calvinism & the ESV

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(06-12-2012 02:22 PM)paul Wrote:  I'm guessing most people know this one, but, just because one is Complimentarian does not mean one is Patriarchal. And just because a wife voluntarily defers to her husband doesn't make one Complimentarian.

Rachel Held Evan's just last week quoted some main Complementarian leaders who admitted that Complementarianism is the same as patriarchy. The leaders themselves are admitting it. At any rate, to be Complementarian one does have to believe in male hierarchy, so I guess you make it sound as pretty as you like but when brought down to the lowest common denominator it's belief in male hierarchy. Why would a wife "voluntarily" defer to her husband if she wasn't Complementarian? I know that an egalitarian or feminist wife wouldn't do that, not as a habit all the time just because he's the man, because it's against the very beliefs of egalitarianism and feminism.

I'm really tired of Complementarians trying to pretend they don't believe in male hierarchy, even after they've made comments like "but I ALLOW my wife to work" (you don't have to allow her to work, she's an adult and can do what she wants). Or they say "I love my wife and let her use her gifts". She can use her gifts whether you "let" her or not. All that shows you believe that you are the top dog. Or "I listen to my wife but if we cannot agree, I make the final decision". That is a belief in hierarchy too. It really gets old the amount of dodging Complementarians do to try to make their beliefs in male hierarchy more palatable when deep down, it's all the same old crap.