NIV is "emasculated" and can it be called the word of God?

[Elijah Craig]

Who said it?

Oh, a professor at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary said it:

http://jimhamilton.info/2011/10/26/niv-2...ical-text/

Quote:Will the ancient culture in which the Bible was written be accurately represented by the texts that come down to us from it, or will our culture be allowed to emasculate those texts and reshape them into our own cultural image?

Quote:If the NIV 2011 does not reverse itself on this issue, can we say that it faithfully presents the text of Psalms as it has come down to us? If it does not, can we regard it as the word of God? Article X of the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy states: “We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.”

[Elijah Craig]

IFB Greek profesor Rod Decker tells him he's overstated the case and used inflammatory rhetoric:

Quote:My, my. Did I push somebody’s hot button or what? At least I’m glad to read that “I like Rod Decker.” Today is my long teaching day, so I won’t be able to respond adequately until later–maybe not until this evening. But I will get back to you. I think you’ve argued a bit too strongly on this subject–and added some unnecessary rhetoric (“pillories,” “emasculate,” etc.). But let’s talk about it later today.

Later on down the thread, Decker absolutely schools him. Took him to the woodshed.

[Tooktheredpill]

Not surprised. The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is a bastion fundamentalism, albeit of the reformed baptist variety.

[Elijah Craig]

(10-27-2011 11:02 PM)Tooktheredpill Wrote:  Not surprised. The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is a bastion fundamentalism, albeit of the reformed baptist variety.

But the guy who schooled him is IFB, went to Central in Minneapolis, teaches at BBC Clark Summit, and is a dispensationalist.

That's the irony here.

[Tooktheredpill]

(10-27-2011 11:11 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 11:02 PM)Tooktheredpill Wrote:  Not surprised. The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is a bastion fundamentalism, albeit of the reformed baptist variety.

But the guy who schooled him is IFB, went to Central in Minneapolis, teaches at BBC Clark Summit, and is a dispensationalist.

That's the irony here.

I agree, that is rather ironic. However, I've heard that BBC isn't that fundy anymore (at least in the IFB sense).

[Elijah Craig]

BBC Clark's Summit are northern IFBers like Maranatha or Cedarville.

A lot of the hijinx you see out of IFB come from the guys who split from the Southern Baptists because the SBC wasn't conservative enough for them. That pretty much says all you need to know about them.

The more sane variety of IFB split from the Northern Baptists, now known as the ABC. The ABC isn't completely overrun with liberalism but many of its constitutent churches have genuine orthodoxy and orthopraxy shortcomings. It's understandable why people would leave.

[captain_solo]

(10-27-2011 11:33 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote:  BBC Clark's Summit are northern IFBers like Maranatha or Cedarville.

A lot of the hijinx you see out of IFB come from the guys who split from the Southern Baptists because the SBC wasn't conservative enough for them. That pretty much says all you need to know about them.

The more sane variety of IFB split from the Northern Baptists, now known as the ABC. The ABC isn't completely overrun with liberalism but many of its constitutent churches have genuine orthodoxy and orthopraxy shortcomings. It's understandable why people would leave.

yeah, so the GARBC (in northern/midwestern states) and the Northern IFB's are a completely separate group from those who left the SBC - many of the IFB descriptors on this site don't readily apply to them - certainly not across the board. The problem is that there are many southern styled IFBs up here too because of all the sutherin folk moving to these states for manufacturing jobs back in the day so they can be hard to tell apart, being "independent"

There are issues for sure in pockets of it (Illinois, for example, is toxic) but there is a "fundamentalism worth saving" as Kevin Bauder describes it, and he's talking about those northern Independent/GARB churches that would be primarily represented by the constituencies of NIU, Maranatha, Cedarville, Central, Calvary Lansdale, etc...even though the crazies do infiltrate these groups as well.

If there is any hope left (I am uncertain about that) its there.

[redbeardiam]

(11-01-2011 09:12 AM)Chad Williams Wrote:  So Nothern fundies are more civilized than the Southerners. At least in the South the church does not seem like a funeral, but since the Northern churches sit stoically and never show the least bit of emotion they are held up as better and the example for us. When we are worshiping God and are really in His presence, you bet I will get emotional.

Nobody said anything about worship style...

[Elijah Craig]

(11-01-2011 09:12 AM)Chad Williams Wrote:  So Nothern fundies are more civilized than the Southerners. At least in the South the church does not seem like a funeral, but since the Northern churches sit stoically and never show the least bit of emotion they are held up as better and the example for us. When we are worshiping God and are really in His presence, you bet I will get emotional.

I'm sorry, what thread did you find this on? I read back through the thread and didn't find the world "civilized" anywhere except in your post. I also didn't see any kind of church but Baptists referred to. You must be talking about another thread.