Which Ten Commandments

[Zadig]

There you go again.

[Zadig]

So can anyone explain why the real Ten Commandments, the ones in Exodus 34, aren't the ones quoted most often? Why is there always a default to the ones in Exodus 20, the ones that were destroyed by Moses?

[myotch]

Having not studied in detail the Exodus 34 passage, I've assumed the instructions were part of the covenant but not the actual 10 commandments. In some quick reading, I found an explanation that the Ex 34 passage refers to a ritual part of the covenant - and this seems to gel with what Judeo-Christianity generally agree on in regards to the Covenant. There's no real contradiction between the law in Exodus 34 and the other passages of the law.

You're probably looking for a much narrower explanation. Likely you aren't going to get it here. You might want to pose the question to a Rabbi.

[Zadig]

(06-27-2012 10:44 AM)myotch Wrote:  Having not studied in detail the Exodus 34 passage, I've assumed the instructions were part of the covenant but not the actual 10 commandments.

It says they are, "Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."(Even though they aren't the same that were on the original tablets, which were never referred to as the Ten Commandments.)

Quote:You're probably looking for a much narrower explanation. Likely you aren't going to get it here. You might want to pose the question to a Rabbi.

Rabbi's aren't usually the ones posting Exodus 20 in public places.

[myotch]

(06-27-2012 11:03 AM)Zadig Wrote:  It says they are, "Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."(Even though they aren't the same that were on the original tablets, which were never referred to as the Ten Commandments.)

Hmm. Interesting that your parenthetical sarcasm totally ignores Exodus 34:1. Perhaps you need to reread the whole chapter, see if it makes any more sense.

From my reading, God calls for new blank tablets for God to write on, verbally tells Moses more about the covenant and what's expected, and delivers newly written "version 1.0" 10 commandments to Moses.

Quote:Rabbi's aren't usually the ones posting Exodus 20 in public places.

They do, however, discuss the law extensively, study it intensively. I don't see how their not posting it publicly makes them any less experts. Judeo-Christianity pretty much agrees on the wording of the 10 Commandments, though with slight variations in numbering/wording.

[Zadig]

(06-27-2012 11:36 AM)myotch Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 11:03 AM)Zadig Wrote:  It says they are, "Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."(Even though they aren't the same that were on the original tablets, which were never referred to as the Ten Commandments.)

Hmm. Interesting that your parenthetical sarcasm totally ignores Exodus 34:1. Perhaps you need to reread the whole chapter, see if it makes any more sense.

I wasn't being sarcastic. That would imply I meant the opposite of what I said. In Exodus 20 they are never referred to as the Ten Commandments. Exodus 34:1 says, "Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke."

Then you see it's not the ones listed in Exodus 20 that everyone refers to as the Ten Commandments. It's different. Logically, assuming there are no contradictions in the Bible, that would mean that the ones listed in Exodus 20 aren't the real Ten Commandments. These are.

Quote:They do, however, discuss the law extensively, study it intensively. I don't see how their not posting it publicly makes them any less experts.

When I see a Rabbi referring to Exodus 20 as the Ten Commandments, then I'll ask him. Right now I'm speaking to those of you who aren't rabbis who use Exodus 20 as your basis for the Ten Commandments.

[NotUnderLaw]

The answer is none of them. Since the law, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, yet brought nothing but condemnation, how much more glorious is the ministration of Christ, that brings life.

The ten are old hat. Stick them in the courtrooms. Keep them out of the churches and classrooms.

[Zadig]

Praise God.

[Bob M]

*Belch*