A Fundamentalist View of Hell

[TurningIntoDavid]

(04-17-2012 11:24 AM)Donb123 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:07 AM)exOBCstudent Wrote:  My wife and I discussed these new ideas last night and came to some insteresting points.

- Christ came to the world not to CONDEMN the world but that the world through Him might be saved. Thus His atonement was paid ONCE for all at Calvary.

We stand condemned already. When Christ returns it will be in judgement.

Quote:- What can SEPERATE us from God's love? NOTHING. God IS love. All love comes from God. If hell seperates us from God eternally then His love isn't enough or He is NOT omnipresent or all powerful either.

The Apostle Paul was speaking of believers in this passage- he always wrote to churches- not random heathens.

Quote:- Perfect love casteth out fear. LOVE covers ALL sins. Would perfect, UNCONDITIONAL love be "I'll only love you if you in return love me, otherwise I'll damn you to eternal torments"?

Not everyone is a recipient of God's perfect unconditional love. If you believe the Bible it is pretty clear on this.

Oh for the love of Pete. If I had a nickel for every time someone told me that the Bible was clear on a topic and then didn't quote the Bible after making the statement, I wouldn't be wondering how I'm going to pay to get the clutch in my car fixed right now. Fundy pastors do the same things: "We preach the Bible here, and the Bible is dead clear on xyz issue" and then fail to mention exactly where and how the Bible manages to be so darn clear. But they're right nonetheless!

However, if you want to know exactly what the Bible is clear on regarding this, I would recommend Jesus' Teaching on Hell.

(04-17-2012 11:24 AM)Donb123 Wrote:  

Quote:- If God knew from the beginning of creation that some men wouldn't choose Him (and hell is real) then He PURPOSELY designed hell for their eternal suffering. Is that the depths of God's love for mankind? Once again the "I'll only love you if you love me back" mentality.

God knew Adam and Eve would sin and mankind would fall. I don't know why he would do what he does but then I'm not going to judge nor impugn his character. I just know he loves me and that's enough for me. I can't be bothered to question the lord of the universe on why he does what he does.

It's funny, because Abraham could be bothered to question the lord of the universe on why he does what he does. "Far be it from you to do such a thing! Will not the judge of the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25)

(04-17-2012 11:24 AM)Donb123 Wrote:  

Quote:- If Hell is real, then mothers with children and even animals would show more love than Christ appears to. At least many mothers will naturally love their children no matter how much of a mess they make of themselves or how much they "act up". Even a dog will return sometimes and lick the hand of the one who beat him senseless.

A lot of people seem to have some mistaken notion about "all God's children" and think that applies to all of humanity- but it does not. God's children are children by adoption only.

Quote:If the doctrine of eternal punishment is true then the God we think we know isn't as loving as many think. In fact He would seem terrible and downright tyrannical....just like IFB MOGs I know. The more I study in detail eternal punishment the more of the fingerprints of men I see.

I think he's incredibly loving to bestow grace and mercy upon me when I didn't want it nor deserve it.

That's a rather IFB kind of view...

I apologize; I'm new here. Is comparing someone's view to an IFB view the same as a reductio ad hitlerum on here?

(04-17-2012 09:20 AM)TurningIntoDavid Wrote:  You've got a long conversation ahead of you, because there are a lot of verses that seem to teach that some people will be in hell forever.

Told you so. Though I wish I was wrong.