A Fundamentalist View of Hell

[Presbygirl]

(04-16-2012 10:49 AM)dramaturge Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 10:12 AM)Presbygirl Wrote:  Of course, that why I stated that he is unrepentant. But, true repentance is a whole other discussion. And for the record, he already claims to be a believer, and he cheated on her several times before she finally had to divorce him whilst molesting the children.

Point being, not everyone repents, and not everyone will be saved. And yes, there must be judgement or Christ's death is for naught. If everyone would eventually be saved, then Christ didn't need to die. Uncomfortable and unfathomable for some as it may be, accepting that our ways are not Gods ways is essential to us not setting ourselves up to think we know as much or better than God.
Edited to add: I have gifts but mercy is not my best one. I do know that should he truly repent and submit to Christ, He would be forgiven. And that is where I must trust that God, who is the King of Kings would render true justice. Becuase I know that I couldn't ever.

What if Christ's death is indeed the basis for even a universal salvation whether we understand the means or not? Justice would still be served whether we grasp why or how. I think it's just as reasonable to propose that Christ's death accomplished justice for all in a way that God understands and applies as it is to propose that Christ's death only accomplishes applied justice for an individual who accepts it.

p.s. I'm not trying to be belligerent, mostly just using some Socratic method to understand your position and to better understand mine. :-)

So, you assume, that everyone wants heaven? See this is where the rubber meets the road. We are all rebels against God. Chuck total depravity out the window and any combination of redemption is possible. If Love Wins, why not now, instead of later. Why aren't we all loving others now and doing good till Christ comes? I've seen enough examples here on earth, to show that people don't choose to love even their own offspring. Now tell me, how does that work?

P.S. You're fabulous. I get good discussion!