Domestic Violence discussion (split from On being pro-life)

[greg]

(02-19-2011 03:21 PM)Naomi Wrote:  I should point out that I had not yet specifically addressed police officers, and there is a reason. It's fairly complicated. First, most police departments are not specifically trained on domestic abuse cases. If dealing with those cases takes special skills, it would make sense that police who have not been trained might not be seeing the whole picture (like with child abuse cases - things are not always as they seem, because abusers skew the story). Second, it is not the job of the police to determine who is actually abusive. The police respond to calls, listen, take statements, collect evidence - and pass it on to the courts. It is the job of the judicial system to determine guilt.

Greg, quit making personal attacks on me. It is offensive to call anyone a "feminazi."

No, it is never OK for anyone to hit another person. Self-defense is OK, but even the police know that you cannot respond with unequal force to a personal attack or the original "defender" can be charged with assault/battery. The situations you've described, Greg, sound like classic examples of domestic abuse where it's quite possible the male is actually the abuser. Usually, the abuser is quite calm, and the victim seems disturbed. One could ask what the husband was doing before the wife used a knife? In some cases, that might change your assessment of the situation.

Once again, I've never said adult men are never abused by adult women. People do not seem to be reading very carefully. I'm sorry you were assaulted by women (and men) while on the job as a police officer, Greg. Please remember that domestic abuse (especially sustained abuse) is not the same as assaulting a cop.

Quote:When women decide to give up on the relationship for what ever the reason, they have provoked men to hit them.

Oh, so it's their fault, is it? Silly women, forcing men to hit them. Shouldn't have upset their fragile husbands. We all know they can't control themselves. That's the wife's job, amirite? /sarcasm. Actually, feminists expect better of men. Feminists think men are mature, capable human beings, who are not unable to control their violence/lust, and who are great caretakers and can excel at domestic work. I believe men can take responsibility for themselves, and I expect them to.

I'm shocked you, as a police officer, would believe it's OK for a man to hit a woman destroying his property. If she keys his Corvette, charge her for destroying it and get the car fixed. A man who chooses to control his impulses would never hit his partner. I'm also shocked that you believe it's OK for a man to give a woman a black eye for slapping him. A woman should never slap a man (physical violence isn't OK!), but a man who chooses to control his impulses would never punch her in the face for that. Taking action to defend himself from further harm is almost never going to require such force. These statements are called victim-blaming.

I will assume none of the other men arguing that women frequently abuse men agree with these statements by Greg unless informed otherwise.

You're right, feminazi was abit much, I apologize