There's Too Much Sex Talk In Fundyland

[Darrell]

this is a little funny given our recent week's topic

Quote:The following is by Pastor Matt McPhillips, Court Street Baptist Church, Port Huron, Michigan

While attending Pastor’s School at First Baptist Church, Hammond, Indiana, a few years ago I was amazed at the concern some of the speakers had with my bedroom.

The primary speaker on this subject was Evangelist Tom Williams. One morning Mr. Williams gave what could be best described as controversial if not “X rated” message. During this message he talked about the bedroom being set up right for romance, how Song of Solomon was teaching oral sex, and how we needed to get over our embarrassment over such issues and that they needed to be taught. He went into great detail about how to please your wife and how she could please you. It was so bad at one point I saw a pastor cover the ears of his son. There were even jokes about what Mr. Williams instructed the ladies to do in the ladies session the day before; thankfully I did not have my wife attend. To finish off the message, Pastor Jack Schaap came out and joked about having cold showers for those that did not bring their wives. He also said that those who didn’t like what Williams had said should get out. He didn’t want any critics there.

I then heard about a book written by a pastor named Clint Caviness. It is entitled “When Risqué is Okay,” and it goes into explicit detail about the bedroom, what to wear, where to buy sex toys and the kind to get, how a young lady can prepare herself for the honeymoon, and even describes in intimate detail things the pastor and his wife do in bed. Mr. Caviness has been a speaker at Lancaster Baptist Church, and one of the staff members of that church helped with the design and layout of the book. In the front of the book he thanks Cary Schmidt of Lancaster for his help and Pastor Mike Ray for his support.

The final example is of a ladies conference my wife attended where during a session for pastors wives, Mrs. Loretta Walker went into how to please your husband and described what can be done for him when the female body is unable to do so during her time of the month. My precious wife who is pure and chaste had to ask me what she meant and I was shocked by this teaching.

The even bigger surprise is when I found that this has been the big rage of the emergent church in recent years and I began to wonder where did our “IFB” preachers come up with this?

The Bible is very general on the subject and even warns about mentioning the things done in secret. How can a man not be embarrassed to address a public crowd on such matters?

This has even crept into the teaching on the Lord’s Supper. Jack Schaap’s book Marriage: The Divine Intimacy likens the Lord’s Supper and salvation itself to the sexual relationship between man and woman. Consider the following excerpt, for example (some statements i the book are too graphic and vile to quote):

“When a person takes the bread during the Lord’s Supper he is not actually eating Christ’s body. That person is saying, This element represents something. The person who deeply loves Christ understands that when he receives Christ as Saviour it is a spiritual intercourse. A person receives the body of Christ. A Christian is the female gender in this spiritual realm and God is the male gender of the spiritual realm. When a person receives Christ as Saviour he is receiving Christ as as lover” (page 51).

We have allowed grievous wolves to enter in amongst us. There seems to be this obsession of preachers to get into the bedroom and make sure we are adopting the world’s smutty way of “loving” each other.

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Distributed by Way of Life Literature's Fundamental Baptist Information Service

[Darrell]

Quote:There seems to be this obsession of preachers to get into the bedroom and make sure we are adopting the world’s smutty way of “loving” each other.

I'd just like to say that I feel really sorry for Mrs. McPhillips.

[richao]

(07-21-2011 08:29 AM)Darrell Wrote:  

Quote:There seems to be this obsession of preachers to get into the bedroom and make sure we are adopting the world’s smutty way of “loving” each other.

I'd just like to say that I feel really sorry for Mrs. McPhillips.

So that's who Hugh Laurie was playing in the video I posted elsewhere the other day.

[LearningFreedom]

:DHahahahaha.... that was a hilarious video, Richao!

But I must say, it's very sad that so many "pure and proper" fundy Christians have the same ideas and attitude toward sex as Mr. McPhillips.

Such a shame! So many of us could have been spared so much guilt, confusion, frustration, etc.... if only we had received PROPER sex education.

[laurat99]

Love Fry and Laurie!! Thanks for the clip!

[elfdream]

I sort of agree with him. (ducks) It shouldn't be a taboo subject. People should feel comfortable going to someone if they need help, like abuse victims or people who are trying to break free from the brain washing but at the same time I just don't see the need to go trotting it out in detail. There should be some kind of happy medium.

And chaste doesn't mean celibate or even temperate. It is how you handle your sexuality according to your station in life and in accordance with your beliefs (religious or cultural).

Within the Christian religion sex is reserved for married people. If you stay faithful to your spouse you are 'chaste' within your marriage...not celibate!

[Annie Moose]

Quote:My precious wife who is pure and chaste

I'm incapable of stringing together words into a coherent sentence by this beautiful example of a fundy paradox/twisted logic, so I'll just leave the quote here with no comment, other than WHAT.

[Darrell]

Quote: I just don't see the need to go trotting it out in detail.

even in book format?

[ex-fundy youth pastor]

Guess no one's heard of Hebrews 13:4:

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

(07-21-2011 08:29 AM)Darrell Wrote:  

Quote:There seems to be this obsession of preachers to get into the bedroom and make sure we are adopting the world’s smutty way of “loving” each other.

I'd just like to say that I feel really sorry for Mrs. McPhillips.

[elfdream]

(07-21-2011 10:57 AM)Darrell Wrote:  

Quote: I just don't see the need to go trotting it out in detail.

even in book format?

I've only read one book about it and to be honest I can't remember much about what it said. It was that thing by the LeHays that was published forever ago.

It just seems to me that fundies have this all or nothing mentality. You either ignore it or overdose on it. Both extremes have their own sort of problems that go along with them.