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Ricardo · 05-07-2013, 09:12 PM

(05-07-2013 08:14 AM)Trapped Pentecostal Wrote: A minor quibble here... about Hebrews in Egypt...

I did do a thread a couple of years on roughly this same topic:
http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/sh...p?tid=2070

Klasie Kraalogies · 05-08-2013, 09:52 AM

(05-07-2013 09:09 PM)Ricardo Wrote: Well Thank you!

I did the same level of research about Radiometric Dating. This was over ten years ago. At the time Dalrymple was considered the final authority on the subject. Has he been discredited? Is there any more recent and hopefully less technical book?

(Dalrymple, B. G. 1991. The age of the earth. Stanford University Press, Stanford, CA, 474 p.)

Same thing with this book: Once you REALLY understand Radiometric Dating, there is no turning back.

I haven't kept up with the literature, but Dalrymple is still an authority. Of course, we have developed new techniques, and there are more isotope systems available to us now. Which strengthens the case, actually.

**Naomi** · 05-08-2013, 11:54 AM

(05-07-2013 08:14 AM)Trapped Pentecostal Wrote: There is no evidence that there was ever a sizable group of Hebrews in Egypt, either as slaves, or otherwise. There is also zero archaeological evidence that many thousands of people migrated over a forty year period from Egypt through the desert.

I celebrated Passover with people who know there's no evidence for it historically but still appreciate the traditions and symbolism. It's nice when people find ways to be true to both the evidence and their religious traditions.

Trapped Pentecostal · 05-08-2013, 12:10 PM

(05-08-2013 11:54 AM)Naomi Wrote:
(05-07-2013 08:14 AM)Trapped Pentecostal Wrote: There is no evidence that there was ever a sizable group of Hebrews in Egypt, either as slaves, or otherwise. There is also zero archaeological evidence that many thousands of people migrated over a forty year period from Egypt through the desert.

I celebrated Passover with people who know there's no evidence for it historically but still appreciate the traditions and symbolism. It's nice when people find ways to be true to both the evidence and their religious traditions.

I can appreciate that. From what I understand, there are quite a few Jews like that.

**Naomi** · 05-09-2013, 11:13 AM

(05-08-2013 12:10 PM)Trapped Pentecostal Wrote:
(05-08-2013 11:54 AM)Naomi Wrote: I celebrated Passover with people who know there's no evidence for it historically but still appreciate the traditions and symbolism. It's nice when people find ways to be true to both the evidence and their religious traditions.

I can appreciate that. From what I understand, there are quite a few Jews like that.

Even better, they updated it to talk about the importance of homeland in the context of Israel/Palestine as a way to extend empathy to all. Very politically relevant. After seeing religion done wrong for so long, it's nice to see ways it can be done right, like using stories to create compassion.

Klasie Kraalogies · 05-16-2013, 01:10 PM

Apparently, we are now all intolerant atheists: Or so says Ken Ham of anybody that dares to disagree with the quiz in this story. Fundy'ism pare excellance.

Trapped Pentecostal · 05-16-2013, 06:58 PM

He's probably just concerned that the bad publicity will cause some parents to stop buying his $tuff (for fear of making their kids look stupid) and disrupting his revenue $tream.

Ricardo · 05-16-2013, 08:56 PM

No need to put AiG down. For the most part I used to like those guys. Not that I agree with them, but I used to respect their more balanced approach. (Remember, for a while Dr. Dino was the rage in IFB churches.

AiG actually came out against Dr. Dino early on.

I'm sorry to read that article about the criticisms to that quiz. Because they are clearly circling the wagons. Anyone who does not agree with them is called an Atheist or a Secularist. They did not use to be that way.

Recovering · 05-16-2013, 08:59 PM

(05-16-2013 01:10 PM)Klasie Kraalogies Wrote: Apparently, we are now all intolerant atheists: Or so says Ken Ham of anybody that dares to disagree with the quiz in this story. Fundy'ism pare excellance.

I'm fine with being called an intolerant atheist by someone like him.

**Tiarali** · Yesterday, 06:19 PM

Ken Ham isn't a nice man. He caused major problems for CMI in Australia, and only speaks for a small branch (American) of AiG.