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**LMcC** · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2011 08:21 PM by LMcC.)

(02-22-2011 08:04 PM)greg Wrote: If I could be of any help to anyone, regarding this issue of domestic violence, please feel free to contact me. I will not judge you, nor try to put you into some dreamed-up category of victimology. I will give up to date information, and try to make you aware of resoures availabe to you. The absolute main thing is to get you into a safe situation.

Considering what you've done to Faith, to the Calvinists, to anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with you, you think you're going to come off as believable and compassionate now?

(Wait, why bother with him anymore? Save the fingers and use them for something that matters, McC. Get to it.)

Seriously, for those who need help, there are resources available. Apologies for not ignoring the trolling and posting these sooner.

(Disclaimer: not responsible for content of sites... you know the drill.)

Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network: http://www.rainn.org/
(with a special section for male survivors)
National Domestic Violence Hotline: http://www.thehotline.org/
Peace and Safety in the Christian Home: http://www.peaceandsafety.com/
(list of state domestic violence coalitions at http://www.peaceandsafety.com/for-the-abused)
Battered Men: http://www.batteredmen.com/

Lizzy F. · 02-22-2011, 08:28 PM

Quote:. Several of us Christian school graduates participated in and eventually even moderated "Survivors" forums. In these private forums, people opened up about their personal horrors of domestic violence, sexual abuse, and other related things. When the Christian BBSes began, we immediately requested and got Survivors forums on them. We were shocked, once we got away from the secular BBSes, how many Christians were coming forward with their own accounts of abuse and how horribly the church had treated them afterwards.

I'm a member of a "survivors" forum. It's the only place where I've ever felt safe talking about the abuse I received growing up. So here's some cyber appreciation hugs because without moderators like you there wouldn't be safe/anonymous (and TROLL-FREE) places for people like me.

(((Hugs)))

**diachenko** · 02-23-2011, 01:40 AM

(02-22-2011 08:04 PM)greg Wrote: If I could be of any help to anyone, regarding this issue of domestic violence, please feel free to contact me. I will not judge you, nor try to put you into some dreamed-up category of victimology. I will give up to date information, and try to make you aware of resoures availabe to you. The absolute main thing is to get you into a safe situation.

Considering your tone on this thread alone, not to mention several others here and on the blog, why would anyone in their right mind turn to you for help with anything? You've already judged lots of people here and slung a lot of nasty names around. It takes a lot of hubris to do that and then turn around and say, "But hey, I'm here to help."

greg · 02-23-2011, 08:50 AM

I am really quite willing for this to be done, however, I would like to say that I don't think I have ever experienced this much intolerance from anyone, and this from a site that is supposed to be open and accepting of different opinions. Of course, that being said, it really is only a handful, and not a true representation of the community here at SFL.

**LMcC** · (This post was last modified: 02-23-2011 09:11 AM by LMcC.)

(02-23-2011 08:50 AM)greg Wrote: I am really quite willing for this to be done, however, I would like to say that I don't think I have ever experienced this much intolerance from anyone, and this from a site that is supposed to be open and accepting of different opinions. Of course, that being said, it really is only a handful, and not a true representation of the community here at SFL.

It isn't intolerance you're experiencing, at least not of your views. If you weren't shooting your mouth off and assuming the worst about Naomi and me, you'd realize we actually have a lot of common ground on the topic. I don't like dealing with people who stay in the victim attitude either, for example, but you've just naturally assumed I did. You do know what "assume" means, right? It's making an... wait, minors may be reading. You've ended up turning off people who might well have agreed with you, and people who could have benefited from whatever legitimate views you had aren't so willing to give you a fair shake. So intolerance of views isn't it.

Intolerance of your attitude is what's going on. Period. You've been nothing but hateful to some of us, always assuming the worst when it wasn't called for, turning off even people who might have agreed with you, accusing people of not knowing Scripture when there's only a difference of opinion. IOW, you're acting like the very Fundamentalists you claim you've left. If you're really a Fundy, admit it and we'll all deal. If you're not, start acting like a decent human being and leave Fundy hateful behavior in Fundyland. This business of saying you're not Fundy but acting like one anyway does not fly. Quit acting persecuted and get the clue. Your behavior is your problem, not your views.

(Heh, not like he'll read it anyway, He'll just quote it all and be his usual self.)

BTW, Diachenko, Thank you! Big Grin

greg · 02-23-2011, 09:31 AM

(02-23-2011 09:10 AM)LMcC Wrote:
(02-23-2011 08:50 AM)greg Wrote: I am really quite willing for this to be done, however, I would like to say that I don't think I have ever experienced this much intolerance from anyone, and this from a site that is supposed to be open and accepting of different opinions. Of course, that being said, it really is only a handful, and not a true representation of the community here at SFL.

It isn't intolerance you're experiencing, at least not of your views. If you weren't shooting your mouth off and assuming the worst about Naomi and me, you'd realize we actually have a lot of common ground on the topic. I don't like dealing with people who stay in the victim attitude either, for example, but you've just naturally assumed I did. You do know what "assume" means, right? It's making an... wait, minors may be reading. You've ended up turning off people who might well have agreed with you, and people who could have benefited from whatever legitimate views you had aren't so willing to give you a fair shake. So intolerance of views isn't it.

Intolerance of your attitude is what's going on. Period. You've been nothing but hateful to some of us, always assuming the worst when it wasn't called for, turning off even people who might have agreed with you, accusing people of not knowing Scripture when there's only a difference of opinion. IOW, you're acting like the very Fundamentalists you claim you've left. If you're really a Fundy, admit it and we'll all deal. If you're not, start acting like a decent human being and leave Fundy hateful behavior in Fundyland. This business of saying you're not Fundy but acting like one anyway does not fly. Quit acting persecuted and get the clue. Your behavior is your problem, not your views.

(Heh, not like he'll read it anyway, He'll just quote it all and be his usual self.)

BTW, Diachenko, Thank you!

I'm delighted that you aren't not judgemental like those fundies are.

**LMcC** · 02-23-2011, 12:19 PM

(02-23-2011 09:31 AM)greg Wrote: I'm delighted that you aren't not judgemental like those fundies are.

Actually, if you want to call it judgmental, I'm OK with that. (BTW, spelled it wrong. Big Grin

Might as well have fun with it.)Truth be told, you're way better at it than I am. I was never quite so good at it even in Fundyland. You've got that special je ne sais quoi going...

The fact is, all of us who have called you out on your hateful behavior are doing you a huge favor. Maybe until recently you haven't known you come off as a Fundy and don't want to be like that. In that case, we're trying to help you understand that the communication skills need serious work.

But then, if you're really a Fundy who gets kicks on being... well, yourself, then you'll go cry persecution and keep on not understanding that your behavior is the turn-off and not your ideas.

greg · 02-23-2011, 01:45 PM

(02-23-2011 12:19 PM)LMcC Wrote:
(02-23-2011 09:31 AM)greg Wrote: I'm delighted that you aren't not judgemental like those fundies are.

Actually, if you want to call it judgmental, I'm OK with that. (BTW, spelled it wrong. Might as well have fun with it.)Truth be told, you're way better at it than I am. I was never quite so good at it even in Fundyland. You've got that special je ne sais quoi going...

The fact is, all of us who have called you out on your hateful behavior are doing you a huge favor. Maybe until recently you haven't known you come off as a Fundy and don't want to be like that. In that case, we're trying to help you understand that the communication skills need serious work.

But then, if you're really a Fundy who gets kicks on being... well, yourself, then you'll go cry persecution and keep on not understanding that your behavior is the turn-off and not your ideas.

Thank you so much for your kind and christian reprimand, I am really learning alot here about love, acceptance, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, humility, communication skills, speaking of which, I hope I have spelled everything correctly.

**LMcC** · 02-23-2011, 01:58 PM

(02-23-2011 01:45 PM)greg Wrote: Thank you so much for your kind and christian reprimand, I am really learning alot here about love, acceptance, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, humility, communication skills, speaking of which, I hope I have spelled everything correctly.

I was only having fun with the spelling thing. After all the garbage, someone had to lighten it up. Besides, at least you actually read something. And quite honestly, I am trying to be kind, or at least as kind as I can be to someone who has been so dismissive and has made some very nasty and false assumptions about me and about people who have become my friends through this place. Let's face it, you're a piece of work. NTTAWTT because many of us have been and have been honest enough to deal with it. Seriously, people like Diachenko and others who have called you out are your best friends right now and you don't even know it.

When you're ready to drop the sarcasm and nastiness, and actually desire to have two-way communication instead of try to dictate the way all of us should live, I think you'll be surprised how much better of a reception you'll receive once people realize you're sincere about really communicating and not just beating people over the heads with your "I'm right and you have nothing of value to contribute" attitude.