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Smith · (This post was last modified: 04-11-2011 07:08 AM by Smith.)

(04-10-2011 10:17 PM)Joseph Wrote: The hormones that the human body produces and dumps during a sexual climax are certifiably the most addicting substances known to man. Regardless of almost limitless variety in the methods and habits a person forms in the ways they achieve these climaxing hormones, the underlying addiction to these hormones is the same. It's how a person chooses to either follow God's desires for self control with these hormones or not that makes all the difference.

The idea that God whimsically approves of certain sexual mores(hetero but not homo) is a straw man. A man raping a girl, a man looking at women in pornography, a father molesting his daughter, a husband cheating on his wife, a man marrying multiple women, and even a husband who selfishly gratifies himself with his wife's body is all considered heterosexual. Sorry, to be so clear on all this, but God does not condone "heterosexuality." Straw burns easily. It just did.

Also, as is often posted on here with incredible regularity and frankness, many Christians are quick to judge certain sins over their own and have no love. Regardless of how insensitive anyone has ever been or ever will be, none of that changes what the Bible says is acceptable to God. The extreme attention put on what people have done and said instead of what God has done and says is revealing of a person's theology. While everyone is free to either accept or reject what God says, basing your opinion of what God thinks on how people have acted is not smart. But it is your choice if you do so. Lots of people do it all the time.

Everyone has the right to believe what they want about homosexuality and everything else for that matter. However, no one has the right to define what a wonderful Christian is except for God. And that is not really what is being debated here. Scripture is very clear, and for lots of reasons people choose everyday to either accept it and live accordingly, or they reject it in part or in whole and live according to their own thoughts and choices. It is dishonest to then state what you think a good Christian is or isn't. Your perspective, my perspective, and everyone's perspective is irrelevant compared to God's perspective. As stated before, feel free to tout your own perspective though because that is your right. It shows your theology and it's not going to hold water with God. God is not going to accept the arguments that because people were hateful and judgmental it is therefore OK to reject some of His truth and follow your own thoughts.

Of course God delights in diversity. But using diversity to mean sexual deviance outside of what God approves is twisting God's original creation of diversity with a carefully designed play on words that justifies sin. Does God tolerate sin? He killed His own Son because he hates sin, not because he tolerates it. It was never Jesus' intention to condone sin. He lived forgiveness and true justice, but never tolerance of sin.

I can't ever recall making a choice to want sinful sexual intercourse either. Who does? Why does that make a difference whether or not we chose our particular flavor of desire for selfish sexual satisfaction? It doesn't. Every anatomically correct human will be tempted to want sexual satisfaction at any cost. The direction that sexual temptation points is irrelevant. God's view of sex doesn't provide satisfaction for every natural sexual whim a person may experience. God's view of everything doesn't match up with what anyone naturally wants either. Why sexual orientation is thought to be a valid reason to question God's view of things I will never know. The choices you make to satisfy your natural inclination to have sex makes all the difference in the world. Nothing in human nature and desire naturally exists in a pure and God pleasing state in this fallen world. That's another straw man.

And the age old argument that homosexuals should be equal in everything is so full of holes it's hard to know where to start. I wouldn't knowingly let a porn addict babysit kids or be alone around young girls. If child porn or marriage to animals were to ever become legal, it wouldn't change the fact that these lifestyle choices have results that are not all equally wonderful and normal. The choices we make and the labels attached to those choices have meaning. When a person openly says they are gay, it means something about their choices and how they view life. They have at some point made their own rules for how they think life works. I don't think all homosexuals are necessarily and immediately dangerous, but their choices and views of certain things are deeply flawed. Those flaws are not harmless even though I am not paranoid about them. I agree that legislating righteousness is pretty worthless, but it doesn't mean I believe all people's choices are equally valid and harmless. Sin is harmful, period. My sin is harmful, your sin is harmful, and people need to be loved and told what God thinks of sin. Anything less isn't right.

Joseph,
Your particular concept of straw needs to be of better quality. God doesn't whimsically approve anything...the shopping list you provided maybe hetero in it's action but its hardly on God's "approved list" relative to a man or woman's behavior.

No, people can not legislate morality anymore that they can legislate sock color; however, just because homosexuality exitsts doesn't mean we must accomodate it as Christians. The fact remains, why don't you give it a try, go to the nearest gay pride parade in May (or when ever they hold them) and lovingly tell a group of gay men in drag about what God thinks of their sin and see what kind of reception you receive. The comparison of hetero sin vs homo sin and one is just as bad as the other is nonsense and is rather cowardly because by nature, homosexuality is violently opposed to Godliness. Look at the facts. We have several gays/lesbians here at work who profess to "love god" but the fact is, it is an idol they have errected in their minds that's all bark and no bite and in the end, will just ignore what He has legislated in His Word. If you notice, the pro-homosexual christian lobby doesn't deal with Scripture, they deal with the worst of heterosexual sins by deviants themselves and when Scripture is addressed, it's twisted beyond recognition. Much hoopla is made over "loving relationships"...on an average basis, how many sexual partners does a gay man have in a lifetime? A lesbian? Now, you can make much ado over 50%+ of marriages/Christian marriages going down the toilet...does that speak ill of God or the people?

You know, you spent the first half of your post flaming those against homosexuality and spent the last half setting up a "reasonable" answer to your own DYI-Strawman. In the Southern venacular: "that dawg don't hunt"....I've seen that "loving lifestyle" destroy those in my family, all the while they claim god was "blessing them". Nonsense poopypants.

Nota Bene: Where does it say in the bible that God delights in diversity? Didn't God instruct Israel to wipe out the Canaanites? You couldn't get much more "diverse" than those guys.