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Don · 05-24-2011, 08:03 PM

Paul Washer comes the closeset to being a full-fledged. legalist. fundy Baptist.
From the rural IFB perspective none of those you mentioned would be considered Independent Fundamental Baptist.
The IFB I know would not embrace any of the above, though like I said Washer would come the closest ...they like his abrasive approach.

exIFB · 05-24-2011, 08:09 PM

Yeah, none of those are IFB, but they are all fundy. As Don said, Washer is the closest to being an IFB, but his hatred of the "sinners prayer" makes him fall outside of most IFB's favor.

Innocent Lamb · 05-24-2011, 08:33 PM

I think most people (aka non-IFB) would definitely identify Liberty University as fundamentalist, based on the definition of "really, really conservative Christian." Fundies themselves I think probably wouldn't claim it based on various standards they like to impose on everyone else, which would cause them to separate from it.

If you think about, if you're really, really, really IFB, which means you're really, really, really separated... can you consider ANY other institution/person/school/group to be as truly IFB as you are?? Probably not very many! I mean, when you have THAT many standards, everyone is liable to do something that ticks you off!

Because of that, I think non-fudies would probably identify a lot of things as fundamentalist that fundies themselves would not.

Don · 05-24-2011, 08:37 PM

(05-24-2011 08:33 PM)Innocent Lamb Wrote: I think most people (aka non-IFB) would definitely identify Liberty University as fundamentalist, based on the definition of "really, really conservative Christian." Fundies themselves I think probably wouldn't claim it based on various standards they like to impose on everyone else, which would cause them to separate from it.

If you think about, if you're really, really, really IFB, which means you're really, really, really separated... can you consider ANY other institution/person/school/group to be as truly IFB as you are?? Probably not very many! I mean, when you have THAT many standards, everyone is liable to do something that ticks you off!

Because of that, I think non-fudies would probably identify a lot of things as fundamentalist that fundies themselves would not.

If you are dyed in the wool, hardcore, Fundie Born and Fundie Bred then you won't send your kids to some University where you can't control what they learn... noooo, you'll just start up your own Bible College! *problem solved* That's the Fundie way!

***Darrell*** · 05-24-2011, 09:00 PM

(05-24-2011 07:24 PM)pastors wife Wrote: Word of Life was started by Jack Wyrtzen. Their main property is in Schroon Lake, NY. They have a one-year Bible institute.

Here's their website: http://www.wol.org/

My brothers-in-law have all worked there and gone there to camp over summers.

They're more mainline evangelical than fundy.

IFB No More · 05-24-2011, 09:44 PM

I'll just state some of them.

John MacArthur/Master College - Not exactly fundy, but close. The "liberal" wing of fundyism (think BJU and Central Baptist) love him.
John Piper - Not fundy, more like a mixture of reformed and pietist. A watered down version of Paul Washer (see below).
Liberty University - Used to be fundy, now only fundy-leaning.
Mark Driscoll - Inconsistent. Preaching and (authoritarian) church leadership style resembles fundy, but doctrine and lifestyle are certainly not.
Kirk Cameron - Somewhat fundy; lots of fundy churches like his evangelism methods.
Paul Washer - Fundy in Southern Baptist clothing. Lots of fundy standards (strict views concerning dating/courtship and basically Religious Right-sque view of culture). But unlike most fundys, willing to cooperate with non-fundys for mission work (what he's fervent about).

greg · 05-24-2011, 10:31 PM

Liberty University is a very fine school, with a great reputation, started by Jerry Falwell, a modern day Christian hero. Liberty can't be classified as hard-core fundy because it's not KJVonly.

AIG - Perhaps the finest creation science ministry in the world, with some of the best minds in the scientific world, again can't be classified as hard-core fundy because they are not KJVonly

ThankYouJesus · 05-24-2011, 11:09 PM

lol Disney World was a joke. I'm somewhat surprised at the responses. I'm starting to wonder if the church I was at for so long could even be considered IFB by these standards.

Shoes · 05-25-2011, 06:58 AM

ThankYouJesus Wrote:I'm starting to wonder if the church I was at for so long could even be considered IFB by these standards.

So for the record:
You are stating that you are a fundy spy?
You have been sent to infiltrate and sow discord?

ThankYouJesus · 05-25-2011, 10:02 AM

(05-25-2011 06:58 AM)Shoes Wrote:
ThankYouJesus Wrote:I'm starting to wonder if the church I was at for so long could even be considered IFB by these standards.

So for the record:
You are stating that you are a fundy spy?
You have been sent to infiltrate and sow discord?

huh?