Peace,
Jo]]> <![CDATA[Saturday Night Church]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7126 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:15:33 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7126
We once attended a local mega church that had several services on Sunday and one on Saturday night. We got in a habit of going Saturday night and enjoyed it.

After becoming a Catholic I continue the tradition with the Saturday evening Vigil Mass...at least in the summer time. When my husband is working late I just go and enjoy. Then I can sleep in on Sunday morning....Big Grin That's NOT why I do it but it is a perk.

I have been told that the custom grew out of the Jewish tradition of the day beginning at sunset. The services are earlier than sunset but the principal is basically the same.]]>
We once attended a local mega church that had several services on Sunday and one on Saturday night. We got in a habit of going Saturday night and enjoyed it.

After becoming a Catholic I continue the tradition with the Saturday evening Vigil Mass...at least in the summer time. When my husband is working late I just go and enjoy. Then I can sleep in on Sunday morning....Big Grin That's NOT why I do it but it is a perk.

I have been told that the custom grew out of the Jewish tradition of the day beginning at sunset. The services are earlier than sunset but the principal is basically the same.]]> <![CDATA[Marrying Someone from Another State]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7125 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:38:16 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7125
I did meet someone, but then came a complication that I hadn't thought of: we were from different areas of the country. It didn't really matter at the time because since he was going to be a pastor, we'd just go where we could minister and not make choices based on family.

However, as I've grown older, I've seen the value of being near family (my own parents hadn't settled near family either so I'd grown up without extended family) and I miss it. A facebook friend just posted that she and her husband are moving away from our state (where her husband grew up) and back to her family on the West Coast so it got me thinking about this: fundy kids are encouraged to go to fundy colleges, often out of state, where they'll meet people from out of state and marry and perhaps end up living far from family.

Does this even matter? Fundies tend to put church relationships above family relationships anyway.

Maybe it's just because I'm growing older, but I think family is really important so I was just pondering the impact it makes when you marry someone from far away. (Of course, if you don't want to be near your family, then it's not an issue!)]]>
I did meet someone, but then came a complication that I hadn't thought of: we were from different areas of the country. It didn't really matter at the time because since he was going to be a pastor, we'd just go where we could minister and not make choices based on family.

However, as I've grown older, I've seen the value of being near family (my own parents hadn't settled near family either so I'd grown up without extended family) and I miss it. A facebook friend just posted that she and her husband are moving away from our state (where her husband grew up) and back to her family on the West Coast so it got me thinking about this: fundy kids are encouraged to go to fundy colleges, often out of state, where they'll meet people from out of state and marry and perhaps end up living far from family.

Does this even matter? Fundies tend to put church relationships above family relationships anyway.

Maybe it's just because I'm growing older, but I think family is really important so I was just pondering the impact it makes when you marry someone from far away. (Of course, if you don't want to be near your family, then it's not an issue!)]]> <![CDATA[Agnosticism(its usage as a label)]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7123 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:05:31 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7123
The reason why I feel it is restrictive is that atheism does have certain implications which a person who identifies himself or herself as agnostic might not believe. For instance, does the universe have a purpose? I am agnostic. I don't know. The atheistic answer to this question is no. Will I say that it doesn't have a purpose just because I think god may not exist, and that a purposeless universe may in fact be what we find ourselves in at the moment? I do not see any compelling reason why I should concede to that unless my unbelief is strong enough to make my knowledge, or lack thereof, a non-issue.

Can there be a middle ground? I know there are different shades of agnosticism. I do not mind if you think that I'm an atheist. Sometimes I feel like God exists, but most of the time I don't. I still do not label myself as an atheist. It's not because I'm scared of making a decision. I have wrestled with this for a long time.]]>
The reason why I feel it is restrictive is that atheism does have certain implications which a person who identifies himself or herself as agnostic might not believe. For instance, does the universe have a purpose? I am agnostic. I don't know. The atheistic answer to this question is no. Will I say that it doesn't have a purpose just because I think god may not exist, and that a purposeless universe may in fact be what we find ourselves in at the moment? I do not see any compelling reason why I should concede to that unless my unbelief is strong enough to make my knowledge, or lack thereof, a non-issue.

Can there be a middle ground? I know there are different shades of agnosticism. I do not mind if you think that I'm an atheist. Sometimes I feel like God exists, but most of the time I don't. I still do not label myself as an atheist. It's not because I'm scared of making a decision. I have wrestled with this for a long time.]]> <![CDATA[How to talk about christianity with a non-believer?]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7121 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:07:57 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7121 <![CDATA[To What Lengths Do We Go to Rescue People?]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7120 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:58:11 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7120
Quote: It does make some sense, in that if we really believed it, we’d do everything we could to keep others from a terrible fate. Rather like if the wildfire’s on the way, you bang on your neighbor’s door to make sure they get out in time. . . But we don’t- at least, only the real freaks do. It makes me wonder how deep the roots of belief go, and what is under them.

I think the fire metaphor breaks down because this is an issue of faith. I don't believe in forcing people at sword-point to have to affirm belief in something (doing that has resulted in some of the atrocities of history like the Inquisition).

But even in situations of physical danger, do we always rescue people against their will? I'm not sure of the laws. I know governments can order mandatory evacuations but I also know that people regularly ignore them. (A huge issue is that if people don't evacuate earlier, they will put rescuers in danger if they later beg for assistance.) Do we physically restrain people and physically remove them for their own good in the case of fires, hurricanes, etc.? I know in stories and movies a guy will knock someone out in order to carry them away from danger. Do they do that? Or do they let people have freedom of choice, even if that freedom causes their death?

I'm thinking of the man who wouldn't leave his home near Mt. St. Helen's. He died when it blew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Randall_Truman

I was just curious about when we force people to do something against their will but for their good. In what situations do we do so and when do we allow them the right to ignore warnings and possibly lose their life in the process?]]>
Quote: It does make some sense, in that if we really believed it, we’d do everything we could to keep others from a terrible fate. Rather like if the wildfire’s on the way, you bang on your neighbor’s door to make sure they get out in time. . . But we don’t- at least, only the real freaks do. It makes me wonder how deep the roots of belief go, and what is under them.

I think the fire metaphor breaks down because this is an issue of faith. I don't believe in forcing people at sword-point to have to affirm belief in something (doing that has resulted in some of the atrocities of history like the Inquisition).

But even in situations of physical danger, do we always rescue people against their will? I'm not sure of the laws. I know governments can order mandatory evacuations but I also know that people regularly ignore them. (A huge issue is that if people don't evacuate earlier, they will put rescuers in danger if they later beg for assistance.) Do we physically restrain people and physically remove them for their own good in the case of fires, hurricanes, etc.? I know in stories and movies a guy will knock someone out in order to carry them away from danger. Do they do that? Or do they let people have freedom of choice, even if that freedom causes their death?

I'm thinking of the man who wouldn't leave his home near Mt. St. Helen's. He died when it blew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Randall_Truman

I was just curious about when we force people to do something against their will but for their good. In what situations do we do so and when do we allow them the right to ignore warnings and possibly lose their life in the process?]]> <![CDATA[Dealing with ID]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7118 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:40:14 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7118
Other than pointing out the obvious philosophical nature of ID (ie, it is not Science), one could point them - if they are fairly intelligent - to this general online paper about self - organizing systems.]]>
Other than pointing out the obvious philosophical nature of ID (ie, it is not Science), one could point them - if they are fairly intelligent - to this general online paper about self - organizing systems.]]> <![CDATA[My Church Turning to a Cult]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7117 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:03:00 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7117
If I was to talk to him about what I see I would get booted out for being negative to a "man of God".

What should I do speak up for what I know is totally wrong or disappear quietly out the back door.

Makes it hard when the church is part of your life.


Edit: I changed the original thread as thought maybe it wasn't right to bring peoples names into it]]>
If I was to talk to him about what I see I would get booted out for being negative to a "man of God".

What should I do speak up for what I know is totally wrong or disappear quietly out the back door.

Makes it hard when the church is part of your life.


Edit: I changed the original thread as thought maybe it wasn't right to bring peoples names into it]]> <![CDATA[National Automobile Insurance (Automobile Insurance for everyone)]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7116 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:49:46 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7116
My thought is to get a National Automobile Insurance law that would mandate Automobile Insurance for anyone who is old enough to drive. This should cause my Automobile Insurance to go down.

What do you think?]]>
My thought is to get a National Automobile Insurance law that would mandate Automobile Insurance for anyone who is old enough to drive. This should cause my Automobile Insurance to go down.

What do you think?]]> <![CDATA[Women of character]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7115 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:36:55 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7115
To give you an idea of what kind of church this is, they have Bro. Tony Hutson come down each fall to lead a "revival." If you are not familiar with Hutson, just Youtube his name. They are "KJB" only, and are quite adamant about it. I actually have family who attend the church and they have become fundamental zombies over the course of 2 years.

I have engaged in numerous Facebook discussions with these people. Such as the validity of modern translations verses the "KJB" and other similar nonsense. One of the deacons at this church has his own website, which is quite hilarious.

In fact, his website is the reason for this post. If you are a woman dealing with character issues, be sure to consult this list often. Consider this list your own personal ten commandments for Godly womanhood.

http://biblebelievernet.com/2013/06/10/t...eff-owens/]]>
To give you an idea of what kind of church this is, they have Bro. Tony Hutson come down each fall to lead a "revival." If you are not familiar with Hutson, just Youtube his name. They are "KJB" only, and are quite adamant about it. I actually have family who attend the church and they have become fundamental zombies over the course of 2 years.

I have engaged in numerous Facebook discussions with these people. Such as the validity of modern translations verses the "KJB" and other similar nonsense. One of the deacons at this church has his own website, which is quite hilarious.

In fact, his website is the reason for this post. If you are a woman dealing with character issues, be sure to consult this list often. Consider this list your own personal ten commandments for Godly womanhood.

http://biblebelievernet.com/2013/06/10/t...eff-owens/]]> <![CDATA[Fundy Rebel Blog]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7113 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:04:57 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7113 I've started a new blog. I don't claim to be a writer, but want to share my story.

fundyrebel.wordpress.com]]> I've started a new blog. I don't claim to be a writer, but want to share my story.

fundyrebel.wordpress.com]]> <![CDATA[The "Burning albums for Jesus" church-school is now closing]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7112 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:13:46 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7112
What I've noticed is that longevity does not seem to be a defining feature of the Fundamentalist grade or high school (at least in Southern California.) That school was founded in 1974; it isn't even forty years old and it's already folding. I went to seven religious schools, only one of them is still in operation. In fact, the school in La Mesa was doing so badly they were renting space to another school; allegedly they only had thirty-forty students of their own.]]>
What I've noticed is that longevity does not seem to be a defining feature of the Fundamentalist grade or high school (at least in Southern California.) That school was founded in 1974; it isn't even forty years old and it's already folding. I went to seven religious schools, only one of them is still in operation. In fact, the school in La Mesa was doing so badly they were renting space to another school; allegedly they only had thirty-forty students of their own.]]> <![CDATA[The Discovery Institute Is A Con-Profit Scam]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7111 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:34:45 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7111 http://cenlamar.com/2013/06/07/the-disco...ofit-scam/]]> http://cenlamar.com/2013/06/07/the-disco...ofit-scam/]]> <![CDATA[The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7110 Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:49:49 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7110 here. Particularly for anyone who reads SFL, I STRONGLY recommend this book. Great, informative read. Incidentally, one of its publishers is a Christian counselor - with actual counseling credentials and a good career, which makes the book trustworthy.

Other opinions? Have any of you read it?]]> here. Particularly for anyone who reads SFL, I STRONGLY recommend this book. Great, informative read. Incidentally, one of its publishers is a Christian counselor - with actual counseling credentials and a good career, which makes the book trustworthy.

Other opinions? Have any of you read it?]]> <![CDATA[Question for the scholars]]> http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7109 Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:38:01 -0500 http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7109


I have been looking at Master’s programs. There is an MDiv at NBTS with a concentration in Christian Education that I really like. But there are a few obstacle, one being that I am divorced and NBTS likes to make divorced people jump through hoops before they allow them to enroll. Two being that Liberty is not ATS accredited and NBTS like students entering grad school to have an ATS accredited degree. Liberty is SACS accredited, NBTS may be the only school in the world that places more value on ATS accreditation than SACS accreditation, even though they are also SACS accredited. SO it will probably take more than a B.S. in Religion for a divorced guy to enroll in an MDiv program at NBTS.



I have learned that in seminaries there seem to be stepping stone degrees. MDiv seems to be the highest Master level degree before you enter the doctorate level. There is a Master of Arts in Theology (M.A.T.S) that seems to be step one. Liberty has a program that is only 36 hours more than a B.S. After that there is a M.A.R (Master of Arts in Religion) that gets you even closer to an MDiv.



Anyone here have any seminary stories? Anyone else tried to navigate the road to an MDiv? It looks like my best chance to get to NBTS is to get 2 or 3 degrees from Liberty but isn’t that a bad thing? I thought it was frowned upon to get multiple degrees from the same school? Any insight on this here?]]>


I have been looking at Master’s programs. There is an MDiv at NBTS with a concentration in Christian Education that I really like. But there are a few obstacle, one being that I am divorced and NBTS likes to make divorced people jump through hoops before they allow them to enroll. Two being that Liberty is not ATS accredited and NBTS like students entering grad school to have an ATS accredited degree. Liberty is SACS accredited, NBTS may be the only school in the world that places more value on ATS accreditation than SACS accreditation, even though they are also SACS accredited. SO it will probably take more than a B.S. in Religion for a divorced guy to enroll in an MDiv program at NBTS.



I have learned that in seminaries there seem to be stepping stone degrees. MDiv seems to be the highest Master level degree before you enter the doctorate level. There is a Master of Arts in Theology (M.A.T.S) that seems to be step one. Liberty has a program that is only 36 hours more than a B.S. After that there is a M.A.R (Master of Arts in Religion) that gets you even closer to an MDiv.



Anyone here have any seminary stories? Anyone else tried to navigate the road to an MDiv? It looks like my best chance to get to NBTS is to get 2 or 3 degrees from Liberty but isn’t that a bad thing? I thought it was frowned upon to get multiple degrees from the same school? Any insight on this here?]]>