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~~SomethingFundy~~ · 02-06-2012, 04:46 PM

I have ticks though, if someone touches me I about deck them. Someone touches my shoulder, I nearly do the same, I fight that though because I'm safe and not in harms way like at HAC after the teacher did that.
Can't stand physical touch but at the same time crave it

Elijah Craig · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2012 05:14 PM by Elijah Craig.)

(02-06-2012 04:46 PM)SomethingFundy Wrote: I have ticks though, if someone touches me I about deck them. Someone touches my shoulder, I nearly do the same, I fight that though because I'm safe and not in harms way like at HAC after the teacher did that.
Can't stand physical touch but at the same time crave it

Fundy wouldn't cause that tho... but that might cause Fundy. Good luck with seeing a counselor. I too hope you don't get nouthetized.

~~SomethingFundy~~ · 02-06-2012, 05:18 PM

(02-06-2012 05:13 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote:
(02-06-2012 04:46 PM)SomethingFundy Wrote: I have ticks though, if someone touches me I about deck them. Someone touches my shoulder, I nearly do the same, I fight that though because I'm safe and not in harms way like at HAC after the teacher did that.
Can't stand physical touch but at the same time crave it

Fundy wouldn't cause that tho... but that might cause Fundy. Good luck with seeing a counselor. I too hope you don't get nouthetized.

The thing that happened as is that a teacher forceably laid his hands on me and since then I tweek lol

~~SomethingFundy~~ · 02-06-2012, 11:42 PM

So the counselor emailed me back. He has experience with people leaving cults and has nothing to do with Jay Adams it seems.

lucrezaborgia · (This post was last modified: 02-07-2012 12:01 AM by lucrezaborgia.)

Have anyone here ever checked out the Acceptance and Commitment Therapy workbook? I highly recommend it!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptanc...nt_therapy

It's somewhat related to DBT.

Ricardo · 02-07-2012, 12:09 AM

The problem with mental illnesses is we are all experts...

If I can't imagine that happening to me, then of course it cannot possibly happen to you...

We have the famous case of General Patton trying to whip a soldier out of what could possibly be diagnosed today as PTSD.

Even for trained psychologists the Diagnosis is hard. What do we do with all those VietNam veterans who forty years after the fact still claim to have flashbacks. Do we believe them? Do we withdraw their medical benefits?

Same goes for survivors of Fundamentalism.

lucrezaborgia · 02-07-2012, 12:17 AM

(02-07-2012 12:09 AM)Ricardo Wrote: The problem with mental illnesses is we are all experts...

If I can't imagine that happening to me, then of course it cannot possibly happen to you...

I learned in my non-bpd support group that compassion includes radical acceptance which includes accepting that my version of reality isn't the same for everyone else. My experiences with bipolar disorder and anxiety give me a frightfully different reality than most people, yet dismissing other peoples pain just because they don't suffer as I do is the height of insensitivity in my book.

**senda wales** · 02-07-2012, 01:34 AM

(02-07-2012 12:17 AM)lucrezaborgia Wrote:
(02-07-2012 12:09 AM)Ricardo Wrote: The problem with mental illnesses is we are all experts...

If I can't imagine that happening to me, then of course it cannot possibly happen to you...

I learned in my non-bpd support group that compassion includes radical acceptance which includes accepting that my version of reality isn't the same for everyone else. My experiences with bipolar disorder and anxiety give me a frightfully different reality than most people, yet dismissing other peoples pain just because they don't suffer as I do is the height of insensitivity in my book.

Sure, but I wouldn't then insist that you're suffering from PTSD. This isn't just about labels. These medically-imposed categories and efforts to wrangle subjective, fluid human experience into textbook definitions are partly to create an appropriate diagnosis with an appropriate treatment.

Jeremy · 02-07-2012, 01:38 AM

(02-07-2012 12:09 AM)Ricardo Wrote: The problem with mental illnesses is we are all experts...

If I can't imagine that happening to me, then of course it cannot possibly happen to you...

We have the famous case of General Patton trying to whip a soldier out of what could possibly be diagnosed today as PTSD.

Even for trained psychologists the Diagnosis is hard. What do we do with all those VietNam veterans who forty years after the fact still claim to have flashbacks. Do we believe them? Do we withdraw their medical benefits?

Same goes for survivors of Fundamentalism.

The deal with PTSD is that it has varying degrees. I'm in the miltary, and they've talked to us about it at length. Just because you're not beating your wife and having horrific nightmares every night doesn't mean you don't have PTSD. Everybody has some kind of mental detox process they have to go through after living for some period of time under situations creating stress and anxiety. I don't think it insults combat veterans to use it in reference to cult groups; I don't think most ex-cult people who claim they have "some form of" or "something related to" PTSD mean to say that they've been through the same thing as combat vets. And if I get my head knocked off for saying that I'll let y'all know. ;-P

**senda wales** · (This post was last modified: 02-07-2012 02:11 AM by senda wales.)

I don't know. I'll grant that I don't know any of you and don't know what you've gone through. I've feared for my life before. I went through a time when police did stake-outs where I lived and encouraged me not to live where I did because the danger to my life or well-being was so great. The vulnerability I felt, the constant hypervigilance of every sound and every sight and everyone, the recurring dreams I had afterwards, and the underlying fear and very strong sense of my own mortality and weakness I've experienced since then, was just on such a different level than any other pain or loss or psychological wound I've had in life. I would sit in a library trying to study, and I'd just look around at all of these students sitting there calm and living life, as if everything were normal. And I'd sit there thinking that any one of them, any one of us, could be followed and killed in an instant. How easy it would be to go up to any one of them and hurt them, and these people don't even realize the danger they put themselves in on an everyday basis by trusting being around strangers. I don't think as much like that as I did immediately after the incident I experienced occurred, but when I'm in public places, out on the street, I am very aware that I'm surrounded by strangers and could be hurt. When I'm not in public places, when I'm sitting by myself at home, I'm still aware that I could be hurt even where I'm at. There is/was this lingering sense that nowhere is safe.

Anyways, I don't even know that I'd call that PTSD - I was never diagnosed, and that was just a very short time period of my life, compared with traditionally diagnosed patients with PTSD (war victims, assault victims, veterans, etc). So that's why I hesitate to call the effects of fundamentalism PTSD. It's just a totally different level of stress and anxiety.