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supernova8610 · 03-15-2011, 12:42 PM

Thanks to a discussion in another thread, I figured I should start a separate thread for the Twilight series. So, discuss anything Twilight related here! Tongue

**pastor's wife** · 03-15-2011, 01:32 PM

I read the "Twilight" series a year or two ago. I can see why adolescent girls are all ga-ga about it, but I found it annoying, cloying, and unhealthy for young girls. I like my vampires evil so someone can come along and destroy them a la Buffy.

The whole thing reeks of frustrated sexual longing. Also Bella's treatment of Jacob is abominable. And the way she sulks and mopes and pines is pathetic. Bella has no life. She has no interests or personality. I just didn't buy how she was willing to die for the people she loved at the end of book one by meeting the evil vampire at the ballet studio. She'd really showed no interest, concern, or love for anyone but Edward in the whole book. I wanted to like Bella, having been kind of lonely, quiet, and clumsy myself in high school, but evaluating her objectively, she's just not very appealling.

Beowulf · 03-15-2011, 01:39 PM

(03-15-2011 01:32 PM)pastors wife Wrote: And the way she sulks and mopes and pines is pathetic. Bella has no life. She has no interests or personality.

Apparently you've never visited Forks, WA. ;-)

I have to watch what I say, though. My wife was born just south of there.

**pastor's wife** · 03-15-2011, 01:45 PM

My daughter was just asking me if Forks was a real place.

After reading the whole series, all I remember about Bella is how much she longs for Edward and can't live without him and how clumsy she is. She doesn't seem to like music or reading or helping in nursing homes or picking up litter on the side of the road. She doesn't babysit or tutor or cross-stitch. She seems really blah. (And this from someone who is rather blah myself - but at least I'm passionate about books and music and Narnia and Jesus and SFL. Bella is passionate about . . . Edward.)

Beowulf · 03-15-2011, 01:59 PM

(03-15-2011 01:45 PM)pastors wife Wrote: My daughter was just asking me if Forks was a real place.

It is, indeed a real place on the Olympic Peninsula. It's a fantastically beautiful place, with the Hoh Rain Forest close by. It's quite remote, and there's not much to do there. However, the Twilight series has really put it on the map, so to speak.

Google Map of Forks, WA

supernova8610 · (This post was last modified: 03-15-2011 02:11 PM by supernova8610.)

(03-15-2011 01:32 PM)pastors wife Wrote: I read the "Twilight" series a year or two ago. I can see why adolescent girls are all ga-ga about it, but I found it annoying, cloying, and unhealthy for young girls. I like my vampires evil so someone can come along and destroy them a la Buffy.

The whole thing reeks of frustrated sexual longing. Also Bella's treatment of Jacob is abominable. And the way she sulks and mopes and pines is pathetic. Bella has no life. She has no interests or personality. I just didn't buy how she was willing to die for the people she loved at the end of book one by meeting the evil vampire at the ballet studio. She'd really showed no interest, concern, or love for anyone but Edward in the whole book. I wanted to like Bella, having been kind of lonely, quiet, and clumsy myself in high school, but evaluating her objectively, she's just not very appealling.

I agree- Bella doesn't seem to have much to her life outside of Edward. It's sad that he is the only thing she lives for. I hated the way she treated Jacob, toying with him the way she did after Edward left... leading him on like she did.

(Don't get me wrong... I do like the books; Twilight is my guilty pleasure)

**pastor's wife** · 03-15-2011, 09:08 PM

Here's something that completely freaked me out and made me really dislike the Cullens. I think it's at the end of the second movie (I forget), but Bella and Edward (was Alice there? I forget.) are leaving the Volturi, feeling like they barely escaped with their lives, and as they leave, a tour guide is bringing a large group of tourists through the building straight into the Volturi's lair. You know they're all going to be eaten. There are clearly a couple of children in the group. I realize that at the time Bella and Edward really couldn't do anything to stop the impending massacre, but the fact that they don't care is disgusting to me. That scene just creeped me out and disgusted me. I believe in defending innocence.

I started thinking about the Cullens, the "good guys." They don't allow vampires to kill people in Forks, but they don't ever stop vampires from killing people elsewhere. Either drinking human blood is wrong or not; how can they turn a blind eye on innocent humans being murdered in other cities? If you are in their inner circle, you're protected. If not, tough luck. This bothers me; I truly believe we must love all people and view all people as our brothers and sisters. I don't just defend my children; I defend ALL children. Give me Buffy and Angel anytime (at least in the first seasons). They destroy vampires, not say, "You can't kill in my town, but go ahead in that town over there."

**pastor's wife** · 03-15-2011, 09:14 PM

I also REALLY don't like how Stephanie Meyers made her vampires invincible. They aren't melted by the sun; they don't shrink back from the cross or garlic. They never sleep (thus cannot be sneaked up on). They incredibly fast and super strong. In addition, they usually have a special power like reading minds or seeing the future. How are humans supposed to defend themselves against that? I don't like a world in which humans have no recourse against vampires. I guess you have to hope you live near a tribe of werewolves. Otherwise you're majorly sunk.

Thus humans are completely at the mercy of the vampires or like helpless sheep, just waiting to be eaten. Yuck. Their position of godlike power over humans is repulsive to me.

(Hope I don't sound too passionate! I like discussing books.)

Don · (This post was last modified: 03-15-2011 10:17 PM by Don.)

(03-15-2011 09:14 PM)pastors wife Wrote: I also REALLY don't like how Stephanie Meyers made her vampires invincible. They aren't melted by the sun; they don't shrink back from the cross or garlic. They never sleep (thus cannot be sneaked up on). They incredibly fast and super strong. In addition, they usually have a special power like reading minds or seeing the future. How are humans supposed to defend themselves against that? I don't like a world in which humans have no recourse against vampires. I guess you have to hope you live near a tribe of werewolves. Otherwise you're majorly sunk.

Thus humans are completely at the mercy of the vampires or like helpless sheep, just waiting to be eaten. Yuck. Their position of godlike power over humans is repulsive to me.
(Hope I don't sound too passionate! I like discussing books.)

Sounds like some fundies I know...

**pastor's wife** · 03-15-2011, 10:51 PM

(03-15-2011 10:16 PM)Don Wrote:
(03-15-2011 09:14 PM)pastors wife Wrote: Their position of godlike power over humans is repulsive to me.

Sounds like some fundies I know...

Well, now that you mention it, I see the connection!