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Paid or Received
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04-05-2011, 08:55 PM
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Paid or Received
Something that irks me, even though I still say it(I imagine this will be a short thread) is when people say "Jesus paid for all our sins". No he didn't. He received the wages, he didn't pay them. God paid them. The wages were death and the wrath of God. Jesus didn't pay them. He received them. It's semantics I know, but saying "Jesus paid the wages of sin" is basically saying "Jesus paid death". How much did he pay him? But by saying "Jesus received the wages of sin" the question becomes - what were the wages - Death!
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; - Titus 2:11-12 |
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04-05-2011, 08:58 PM
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RE: Paid or Received
What about "Jesus paid the price for our sins"? Sin is costly; the cost is death. We could have paid it, but He paid it instead.
"Do not look so sad. We shall meet soon again.” “Please, Aslan,” said Lucy, “what do you call soon?” “I call all times soon,” said Aslan. |
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04-05-2011, 09:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-05-2011 09:02 PM by exIFB.)
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RE: Paid or Received
True. I knew someone would come up with a decent rebuttal
Thread over ![]() well.. it's semantics. The cost isn't death. The wages are. The cost is sin. You sin, you earn wages. I know what most people mean though when they say it. I'm just looking for an argument
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; - Titus 2:11-12 |
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04-05-2011, 09:09 PM
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RE: Paid or Received
I know that I might say, "I stayed up too late reading books last night, and I really paid for it this morning." By "paid", I really do mean "received punishment" or "took the consequences", (in my case, a headache and feeling groggy and grumpy).
I do agree that saying, "He PAID the wages of sin" doesn't actually make sense. As you pointed out, He RECEIVED the wages. I think the issue might be with the word "wages" rather than with "paid." "Do not look so sad. We shall meet soon again.” “Please, Aslan,” said Lucy, “what do you call soon?” “I call all times soon,” said Aslan. |
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04-07-2011, 07:47 AM
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RE: Paid or Received
Interesting thoughts, exIFB. Questions are always good, and I, for one, am always looking for ways to explain my faith better. Looks like I may be doing some studying.
I walk with bare, hushed feet the ground Ye tread with boldness shod;
I dare not fix with mete and bound The love and power of God. - J.G. Whittier |
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04-07-2011, 04:00 PM
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RE: Paid or Received
hey exIFB, keep it up, I enjoyed the discussion, even if it is semantics, and of course my favorite SFL celebrity had the exact right response.
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