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pblawman · 04-10-2011, 09:35 PM

(04-10-2011 09:28 PM)Darrell Wrote:
Quote:if he does, he will be rebuked by the Sharper Iron crowd.

I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. Seriously.

I guess we'll see...but while I'm far to the left of most of those guys on some issues, I don't consider them to be part of the sweep it under the rug crowd. Forgiveness and restoration to the church may occur, but he doesn't fit the category of blameless, and I think they take that seriously.

Ex-IFBer · 04-10-2011, 09:53 PM

It's not just the admission of abuse...they have said she's been lying for YEARS...about everything!! Medical fraud, abuse, molestation..it goes on! So, then THEY have not only covered up the abuse but now confessed they've lied to EVERYONE about it all!! Wow!! This is amazing for her!! So glad she is finally validated!!!

**RobMille** · 04-10-2011, 10:19 PM

I just hope they used "California Dreaming" as the soundtrack for the confession.

sparkysugarsdad · 04-10-2011, 11:00 PM

Jason has also sent a message to his other sister, Melissa Fletcher. This is huge. I imagine the father is crapping bricks at this very moment... .

BASSENCO · 04-11-2011, 03:14 AM

He still needs to be out of church office, at least until his repentance has been validated by his life, and he has lived down the shame of his wrongdoing. This is a great first step, but repentance is more than just words, even though it begins with words.

NJC · 04-11-2011, 05:02 AM

I'm still in a fundy church and all I've been hearing the last few days is "I doubt a pastor would lie" and "how awful that those ladies twisted the truth to put fundamentalists in a bad light." I'm so glad one of those fundy pastors and abusers finally had the guts to confess.

captain_solo · 04-11-2011, 07:48 AM

(04-10-2011 07:41 PM)Darrell Wrote: I expect the folks at Sharper Iron to start singing the "forgive and forget chorus" in 3...2...1...

Nope, the silence over there is still deafening. Or perhaps they are still consulting with the higher ups to make sure everyone is singing the same (traditional hymn) tune.

They have become all about providing nuggets of gossip while eliminating any open discussion of such things. "just the facts ma'am" and now, Sharper Iron's chickens...have come home to roost! It will be interesting to see if they try to distance themselves from their founder...

captain_solo · 04-11-2011, 07:50 AM

(04-10-2011 08:57 PM)Smith Wrote:
(04-10-2011 06:52 PM)stuckbetween Wrote: Many of you probably know this already as it has been posted on Facebook for a few hours, but for those of you who haven't heard: Today Jason Janz, Jocelyn Zichterman's abuser and biological brother, confessed to the church that he pastors that he did indeed molest her. That's all I know at the moment, but I'm sure more details will be available in the next few days.
Thankful, sad, prayerful.

and biological brother...

"All you need is love! (Everybody!) All you need is love!...All you need is love, love...Love is all you need! He will be forgiven and all will be forgotten and Jocelyn will be accused eating sour grapes.

Well, everyone knows she is bitter... Rolleyes

and that excuses any felonies perpetrated against her.

elfdream · 04-11-2011, 08:07 AM

I will probably be telling you all something you already know but....

Many have been saying they 'see' no discussions about 20/20 or Jantz on various fundamentalist sites. It is possible for administrators to make certain parts of a forum board 'private' so that that only registered members can see them. Normally this function is used so administrators and moderators can talk openly among themselves but I have been on boards where this was expanded to keep certain conversations from public view. I don't know if that is what is happening now or not. It is of course also possible that they could be communicating via pm and email.

pblawman · 04-11-2011, 09:41 AM

(04-11-2011 07:48 AM)captain_solo Wrote:
(04-10-2011 07:41 PM)Darrell Wrote: I expect the folks at Sharper Iron to start singing the "forgive and forget chorus" in 3...2...1...

Nope, the silence over there is still deafening. Or perhaps they are still consulting with the higher ups to make sure everyone is singing the same (traditional hymn) tune.

They have become all about providing nuggets of gossip while eliminating any open discussion of such things. "just the facts ma'am" and now, Sharper Iron's chickens...have come home to roost! It will be interesting to see if they try to distance themselves from their founder...

The silence is deafening. I hope it is because they are trying to craft an articulate/humble response. If they ignore it altogether the hypocrisy will be glaring. They don't hesitate to post negative items about people on the outside.