Question for Catholics

[Scorpio]

(05-19-2012 10:16 AM)greg Wrote:  I usually leave the catholic folks alone, but I just must jump in here.

But senor...

(05-19-2012 10:16 AM)greg Wrote:  Peter was not the first Pope, or anything resembling a pope! That is simply ridiculous, this is tradition at its absolute worst, there is nothing historical or biblical to support such a claim.

But senor..

(05-19-2012 10:16 AM)greg Wrote:  There is nothing in history to demonstrate any "succession" of "leaders" in the catholic church or any other church. The bible, the final authority in such matters, specifically condemns any sort of these practices or traditions.

But senor....

(05-19-2012 10:16 AM)greg Wrote:  In fact from baby baptism, last rites, transubstantiation, Mariolatry, repetitive prayers, prayers for the dead, worship of relics/cross, doctrine of purgatory, celibacy of the priesthood, the Rosary, infallibility of the church, Mary proclaimed Mother of the church................none of this can be substantiated by the bible "the final authority" and in fact goes directly against the bible.

But senor

(05-19-2012 10:16 AM)greg Wrote:  I really hate to say it but there is more truth taught about the "church" by Jack Schapp than what is taught in the catholic church.

Seriously greg? I was really enjoying this thread and then you have to come in and throw around your ignorant and uninformed opinions.

[Persnickety Polecat]

Quote:Vain repetition.

There's vain repetition on this thread alright, Senor.

[elizabethn]

(05-20-2012 12:06 AM)redbeardiam Wrote:  [quote='greg' pid='95082' dateline='1337475481']


Greg signing out, probably won't be back, pls study the scriptures to see what the Lord has to say about your "religion."

PLEASE LET IT BE TRUE!!!!! Let him keep his word and STAY GONE!!

(Unfortunately, I have no confidence in any of his words, so it's probably too much to hope for.)

[RobMille]

I for one wish greg would stick around and learn to be kind & gracious. If the latter isn't possible (certainly has shown much indication of being possible), then absence would be appreciated.

[Ricardo]

(05-16-2012 05:48 AM)laurat99 Wrote:  … how do you deal with the Catholic Church's "Top Down" approach? Many IBF churches glory in their autonomy, i.e. "we make decisions regarding our local church; we don't need some man in a dress from Rome telling us what to do."

Laurat99,

What I said about the problems with bible versions is the same with churches.

“Autonomy” in the IFB church is a crock. Yes, the MoG makes decisions about “his” local church, and about “his” parishioners. And he makes up all kind of rules as he sees fit.

But by the time he has chosen a specific bible version, the jig is up! He may think he controls the message, BUT someone already had a hand controlling what went into the version he chose. Someone already wrote the Romans Road. Then all those MoGs start sharing with each other, like at the Sword of the Lord conferences.

(05-16-2012 05:48 AM)laurat99 Wrote:  Having that independence of thought is hard to give up once you've had it.

That is just the thing. NO, you have not had independence of thought.

That independence of thought is precisely what some of us are finally trying to exercise here in this Forum, and we are getting flamed in the process; by others, also in the process of learning REAL autonomy.

Independence of thought? Try asking in your IFB church what is the difference between God the Father and God the Holy Ghost? Ask about the last thirteen verses of Mark. Actually, you don’t even have to get technical at all. Ask him for biblical backing for whatever his latest rule/edict.

Your MoG will show you autonomy of thought by shutting you up. And shunning you. And embarrassing you, if not outright humiliating you publicly.

Yes, those of us who survived that type of “autonomy” do have real issues with accepting ANY authority over us, be it bishops, archbishops or popes.

[laurat99]

Ricardo,
I asked the questions I asked to get an insider's perspective on the Catholic Church. Any ignorant assumptions are my own and I hope to gain insight and knowledge regarding the Catholic Church. Thank you everyone for sharing with me.