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LearningFreedom · (This post was last modified: 11-02-2011 08:22 AM by LearningFreedom.)

(11-01-2011 07:19 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote: Why do you assume the Casting Crowns guys were responding to IFBers? Do you think there are no Southern Baptists who have a problem with Halloween?

Sorry, EC, you are right that I "assumed" the protesters were IFB! I know there are many others who are against halloween. It just all seems so two-faced to me! I'm still dealing with throwing off the IFBX mentality and judmentalism and barriers that I grew up with. So.... I get very annoyed and confused when seemingly "normal" people who don't have extreme (IFB-style) standards about everything in life suddenly jump on some little "misdemeanor" like it is the very bus into hell itself!!!!

I'm dealing with that in my current church which is not in any way IFB. Dress standards, music, drinking, church attendance, etc are not issues in any way... yet struggling as a human with real-life problems, and getting angry, frustrated, or emotional about these struggles is SIN!!!! (And cause for church discipline!) ???? I just don't get the double-standard!

I wasn't for or against CC or anything Mark Hall said.... I'm rather neutral in the whole scenario. I just thought it made for interesting documentation to observe and think about. Why do we (anyone) get so HUNG UP on the little "issues" (whatever they may be) that we are hung up on? Can we not offer to others the very grace and compassion we want so badly for ourselves?

/end of rant! Tongue

**pastor's wife** · 11-02-2011, 08:49 AM

(11-02-2011 08:22 AM)LearningFreedom Wrote: I get very annoyed and confused when seemingly "normal" people who don't have extreme (IFB-style) standards about everything in life suddenly jump on some little "misdemeanor" like it is the very bus into hell itself!!!!

Yeah, that drove me crazy about our church as it was before it split. The people who attended were very "worldly" in many ways, compared to how I'd been raised and even how I'd lived at BJU. But they preferred KJV, didn't want contemporary music (although they loved the praise songs we introduced with only piano accompaniment), and other superficial things like this. One Sunday School teacher's daughter got a nose stud when she was in college and a deacon attacked my husband angrily because he allowed her to sing on the platform. It just seemed to hypocritical to me. They sent their kids to public schools, wore pants, went to movies, but were hyper about keeping the church mired in the 1950s. Weird. It still drives me crazy to see on their facebook profile that the only music they listen to is "hymns" or "Majesty Music", but they list all sorts of popular TV shows and movies as their favs. I don't understand how they can pick music as their ONE hobby-horse to hate. (I don't mind them personally avoiding CCM; it's their criticism of other believers who like CCM that bothers me because I believe it's unscriptural to attack other believers over issues like this.)

Quote: Can we not offer to others the very grace and compassion we want so badly for ourselves?

Oh, yes! Yes! Yes! Well said.

**Tiarali** · 11-05-2011, 02:25 AM

I'm sorry, I'll admit ignorance (I might as well, you'll all pick up on it anyway, lol) but what is UMC?

Faith · 11-05-2011, 08:18 AM

(11-05-2011 02:25 AM)tiarali Wrote: I'm sorry, I'll admit ignorance (I might as well, you'll all pick up on it anyway, lol) but what is UMC?

United Methodist Church. Thought by IFB types to be extremely liberal. They are actually just mainstream in most cases - Thus the surprise over condemning Halloween.

**RobMille** · 11-05-2011, 09:39 AM

I'm always surprised by fairly conservative UMC types. I thought that was the FMC's, but turns out all churches even the "liberal ones" aren't very liberal at all in reality.

Elijah Craig · 11-05-2011, 11:23 AM

There actually are some very liberal United Methodists. But most aren't.

**myotch** · 11-05-2011, 05:58 PM

Bob Jones was Methodist. Just sayin'.

Tooktheredpill · 11-05-2011, 07:03 PM

Quote:I thought that was the FMC's, but turns out all churches even the "liberal ones" aren't very liberal at all in reality.

This seems to be true of the mainline in general (even outside of Methodism). Mainline churches are much more conservative than I was led to believe by IFBs (at least at the local level).

Faith · 11-05-2011, 07:11 PM

(11-05-2011 07:03 PM)Tooktheredpill Wrote:
Quote:I thought that was the FMC's, but turns out all churches even the "liberal ones" aren't very liberal at all in reality.

This seems to be true of the mainline in general (even outside of Methodism). Mainline churches are much more conservative than I was led to believe by IFBs (at least at the local level).

Yes, the "liberal" denominations tend to be liberal from the top down rather than from the bottom up.