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I'm not telling · (This post was last modified: 03-03-2011 10:47 PM by I'm not telling.)

One of the churches we went to for nearly FIVE long miserable mind numbing gut wrenching...you get the idea...years, basically all the pastor ever spoke about was soul winning. He was addicted to it and expected the rest of us to be. Well, most of the sheeple were. He would preach Sun morning, evening, and Wednesday night, always for at least 1 1/2 hours all about the importance of soul winning. It. drove. me. CRAZY! My husband thought it was great because he is a sheeple himself. I absolutely hated that church. Despite the fact that nearly 200+ members went out soulwinning faithfully every Thursday night (because it was a requirement to do anything in the church, including cleaning or nursery), only one person was added to the church out of all the "converts" in the five years we attended. UGH UGH UGH UGH UGH! Sooo glad to be out of that place!

I also dreaded when I had to hear Darrell Champlain. I heard him multiple times thru the years at nearly every fundy church I attended. The first time I ever heard him was at my Fundy U where he preached so long, he went right thru lunch and into the class period after lunch ended. They had to cancel all the afternoon classes because of this. The first time I heard him, he was interesting, but most times I heard him after that, he always told the same stories. I finally decided he was pretty full of himself. I think he loved hearing himself speak. And the fact he was also sooooo longwinded made me plan headaches on the calendar for the dates I knew he would be the speaker! Big Grin

Sorry if you liked him. He really is NOT my cup of tea. Thankfully, he is too good for my fundy lite church so I doubt I'll ever listen to him again...at least not on purpose!

I'm not telling · (This post was last modified: 03-03-2011 10:46 PM by I'm not telling.)

Oh, just thought of another least favorite sermon. The one where the preacher decides we need to hear in GRAPHIC details, exactly what Christ went thru during his beatings/on the cross. When I was at Fundy U we had a preacher do this right before lunchtime and people were dropping like flies. Iwasthisclose to fainting myself. Why do they do that? I figure, if the bible does not get that graphic, why does the preacher need to? Confused

Historian · (This post was last modified: 03-03-2011 11:06 PM by Historian.)

(03-03-2011 10:35 PM)Im not telling Wrote: Oh, just thought of another least favorite sermon. The one where the preacher decides we need to hear in GRAPHIC details, exactly what Christ went thru during his beatings/on the cross. When I was at Fundy U we had a preacher do this right before lunchtime and people were dropping like flies. Iwasthisclose to fainting myself. Why do they do that? I figure, if the bible does not get that graphic, why does the preacher need to?

I really think that it's because they don't have much, if any, spiritual life. They don't understand anything, and are addicted to the physical. They don't understand that the worst sins are in the heart, not in the actions, and that sin resides in the heart. So they think they can control it by controlling the outside. They don't understand that the horror of hell is the permanent separation from God, so they have to spend an hour describing the physical torment of hell, making up stuff right and left. They don't understand that Christ's physical sufferings were not the great thing–it was the outpouring of all the perfect wrath of an infinite and just God on sin. Many martyrs since have actually suffered physically far more then Jesus did, but none of them suffered as guilty, suffered as cut off from God, suffered the wrath of God. They don't understand this, so fundies have to concentrate on Christ's physical sufferings and make them seem as large as possible.

Don · 03-04-2011, 12:15 AM

Any that start with:
"Beloved, turn in your Blessed 1611 King James Bibles to The book of 1st Samuel chapter 24. Tonight we are going to be looking at, 'Cuttin' the Robe while cutting the Cheese' How we are to reverence the Man of God, the Lord's Anointed."

pblawman · 03-04-2011, 07:36 AM

(03-03-2011 09:54 PM)exIFB Wrote: the "Shocking Youth Message". Or "Hells Best Kept Secret". All of those are wildly popular and full of the worst kind of works sanctification. I dislike them because of their negative influence on Christianity. Unbelievers have this idea that Christianity is about rules and you aren't allowed to have fun, and for the longest time, it was just a stereotype to me. I knew it wasn't about rules and laws and not doing this etc. But then those sermons and preachers came along (in particular the last two) and they have turned what was a negative stereotype into something that every Christian should aspire to be - judgmental, rules based, and pious.

I wouldn't put Paul Washer in the IFB camp.

Kevin · 03-04-2011, 07:44 AM

(03-04-2011 07:36 AM)pblawman Wrote:
(03-03-2011 09:54 PM)exIFB Wrote: the "Shocking Youth Message". Or "Hells Best Kept Secret". All of those are wildly popular and full of the worst kind of works sanctification. I dislike them because of their negative influence on Christianity. Unbelievers have this idea that Christianity is about rules and you aren't allowed to have fun, and for the longest time, it was just a stereotype to me. I knew it wasn't about rules and laws and not doing this etc. But then those sermons and preachers came along (in particular the last two) and they have turned what was a negative stereotype into something that every Christian should aspire to be - judgmental, rules based, and pious.

I wouldn't put Paul Washer in the IFB camp.

Yeah, but my fundar definitely goes off whenever I hear him speak. Same with Driscoll and others.

**pastor's wife** · 03-04-2011, 08:28 AM

(03-03-2011 11:04 PM)Historian Wrote: They don't understand that Christ's physical sufferings were not the great thing–it was the outpouring of all the perfect wrath of an infinite and just God on sin. Many martyrs since have actually suffered physically far more then Jesus did, but none of them suffered as guilty, suffered as cut off from God, suffered the wrath of God. They don't understand this, so fundies have to concentrate on Christ's physical sufferings and make them seem as large as possible.

I've thought this myself: realizing that as excrutiating as death on the cross had to be, other people have suffered horrible torture that has lasted longer. So I struggled with messages that said Christ suffered more than any man, until I realized that it was the inner suffering of bearing the punishment for all sin and having God turn away from Him.

Josh · 03-04-2011, 08:49 AM

The KJVO sermons were bad enough, but the worst sermon I've heard was one where the preacher quoted 1 Samuel 17:20*, and launched into a sermon series (yes, he followed the first sermon with at least one more) about how you should be a cheerleader for your preacher. That church had always been fairly reserved with the "amens" and "preach it brothers," and I guess he just wanted more. That, and he's an egotistical dictator, and those sermons were one of his techniques for manipulating the congregation into following him without question.

* And David rose up early in the morning, and left the sheep with a keeper, and took, and went, as Jesse had commanded him; and he came to the trench, as the host was going forth to the fight, and shouted for the battle.

briceman · 03-04-2011, 10:54 AM

(03-04-2011 07:36 AM)pblawman Wrote:
(03-03-2011 09:54 PM)exIFB Wrote: the "Shocking Youth Message". Or "Hells Best Kept Secret". All of those are wildly popular and full of the worst kind of works sanctification. I dislike them because of their negative influence on Christianity. Unbelievers have this idea that Christianity is about rules and you aren't allowed to have fun, and for the longest time, it was just a stereotype to me. I knew it wasn't about rules and laws and not doing this etc. But then those sermons and preachers came along (in particular the last two) and they have turned what was a negative stereotype into something that every Christian should aspire to be - judgmental, rules based, and pious.

I wouldn't put Paul Washer in the IFB camp.

An excerpt from his Youth sermon.

"They think, well, I’m the same as most in my youth group. I watch things I shouldn’t watch on television and laugh about the very things that God hates. I wear clothing that is sensual. I talk like the world. I walk like the world. I love the music of the world."

Sounds a bit fundy to me Wink

12StepExFundy · 03-04-2011, 11:53 AM

(03-04-2011 10:54 AM)briceman Wrote:
(03-04-2011 07:36 AM)pblawman Wrote: I wouldn't put Paul Washer in the IFB camp.

An excerpt from his Youth sermon.

"They think, well, I’m the same as most in my youth group. I watch things I shouldn’t watch on television and laugh about the very things that God hates. I wear clothing that is sensual. I talk like the world. I walk like the world. I love the music of the world."

Sounds a bit fundy to me

The only thing that I would even remotely agree sounds fundy about that one lifted statement is the music. The message in it's entirety did not lead me the same conclusion.