His Excellency Frank Garlock Comments on music on Brian Fullers blog post

[captain_solo]

(04-15-2012 08:10 AM)pastors wife Wrote:  

(04-15-2012 07:23 AM)captain_solo Wrote:  In the Northern, less KJVO, somewhat more cerebral region of fundyland, some leaders taught their young people to hold up the Scriptures as the final word. Faith, practice, etc should all come from the words of the Bible.

This is exactly what my husband and I were taught which is why we stepped away from a lot of IFB practices, for which we got roundly criticized and ostracized by the very people who taught us to do that very thing! LOL

Quote: The Old Guys won't listen to what is actually being said,

This is SO TRUE. My husband's father (who is an assistant pastor and has been an interim one) and a nearby pastor both flatly refused to look at the Scripture we offered to show them. They called what we were doing unBiblical, and when we tried to prove from the Bible why we were making the choices we were, they said NO! I was shocked. (Sorry, regular readers; I have shared this before, but I thought it illustrated well captain_solo's point.)

It seems like it should be funny and ironic, but it really just makes me sad.

[pastor's wife]

(04-15-2012 09:44 AM)Presbygirl Wrote:  @PW. Romans 12:3??

Your fil wouldn't even listen to his own son? Another brother in Christ??

I know! That was a very uncomfortable Thanksgiving!

It's sad because when I first met my husband in college, he was still a young man very annoyed with a lot of things about his parents and chafing at their authority in many ways. As he matured, he grew to greatly respect his father. He liked his father's quiet approach to many things; he felt he had a great deal of wisdom.

But when we wanted to become missional and reach out to the community instead of walling ourselves away from it, we were breaking the basic fundamentalist rule of separatism, and his dad just condemned him. He even praised a local Hyles-Anderson pastor because he was "producing fruit" -- people were joining his church -- and because people left ours, we had to be wrong. So apparently to my husband's dad, numbers give credibility to your ministry philosophy.

My husband wanted to share what he'd learned with his dad, but his dad wouldn't listen and kept cutting him off. He said, "You can make Scripture say whatever you want it to say." My husband couldn't believe that: if that's true, why trust anything it says at all? Just because some people twist it, doesn't mean that we can't figure out the true meaning of a passage from its context and from the full range of Scripture.

Anyway, the end result of that conversation was that my husband lost a great deal of respect for his dad. His dad showed himself very shallow and close-minded in his understanding of Christianity, and his willingness to condemn while refusing to listen showed him to be foolish. We were heartbroken that two believers could not sit down and discuss the Bible together; instead, because we weren't following the typical IFB play-book, he didn't even want to consider what we might have to say.

I appreciated my husband's respect for his dad and how he liked to go golfing with him and talk about ministry issues. That closeness is now lost and it makes me very sad.

[Mommy2Kids]

(04-15-2012 04:46 PM)pastors wife Wrote:  My husband wanted to share what he'd learned with his dad, but his dad wouldn't listen and kept cutting him off. He said, "You can make Scripture say whatever you want it to say."

What fundies don't realize is that THEY are guilty of this exact thing.

[beth]

[quote='Chuck Travels' pid='82874' dateline='1334374036']
Frank Garlock starts out by writing; "I will make an attempt at disagreeing with you without being disagreeable.


I think that ship has already sailed.

[Bob M]

(04-14-2012 11:30 AM)BASSENCO Wrote:  It will take Garloc a lot longer than 50 yrs to defend "biblical principles" that do not appear anywhere in the Bible.

Nothing he wrote is of any significance.

I spent 6 months studying worship and what the Biblw had to say about it. I read 9 or 10 books, hundreds of articles and even found some good online debates. I perused some of Garlocks stuff and never found one word he said to be defensible. And not one of the people who wrote any of the books I used for my research ever gave him any credence. Several of them mentioned his name in a sort of passing way, almost like someone who was writing on the history of the Bible would say "And there was some guy named Ruckman who tired to convince people that God spoke English."