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***Darrell*** · 08-12-2011, 05:12 AM

What teen doesn't love a great set of themes services? Just like the Minutemen of yore kicked out the British, these pastors will kick out...pretty much everything else.

I especially enjoyed the Parents Q&A page. As well as the War Report page that has yet to be built. I guess they're still waiting to see any real action.

Free at Last · 06-10-2013, 12:44 PM

These people come to my old church about once a year. I never did understand why they call their services an "outreach" and then preach about sin the entire time. I got pretty tired of it being assumed that since I was a teenager, I must be a horrible, rebellious person who does drugs, watches pornography, and generally has no respect for anyone. And I think my peers mostly felt the same. (Except for the ones who ended up crying at the front after every message.)

Bonhoeffer · (This post was last modified: 06-10-2013 05:53 PM by Bonhoeffer.)

One of these guys attended my Ordination Questioning. It was generally a good meeting. However, this "evangelist's" 2 questions were ridiculous. 1. What is your position on the King James Bible? 2 What is your position On CCM? Seriosuly? I almost laughed, but so many of the men there would have been mad at me.

Edit: I just looked at the names and John Val Gelderen is no longer with them. He is by himself now. He is the one who was at my ordination. And I looked at his itinerary. One of the pastors of a church he is going to has been a good friend since the early days of my faith. I am surprised that this guy would have Van Gelderen. He tortures the scriptures.

**Mommy2Kids** · 06-14-2013, 08:44 PM

I can't even begin to tell you the controversies the Van Geldrens initiated in Wisconsin. They are THE IFB cult in WI. Dodgy

elfdream · 06-15-2013, 07:30 AM

Joy Van Geldren was at BJ the same time I was. She was a sweet person...became a Pastor's wife. Passed away from cancer a few years ago. Never knew her brother.

Away-From-The-Umbrella · Today, 06:04 AM

Well, when this is their website banner message, you know things are not going very well financially:

Re: Minutemen HQ: "We are now in control of the payments for the building. God is providing, but there is still a great need!"

**pastor's wife** · Today, 10:48 AM

We had "The War" come to our fundy lite church when my husband was a youth pastor. In those days, it was still under the auspices of BJU, though it shortly broke off into its own ministry.

They had a lot of fun games. We got lots of teens to attend. The preacher was intense but the college-age guys who headed up each of the teams were enthusiastic and caring.