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elizabethn · 02-09-2012, 09:15 AM

(02-07-2012 12:07 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote: I don't mean to diminish anyone's pain or say that Fundamentalism doesn't have pervasive and serious effects on a person's psychology. They do. But it's substantially different.

It is not OK to use clinical, medical terms lightly. Being sad is not being depressed. Having bad memories is not PTSD. It just isn't.

It's also not okay to make sweeping statements about terminology, especially when those statements are completely contrary to both professional and common use of those terms. That's what you're doing here.

Templewoman · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2012 09:38 AM by Templewoman.)

(02-04-2012 10:19 PM)Ricardo Wrote: It happens in the best of families.

It is a major symptom of PTSD. Which, of course we all swear we don't have...

my doctor (who is a Christian, and I told her of all the stress the teachings of my church at the time were causing me, including
major marriage problems) did say that my symptoms sound like post traumatic stress disorder.
And I didn't even tell her all my symptoms. I used to work for her, and I was embarrassed to tell her.

Elijah Craig · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2012 10:08 AM by Elijah Craig.)

(02-09-2012 09:11 AM)elizabethn Wrote:
(02-07-2012 10:05 AM)Elijah Craig Wrote: The problem to me is it's completely shifting categories and language in such a way as to made it completely meaningless. Growing up fundy and war time combat are two categorically different things with perhaps some overlap but still categorically different pyschological responses.

PTSD is in the news a lot right now and it seems to me that everyone wants to be in the club. But claiming one has it when one anyone who can read can see one doesn't meet the critieria actually is offensive. It's dismissive of the real problem in the same way as people who tell clinically depressed people to just smile and push on.

War is far from the only way to get PTSD. You sound highly dismissive of childhood trauma with these assertions.

Did you even read my post? I'm survivor of childhood trauma. I don't know how to deal with kind of base dishonesty-- and that's what it is. Get a grip. The poster was describing very normal social anxiety and people on the Internet are diagnosing him with a mental disorder.

lucrezaborgia · 02-11-2012, 12:16 AM

Interesting thing came up about PTSD in my non-BPD group. The group owner is reading a book on emotions and psychopathy and in the book is research on emotions.

Quote:When a stressful emotional experience takes place, the system doesn't go back to zero at baseline. This is why people with PSTD (or BPD) and severe anxiety are more likely to feel fear/anxiety at a lessor threshold. As an example, if you have a heat sensing system set to set off an alarm at 80 degrees and it starts at zero degrees, and then heats up to 81, the alarm goes off. However, the room doesn't cool back down to zero degrees. Instead it cools to 50 degrees. So, less of a temp change (31 degrees) is required to set off the alarm again. The emotional reaction system works this way as well. The baseline doesn't go to the previous low baseline. While the threshold for alarm is lower in BPD/PTSD/anxiety, the baseline is higher as well, due to conditioned stress. Therefore, the hair-triggery aspects are even more so. Yet all of these systems are due to reactive emotional stress. It is a standard and normal aspect of being a mammal. What's out of whack is the regulation of this system.

elizabethn · 02-12-2012, 08:22 AM

(02-09-2012 10:06 AM)Elijah Craig Wrote:
(02-09-2012 09:11 AM)elizabethn Wrote: War is far from the only way to get PTSD. You sound highly dismissive of childhood trauma with these assertions.

Did you even read my post? I'm survivor of childhood trauma. I don't know how to deal with kind of base dishonesty-- and that's what it is. Get a grip. The poster was describing very normal social anxiety and people on the Internet are diagnosing him with a mental disorder.

Have a nice life. *clicks block*

Elijah Craig · (This post was last modified: 02-13-2012 08:17 AM by Elijah Craig.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/health...lness.html

Under changes planned to the diagnosis handbook used by doctors in the US, common behavioural traits are likely to be listed as a mental illness, it was reported.

The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of Mental Disorders could also include internet addiction and gambling as a medical problem.

Although the guidelines are not used in the UK, experts said they feared it would affect thinking on the subjects.

"We need to be very careful before further broadening the boundaries of illness and disorder," Simon Wessely, of the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London, told the Daily Mail.

"Back in 1840 the census of the United States included just one category for mental disorder.

"By 1917 the American Psychiatric Association recognised 59, rising to 128 in 1959, 227 in 1980, and 347 in the last revision. Do we really need all these labels?

"Probably not. And there is a real danger that shyness will become social phobia, bookish kids labelled as Asperger's and so on."

Peter Kinderman, head of the Institute of Psychology at the University of Liverpool, said it was not "humane" to describe shy or bereaved people as "mentally ill".

The British Psychological Society has opposed the changes to the DSM while psychiatrists in the US have also spoken out against them.

A petition launched to try to stop the publication of the new edition was backed by 11,000 signatures from psychologists.

There are fears the new classifications are being driven by drug companies seeking to profit from a greater number of illnesses while the private health care system in the States requires a diagnosis recognised by the manual for a patient to be treated as ill.

"DSM5 will radically and recklessly expand the boundaries of psychiatry. Many millions will receive inaccurate diagnosis and inappropriate treatment.," said Allen Frances of Duke University, North Carolina.

Elijah Craig · (This post was last modified: 02-13-2012 08:48 AM by Elijah Craig.)

It is not as if there is an ideal psychology and any deviation from it is mental illness. That's an abuse of the term. Some people are naturally shy, some are naturally forward. There may or may not be psychological reasons for it, but character traits are not mental disorders. Bereavement is not depression; it's a very normal and healthy part of being a human being. Moving through early adulthood, shedding parts of your parent's teaching, and becoming your own person is not a mental illness. It's a normal process. Feeling regrets over the past or having bad memories is not a mental illness but part of life.

There are limits to what's healthy and what's unhealthy. Except in extreme cases, none of us are qualified to judge via the Internet whether or not a person has a mental disorder. It's highly inappropriate, harmful, and in some cases there have been libel suits over it. I have suggested on another thread that Something Fundy should talk to someone about why he's still so anxious around his ex. That doesn't mean I think he has a mental disorder and I'm very sure that Fundamentalism didn't cause PTSD.

lucrezaborgia · (This post was last modified: 02-13-2012 01:38 PM by lucrezaborgia.)

That article sucks. The DSM5 issues that it relates are, from what I've read, not being labeled merely because they exist. There is no "shyness" diagnosis in the DSM5 and the article does not point to any of the working groups.

http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx

What the DSM5 is doing is making diagnosis more broad to include a spectrum view which is more prevalent in psychiatrist today. Shyness is very much a disorder if, and only if, it causes someone severe impairment in their lives.

Here are some way better articles on the DSM5.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/20...eving-too/

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/20...ews-cycle/

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/20...the-dsm-5/

04-17-2012, 06:29 PM

(02-07-2012 11:03 AM)SomethingFundy Wrote: I asked him outright, you ain't going to put me on a guilt trip and say it's all me right considering I just left a cult right
he said no, I won't do that.

Wow. You came on here and opened up about your struggles. The last 3 times you gave updates, these guys just iognored you and continued their argument whether or not one could get PTSD from leaving fundyland. They sound like fundamentalists and I came here to escape that mentality.

HOw are you doing with your counseling?

~~SomethingFundy~~ · 04-17-2012, 06:40 PM

(04-17-2012 06:29 PM)Bob M Wrote:
(02-07-2012 11:03 AM)SomethingFundy Wrote: I asked him outright, you ain't going to put me on a guilt trip and say it's all me right considering I just left a cult right
he said no, I won't do that.

Wow. You came on here and opened up about your struggles. The last 3 times you gave updates, these guys just iognored you and continued their argument whether or not one could get PTSD from leaving fundyland. They sound like fundamentalists and I came here to escape that mentality.

HOw are you doing with your counseling?

I have been working the last month and have not been able to go. I really need to though.