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**RobMille** · 01-14-2012, 09:20 PM

It's great that RP will bring up things that others don't. The problem is his solutions stink on ice. Don123 says RP points out politicians are bought & paid for in the pocket of various interests. His solution? Complete deregulation of all campaign finance laws, and public ethics laws. How is more anonymous money going to buy & pay for those politicians going to solve this? Not to mention he'd be more than willing to shrug off foreign contributions to any & all campaigns. RP may bring up subjects others aren't talking about, but he's still an awful candidate going nowhere fast. I'm sure he'll be the last one to drop out, cause he's got nothing else to do but keep campaigning, but it's pretty much a waste of time/money. He's not changing the debate or advancing his ideas cause he's not playing ball. Best analogy ever: Ron Paul is like the 5th grade kid on the sidelines reading the dodgeball rule book yelling how everyone is doing it wrong.

Donb123 · 01-15-2012, 01:03 AM

(01-14-2012 09:20 PM)RobMille Wrote: It's great that RP will bring up things that others don't. The problem is his solutions stink on ice. Don123 says RP points out politicians are bought & paid for in the pocket of various interests. His solution? Complete deregulation of all campaign finance laws, and public ethics laws. How is more anonymous money going to buy & pay for those politicians going to solve this? Not to mention he'd be more than willing to shrug off foreign contributions to any & all campaigns. RP may bring up subjects others aren't talking about, but he's still an awful candidate going nowhere fast. I'm sure he'll be the last one to drop out, cause he's got nothing else to do but keep campaigning, but it's pretty much a waste of time/money. He's not changing the debate or advancing his ideas cause he's not playing ball. Best analogy ever: Ron Paul is like the 5th grade kid on the sidelines reading the dodgeball rule book yelling how everyone is doing it wrong.

If there was any merit to this I'd address it.

greg · 01-15-2012, 09:35 AM

Doesn't Ron Paul and his cultic followers remind anyone of Lyndon LaRouche and his cult?

The video Darrell posted is what I hear everytime I see RP interviewed, it was hilarious!

**RobMille** · 01-15-2012, 09:53 AM

Quick Google search has Ron Paul from 2002 floor speech that he thinks in his words "that the First amendment unquestionably grants individuals and businesses the free and unfettered right to advertise, lobby, and contribute to politicians as they choose".

Very unclear how that will fix politicians being in the pocket of interested & businesses. He doesn't point out that his view of no regulations would allow foreign contributions. It's possible he's changed his view in 10 years since then and is endorsing more regulation and the overturn of Citizens United. I have a hard time believing that RP would change to something that antithetical to his Liberarian viewpoint, but I'd be glad to admit I was wrong if he has.

Source: http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=c...&Itemid=60

Donb123 · (This post was last modified: 01-15-2012 11:43 AM by Donb123.)

(01-15-2012 09:35 AM)greg Wrote: Doesn't Ron Paul and his cultic followers remind anyone of Lyndon LaRouche and his cult?

The video Darrell posted is what I hear everytime I see RP interviewed, it was hilarious!

Greg, just because you disagree doesn't make something a cult. You're the same way about anything that even remotely resembles a topic on the sovereignty of God. Can you make your point without exaggeration every once in awhile? or has the cult of mainstream warmonger eocon Arminian dispensational Republicanism got you brainwashed too much?

Donb123 · 01-15-2012, 07:49 PM

Nice article on why Ron Paul is in fact electable and could in fact win... on the liberal blog.. wait for it.. wait for it.. HufPo! bwahahah

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-tric..._ref=false

**RobMille** · 01-15-2012, 07:55 PM

Never heard of the author, so I clicked her name. Clearly is the house libertarian headcase for HuffPo. RP won't win SC, won't win FL, and won't win any primary, but probably will keep losing them all the way till the convention.

Donb123 · 01-15-2012, 07:57 PM

(01-15-2012 09:53 AM)RobMille Wrote: Quick Google search has Ron Paul from 2002 floor speech that he thinks in his words "that the First amendment unquestionably grants individuals and businesses the free and unfettered right to advertise, lobby, and contribute to politicians as they choose".

Very unclear how that will fix politicians being in the pocket of interested & businesses. He doesn't point out that his view of no regulations would allow foreign contributions. It's possible he's changed his view in 10 years since then and is endorsing more regulation and the overturn of Citizens United. I have a hard time believing that RP would change to something that antithetical to his Liberarian viewpoint, but I'd be glad to admit I was wrong if he has.

Source: http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=c...&Itemid=60

It's not clear to me why if Ron Paul has the second most spending money on the Republican side after Romney why this is even an issue. And for that matter I don't really know why anybody thinks it's a good idea for anyone to trample on free speech rights- but people seem to only like the Constitution when it supports what they believe. Some people think that if you use the word "corporation" it's somehow some nebulous entity magically doing stuff on its own as if there weren't people there.

Do corporations have undue influence? Of course but that's not the fault of free speech! That's the fault of the evil politicians that people keep getting elected and the unscrupulous businessmen who participate in these charades. Instead of making laws to cure the systems we need to fumigate D.C.

Progressive Democrats are surely not like the Democrats of old. Back in the day Democrats actually believed in the freedom not to be detained without trial, not to be targeted for death, to have free speech and free assembly rights. It's easy to see by looking at the old school liberals like Kucinich and Boxer versus Obama and Clinton.

greg · 01-16-2012, 01:22 PM

(01-15-2012 11:42 AM)Donb123 Wrote:
(01-15-2012 09:35 AM)greg Wrote: Doesn't Ron Paul and his cultic followers remind anyone of Lyndon LaRouche and his cult?

The video Darrell posted is what I hear everytime I see RP interviewed, it was hilarious!

Greg, just because you disagree doesn't make something a cult. You're the same way about anything that even remotely resembles a topic on the sovereignty of God. Can you make your point without exaggeration every once in awhile? or has the cult of mainstream warmonger eocon Arminian dispensational Republicanism got you brainwashed too much?

Must have touched a nerve! I'm just having fun at the little leprechaun's expense!

I am shocked that you have drank this RP Kool-aid, you are seriously waaaay too smart to fall for this. I'm serious!

Recovering · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2012 03:38 PM by Recovering.)

(01-16-2012 01:22 PM)greg Wrote: I am shocked that you have drank this RP Kool-aid, you are seriously waaaay too smart to fall for this. I'm serious!

Oh, come on. We've all heard the "anyone with brains can see it's so" argument way too many times to fall for that. :-) (Though it occurs to me that you might just be teasing, and if so, my apologies).

I'm not a Paul supporter, but I am so grateful that someone running for president seems to think that things like covert and preemptive war, governmental secrecy, and consolidation of vast amounts of power within a few political and corporate hands are at least worth discussing.