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**JimE** · 02-07-2011, 10:11 AM

"Preaching without apology" seems to be a foundational defense by verbally abusive preachers. It seems that this phrase is not in the Bible, but it's concept is derived from a selected collection of verses.

Question 1: How have you heard this phrase been used to bully others?

Jim's answer: I have seen this used by pastors as a defense for not apologizing to others and also used as a defense for not responding to any critizism.

Question 2: Does the biblical concept extend to everything said from the pulpit, or only to the Bible text?

Jim's answer: I believe that the concept only applies to the Bible text. Any additional comments and explaination by preachers is subject to cultural rules of general society.

Question 3: Has anyone heard this used as a defense for not using logic in their preaching?

Jim's answer: No.

Don · 02-07-2011, 10:29 AM

Preaching without apology is the self anointed M-O-g's carte blanche to claim spiritual authority over all those who sit under him. He takes the "under him" part very seriously. He is superior to everyone else because of his position. Whatever he says carries the same weight as though it is from God himself.
Too many preachers are preaching as if they are speaking direct revelation from God and not preaching what God has actually revealed to us in his word.

Smith · 02-07-2011, 10:41 AM

Yup, how about the phrase "Sure is gett'n quiet in here...", "I'm not gett'n a lot of 'amens' now..."

So, all I have to say is "friends do let friends be inbred"

Don · (This post was last modified: 05-29-2012 10:02 AM by Don.)

(02-07-2011 10:41 AM)Smith Wrote: Yup, how about the phrase "Sure is gett'n quiet in here...", "I'm not gett'n a lot of 'amens' now..."

So, all I have to say is "friends do let friends be inbred"

**trigger alert***
Those phrases make me want to stand up and shout, "What the Hello do you expect you dumb ice? Is that all you care about is getting some freaking Amens? You sorry Son of a Baptist, why don't you really study and actually preach from God's word instead of using your position to stroke your freaking ego!"

**easy Don, breathe... george here to help. breathe... put down the euphemisms and calm down... your blood pressure is through the roof so lets go find some constructive work to do and get away from the triggers for a while.**

Don · 02-07-2011, 12:34 PM

(02-07-2011 10:41 AM)Smith Wrote: Yup, how about the phrase "Sure is gett'n quiet in here...", "I'm not gett'n a lot of 'amens' now..."

So, all I have to say is "friends do let friends be inbred"

That's very back woods-redneck-hillbilly of you to say. Have you ever heard of Elma Turl? Tongue

That'sWhatItSays · 05-28-2012, 06:43 AM

Pastor Worley of North Carolina is a perfect example of someone who "preached without apology". I think he said something very close to that before he said he would lock up them gays in a penal colony (ok, he didn't say penal colony, but it would have been funny) and let them die out.

Preaching against homosexuality: acceptable.

Preaching a "Final Solution" to homosexuality: you should apologize.

bamabob1 · 05-28-2012, 05:40 PM

(02-07-2011 10:29 AM)Don Wrote: Preaching without apology is the self anointed M-O-g's carte blanche to claim spiritual authority over all those who sit under him. He takes the "under him" part very seriously. He is superior to everyone else because of his position. Whatever he says carries the same weight as though it is from God himself.
Too many preachers are preaching as if they are speaking direct revelation from God and not preaching what God has actually revealed to us in his word.

You are absolutely spot on with preachers thinking they are speaking from a direct revelation from God. Somehow they are thinking they are like old testament prophets who were used of God to reveal his truth. I am sure I am not the only one who has heard a preacher say that they are here to proclaim "thus saith the Lord".

To me that is blasphemy and when they say that they should be called on it.

**exOBCstudent** · 05-29-2012, 12:14 PM

(05-28-2012 05:40 PM)bamabob1 Wrote: You are absolutely spot on with preachers thinking they are speaking from a direct revelation from God. Somehow they are thinking they are like old testament prophets who were used of God to reveal his truth. I am sure I am not the only one who has heard a preacher say that they are here to proclaim "thus saith the Lord".

To me that is blasphemy and when they say that they should be called on it.

Of course. Why do you think some of them call themselves "The School of the Prophets" like the school I went to?

Oklahoma Baptist College

They think SO highly of themselves. Dodgy

dramaturge · (This post was last modified: 05-29-2012 01:06 PM by dramaturge.)

I tend to equate all versions of the phrase "preaching without apology" with "No offense, but...." and "I'm not racist, but...." It's a half-arsed disclaimer used by a preacher to "justify" saying things he knows is offensive and ugly.

**Tiarali** · (This post was last modified: 05-31-2012 07:55 AM by Tiarali.)

I'm thinking there's some circular reasoning going on with fundy pastors.

1. This verse must mean x because that is what I've always been taught it means.
2. Since this verse means x, I am allowed to say x, no matter how nasty x is, because the verse said it, so God said it, so it must be ok to say it.
3. If you don't like it that I said x, then it must mean that you are depraved, since you don't like what God said.
4. If you try to explain to me that the verse doesn't actually mean x, then see number 1 (and know that I am right and you are wrong, because of number 1).

Notice that at no point in time does logical thought ever enter into the equation.