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**myotch** · (This post was last modified: 05-03-2012 05:13 PM by myotch.)

(05-03-2012 02:28 PM)Hollandmichigan Wrote: it also happens when a segment of the population is deemed to be morally degenerate by people in authority--whether its the pastor at the local church, a teacher, a coach or whatever.

Here, I'm guessing you are particularly discussing homosexuality, as you dismiss the lack of watching for straight couple moral delinquency, and I racked my brain trying to think of another moral issue over which someone could be bullied. I guess a chronic masturbator could be.

So, this is your issue, huh. The one to plant a flag on a hill for.

Anyway, if a kid is homosexual, he could certainly fit into the criteria I laid out - perceived as weaker, different, etc.

Quote:And this is not rare, it happens in schools all across the country.

It's that pervasive and ubiquitous? I believe you, though it would be nice to see your stats on how ubiquitous it actually is.

Quote: i doubt the majority of bullying cases have anything to do at all with scripture...

Ding Ding Ding Ding! (I would have said "clang clang clang", but then you would have said "went the trolley", and then we'd spend hours trying to sing the song on a discussion board.)

Quote:...and more to do with the influence of peers and persons of authority in their lives.

I feel ya on peer influence. Having a teen in my house, I sincerely doubt the "persons of authority in their lives" spiel. It still has to do more with perceived weakness and being different.

Quote:immaturity is no excuse for bullying any more than it is for other inappropriate behaviors.

Again, I feel ya. These are teens we are talking about. Adult bodies, children's minds. For adults, bullying becomes less and less a way to handle people being different.

Quote:--your understanding of sexuality isnt quite up to 21st century standards. Being gay is not an "activity" that one chooses to engage in but is rather an immutable quality. Imagine if a person of color were talking to a white guy who proceeded to "share" scripture with him that showed blacks are inferior to whites.

Can you show me Judeo-Christian scripture that shows the alleged inferiority of blacks?

My understanding of sexuality is much more complete and current than you would know. But you are new here and haven't been a part of our other discussions, so your arrogant cattiness here is excusable. However, for the purposes of this discussion, the situation you asked about was using Scripture for the purposes of bullying. I gave two examples - one where there was clear harassment, and one where a kid was asked his opinion. In one case, the use of Scripture was abusive, the other case would not be bullying.

Quote:If your views are that backward then i think keeping them to yourself is the best option. But the chances of this scenario actually playing out in reality seem quite low to me honestly.

In my experience, people who know I am Christian tend to ask me all kinds of questions about what I think. Atheists and gays probably ask a lot more than others. I'm obliged to speak honestly. I actually prefer the questions rather than the types of automatic assumptions you've made of me so far.

Hope the dentist visit went well.

Hollandmichigan · 05-03-2012, 05:30 PM

"..Here, I'm guessing you are particularly discussing homosexuality, as you dismiss the lack of watching for straight couple moral delinquency, .."

I almost just decided to give you my frank opinion of your intelligence thus far, but decided it probably wasn't worth risking the wrath of a forumn moderator. I give up: clearly, i am speaking to someone utterly incapable of appreciating sarcasm, irony, humor, hyperbole or the use of one's own imagination.

To set the record straight: i most certainly was NOT excusing the straight couples.

Hollandmichigan · 05-03-2012, 06:02 PM

This sums things up rather nicely

http://i.imgur.com/PfwuS.jpg

**myotch** · (This post was last modified: 05-04-2012 11:57 AM by myotch.)

(05-03-2012 05:30 PM)Hollandmichigan Wrote: clearly, i am speaking to someone utterly incapable of appreciating sarcasm, irony, humor, hyperbole or the use of one's own imagination.

Right back 'atcha.

And for the record, I said you dismissed the lack of watching for straight immorality. I guess where you are from, boys can go into the girls locker room and vice-versa with impunity.

As for the pic link, don't try to paint me with that blunt little brush. Both guys are clearly in the wrong.

By all means, speak your mind. I am giving you total license here to say of me what you will, with impunity if I have anything to say about it. I am college-educated, a Marine Corps veteran, a small business owner (in the arts, no less), married 20 years this year, parent of one kid who is brilliant. Your opinion of my intelligence means very little to me, but I'm sure it will have immense entertainment value. Heck, I may even agree with some of it.

The last word is yours.

JLL · 05-22-2012, 01:48 PM

Journalism students are going to have to listen to things with which they disagree every day of their lives if they intend to be good journalists. From what I've read, it sounds like the walkout was planned before Dan even opened his mouth. I love Dan, read his column regularly, and pretty much agree with everything he had to say at this event. But even I (as gay as Lance Bass carrying a purse full of rainbows while riding a unicorn) can see that booking Dan Savage to talk to high schoolers was just asking for trouble. Something was bound to go very, very wrong.

mrmody · 05-23-2012, 07:59 AM

At least Dan Savage never advocated concentration camps for homophonic Christians.

**myotch** · 05-23-2012, 08:11 AM

What does Worley have to do with Savage? Rotten apples and rotten oranges.

mrmody · 05-24-2012, 08:30 AM

(05-23-2012 08:11 AM)myotch Wrote: What does Worley have to do with Savage? Rotten apples and rotten oranges.

Because it shows the difference between gay secularists and members of the religious right. There are many in the religious right that want to throw homosexuals in prison and are using their influence in Africa to make gay sex a capital crime.
I’m not aware of any major gay rights organization that advocates the imprisonment or death penalty for homophobic Christians.

**myotch** · (This post was last modified: 05-24-2012 09:10 AM by myotch.)

That's a sophomoric comparison.

By and large, and despite failing attempts of inside humor, the religious right doesn't want to throw homosexuals in prison. My guess is that, despite his haughtiness and carelessness on the subject, Worley would be alarmed if concentration camps for homosexuals became a reality.

As to the African capital crime bill regarding homosexuality, I assume you are talking about anti-gay minister Scott Lively's involvement in lobbying. He did not support homosexuality being a capital crime. Little reason for celebration of the fact, though, since he would have supported making homosexuality a crime.

Africa has to deal with a large and growing HIV/AIDs problem. I know it is little consolation, but African countries have to deal publicly with its own biases and ignorances on that and associated issues before it gets better.