9th Circuit Court of Appeals: Still looney after all these years

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(02-10-2012 01:59 PM)myotch Wrote:  I don't "cherrypick". I've discussed plenty of situations where consenting adults cannot marry or be recognized by the state as married.

Those decisions are not because of tradition however. There are valid reasons to not allow incest relationships in any way. Lots of psychological and medical reasons. It's not merely because of tradition.

First cousins isn't banned on tradition either and, like I said before, that's not a nationwide ban. First cousins can marry in Wisconsin if the female is sterilized. Their marriage, however, is still nationally recognized in states that don't allow first cousins to marry in any capacity.

Quote:I just don't see a compelling case to retrofit thousands of years of the evolution of the institution of marriage for gays who want to marry.

Engage and compel me! Give me a reason to change my mind. If I am opposed to gay marriage, what is the undeniable logic that should change my mind? It just isn't there.

If marriage is an evolution, that means it is forever changing, so your argument that it can't be changed for homosexuals is now invalid.

As long as civil unions are not equal to marriage and as long as their marriages and unions are not recognized nationally just like all other unions, then you will have people fighting for it so they can protect each other and their property and any children if they happen to come along. The only difference in family unit for a homosexual family compared to a heterosexual one is that both partners are homosexual. For homosexuals who have children, the same rights as married hetero's is quite necessary. Otherwise, family members can swoop in and argue that the children are now abandoned and that they have a right to them. You do realize that unless you are married or are in a union recognized by the state that you practically have zero custody rights? Judges have a lot of leeway in deciding custody rights outside of marriage. Once you are dead, a judge will decide who your children will go to unless there is a married parent still alive. You cannot will children to certain people.