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**boymom** · 12-10-2011, 03:01 PM

(12-10-2011 01:45 PM)lucrezaborgia Wrote: So...why don't we all own slaves?

I have 4 teenagers; does that count?

Wythy · 12-10-2011, 03:09 PM

Paul mentions that we should be courteous towards all men bc of our former lives. That's pretty much a "command" to be nice.

**senda wales** · (This post was last modified: 12-10-2011 03:51 PM by senda wales.)

lol. I once got into an argument like this. It ended with the other person accusing me of being a mean, terrible, and cynical person, but anyways. At the time, I tried to make the point that nice people doesn't impress me. Lots of people can be nice. In fact, most people can be nice. Good and bad people can be nice. Friends can be nice. So can criminals, con artists, and pick-up artists, remarkably so. Doesn't mean that they're right, doesn't mean that they're doing good. I care more about whether someone treats someone else right than just treats them nice.

I have since revised my analysis to recognize that it depends on how you define "nice", and that being nice and doing right don't have to be mutually exclusive.

lucrezaborgia · 12-10-2011, 03:52 PM

(12-10-2011 03:01 PM)boymom Wrote:
(12-10-2011 01:45 PM)lucrezaborgia Wrote: So...why don't we all own slaves?

I have 4 teenagers; does that count?

Depends...do they actually do what you want them to without threat of violence?

Angel

**boymom** · 12-10-2011, 05:45 PM

Well, when I say no video games til chores are done, you'd think I was killing them. Unfortunately I haven't found any gypsies I could sell them to, or who would willingly take them.

P.S. Seriously, though, I love my sons, and usually they do whatever I ask of them. Not always happily, and not always right away, but they do it.

**JordanMaria** · 12-11-2011, 07:20 AM

(12-10-2011 01:40 PM)lucrezaborgia Wrote:
(12-10-2011 10:21 AM)JordanMaria Wrote: You know how parents tell their kids "Treat others as you want to be treated"? It's a simple, innocent way to teach being nice. She was saying that but in a different way.

It's not quite the same but it is similar. The difference is where do you place yourself in the equation? Are you considering the needs of the other person? The Golden Rule is great for children but I think, as adults, we should move beyond it because we tend to have the maturity and experience to be more discerning in our interpersonal relationships. It's definitely not a foolproof or universal philosophy (there is no such thing!) but it can be applied in many circumstances.

I know they're not exactly the same ideas. I was just trying to point out the innocent simplicity of both ideas. Smile

**Qrayze** · 12-11-2011, 10:29 PM

I loved how at the end of the video, there was a message that actually offered help to those who need it. A place to stay, a listening ear, a kind smile. With so much hate aimed at the LGBT persons, it's nice to see some love thrown their way.

Ugh, I so did not want to get into this...

(12-10-2011 04:34 AM)greg Wrote: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones." Romans 1:26

God gave them over to this? Oh, so it sounds like they were born that way?!

(12-10-2011 01:27 PM)bamabob1 Wrote: No matter how you spin it homosexuality is wrong. Clearly stated in scripture. Now that said I don't hate them but believe in compassion but without compromise. Treat them fairly and kindly but will not go along with homosexuality is "OK" for Christians to practice.

Clearly stated...where?

Oh, and if it's a sin, it's not any different than the sin of your pride for thinking you are better than they are for not being like them! God doesn't hold any sin higher than another, and if you are guilty of one part of the law, you are guilty of all of the law.

My, my, I'm talking about the Law...hasn't it been dead since Jesus died on the cross? Aren't we supposed to be under the covenant of Grace? And since none of us are Old Testament Jews, why on Earth do we think that the ancient, outdated Jewish law is for us to follow???

I don't think of homosexuality in terms of right or wrong, it's not my place to judge whether or not it really is. God said to love. And I'm pretty sure He didn't mean it in *your* context of love. God loved us so much that He gave His Son to die for us. We should love everyone else as deeply.

But we don't.

And oops! Just broke another comandment! We're all as bad as the *homosexuals*!!! (<--this line = total sarcasm for those who can't tell the difference)

/gets off her soapbox...for now

**Scorpio** · 12-12-2011, 07:30 AM

(12-10-2011 01:27 PM)bamabob1 Wrote: .....but will not go along with homosexuality is "OK" for Christians to practice.

Because if they practice it long enough they might get good at it?

elfdream · 12-12-2011, 09:22 AM

I think some of you are over thinking this. If a person approaches you or is introduced to you you should see a PERSON. Not a homosexual or an atheist or (cough) a Catholic (cough). They feel and laugh and cry the same as the rest of of us...and your conversations do not have to be about THAT. Believe it or not they are also interested in the weather or the ball game or that new TV show or latest movie or whatever.

And no they are not secretly attracted to you and are not waiting for an opportunity to hit on you. Believe it or not you're not all that .

That does not mean I approve or agree with everything they believe and do just like I highly doubt many of you would agree with me on a theological level but that still does not stop us from treating one another with civility and respect.

FmrMarine · 12-12-2011, 09:38 AM

Here's the deal. All these anti-gay types aren't against being gay so to speak. They are against gay sex. And they aren't really against all gay sex. Everybody is cool with hot lesbians. What they have a problem with is the man-on-man action. Newsflash: Gay dudes don't want to have sex with heteros. They want to have sex with other gay dudes. In fact, the odds of your having gay sex against your will are incredibly small. Unless, of course, you are in jail.