David Cloud vs. Conservative Evangelicals

[exIFB]

(02-04-2011 07:52 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote:  Never heard of it.

Lucky you They contributed to a lot of my anxiety and fear over the last few years.

[Elijah Craig]

(02-04-2011 10:47 PM)Soli Deo Gloria Wrote:  I would term Conservative Evangelicals as more of a 9 Marks stripe. These are a lot of Southern Baptist, MacArthur-type Bible churches, and some "liberal" IFB's. Movements like the Resurgence crowd (Driscoll, Chandler, Greear) would also fall under the umbrella of Conservative Evangelical even though they are not as socially conservative as the 9 Marks guys generally are, and would die on fewer hills (smoking, drinking etc.)
Guys like Mark Dever, are incredibly conservative, but might still hang out with Francis Chan, Josh Harris, Tim Keller, Mark Driscoll on occasion (mostly at T4G).

David Cloud on the other hand, hates everybody. Everyone else is in error somewhere according to him. He takes potshots at everyone from Steven Furtick, Rick Warren, Mark Driscoll, to guys even more conservative like Mark Dever (Conservative SB), Clay Reed (IB)*, Tom Messer (IB)*, Jack Schaap (IFBx), and Hyles.

There is no pleasing this guy. He thinks it is his ministry to "point out error."


*Non fundy Independent Baptist.

Conservative =/ Reformed

[IFB No More]

Just read some of the "Friday News Notes" again. Been a long while. Regretted doing so. Waves of fear and guilt I experienced during my IFBX days returns again... my previous IFB church would have his notes posted together with the church bulletin EVERY Sunday.

[fundyvangelicalcatholic]

What would Jesus think of this seperation? What about the historical context of what Paul was referring to in Romans?

Dont all of the above "sects" believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven? Shouldn't that be enough or am I too ecumenical?

[TruthSeeker]

Quotes from David Cloud's new book "Bible Separation"

Cloud's says page 52; "These "conservative" evangelicals are bridges to the wide world of evangelicalism today with all if its ancient and end time heresies."

He continues, "We need to avoid schools and educational curriculums that promote error. Many Bible-believing "fundamentalists" have become New Evangelicals or worse by attending schools as Dallas Theological Seminary and The Evangelical Divinity School, schools that have renounced separatism."

My question is, are these schools really "New Evangelical"? Didn't John Walvoord who was president of Dallas Seminary wrote against new evangelicalism? And have they really renounced separatism or have they renounced Cloud's brand of separatism?

[co_heir]

The thread could also be titled, "David Cloud vs. everyone else."

[TruthSeeker]

For some reason I never heard David Cloud say anything negative about Pensacola Christian College. The Bible does teach we should separate from Christians who are in sin and do not repent. Also believers who are lazy and are busybodies.

Now, where in the Bible does it say that we are to separate from another believer because he has fellowship (if that's the proper word) with liberals or apostates?

Here are the 8 scriptural texts Cloud uses for ecclesiastical separation:

1.Romans 16:17-18
2. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18
3. 1 Timothy 6:3-5
4. 2 Timothy 3:5
5. Titus 3:9-11
6. 2 John 6-11
7. 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15
8. 2 Timothy 2:15-26

I'm hoping each one of you will chose one text here and comment has to why it can't refer to a Christian separating from another Christian because of his association with a liberal or apostate.

[Darrell]

(07-21-2012 01:11 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote:  For some reason I never heard David Cloud say anything negative about Pensacola Christian College. The Bible does teach we should separate from Christians who are in sin and do not repent. Also believers who are lazy and are busybodies.

Now, where in the Bible does it say that we are to separate from another believer because he has fellowship (if that's the proper word) with liberals or apostates?

Here are the 8 scriptural texts Cloud uses for ecclesiastical separation:

1.Romans 16:17-18
2. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18
3. 1 Timothy 6:3-5
4. 2 Timothy 3:5
5. Titus 3:9-11
6. 2 John 6-11
7. 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15
8. 2 Timothy 2:15-26

I'm hoping each one of you will chose one text here and comment has to why it can't refer to a Christian separating from another Christian because of his association with a liberal or apostate.

You'll have to define "association."

[TruthSeeker]

I'm using the word "association" in the broad sense. According to IFB's they should not even preach at the same bible conference. David Cloud would not even speak at a Catholic church even if they gave him the platform to present the true gospel.

They even use the word "association" in the sense of even listening to evangelicals on the radio, internet, or books. They must separate from all this even if they are by "conservative evangelicals".