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Clint · 01-13-2011, 01:54 PM

(01-13-2011 01:40 PM)Perry Wrote: it was nowhere near as strict as this place sounds!

I don't think the WILDS is known for being especially strict. But is IS a bastion of fundy teaching, with Hummel and the Herbster bros.

Tony Mel · 01-13-2011, 02:14 PM

(01-13-2011 01:54 PM)Clint Wrote: I don't think the WILDS is known for being especially strict. But is IS a bastion of fundy teaching, with Hummel and the Herbster bros.

And Farrell, who once mentioned an instance when he preached against the sin of Socialism. Confused

mounty · 01-13-2011, 02:55 PM

Funny thing is, I spent a weekend in the fall working in the kitchen up there, just to make a few extra bucks and get away from campus (it's bad when going to the Wilds is "getting away"). Six of us, three guys and three girls, all students, skipped the Saturday night service and went down the road a ways to where they usually have Junior Camp. Place was deserted. The building we finally ended up in was a two or three story building with a ton of classrooms or offices around a meeting hall. We could have done *anything* and I guarantee no one would have heard, seen, or known about it.

So...strict? Maybe for the campers and maybe for everyone during the summer. (I've heard it's best never to try to date anyone while they're at the Wilds for the summer.) But once the kiddies are gone, that place is pretty loose.

Clint · 01-13-2011, 03:03 PM

(01-13-2011 02:14 PM)Tony Mel Wrote:
(01-13-2011 01:54 PM)Clint Wrote: I don't think the WILDS is known for being especially strict. But is IS a bastion of fundy teaching, with Hummel and the Herbster bros.

And Farrell, who once mentioned an instance when he preached against the sin of Socialism.

Oh no...GROAN

AmazedByGrace · 01-14-2011, 10:27 AM

Mounty your post reminded me that one of the most disrespectful, flippant, selfish, condescending people I ever met turned out to be a child of a staff member who grew up on the "campus" of the Wilds. Many stories circulated about how she had her run of those 400+ acres doing whatever she felt like with whomever. Unfortunately she turned out to be one of the worst teachers we ever experienced at Bob Jones Academy. Not surprisingly she was teaching a subject that was way out of her educated area of expertise and was totally blowing it. Word had it that she was a personal friend of Stephen Jones---but I don't know. That may have been true because the administration expended some amount of effort justifying her idiocy. Crazy, crazy stuff going on over there. Fortunately my experience with the Wilds was very limited, but I do have a few "doozie" stories I will eventually share.

Tony Mel · 01-14-2011, 10:36 AM

(01-14-2011 10:27 AM)AmazedByGrace Wrote: Mounty your post reminded me that one of the most disrespectful, flippant, selfish, condescending people I ever met turned out to be a child of a staff member who grew up on the "campus" of the Wilds.

I feel for those "camp kids" who have been raised in 1000 WRR and have not seen much of the outside world for themselves. I feel bad for them because they are really nice people; I have befriended many. This is so wrong.

AmazedByGrace · 01-14-2011, 11:34 AM

(01-14-2011 10:36 AM)Tony Mel Wrote: I feel for those "camp kids" who have been raised in 1000 WRR and have not seen much of the outside world for themselves. I feel bad for them because they are really nice people; I have befriended many. This is so wrong.

This one may not have ended up a nice person. Seriously when I first spoke to her I assumed she was getting an education degree to go back and teach in the NYC ghetto--she was that rough. Interesting that I later figured out that I had attended one of her mother's seminars at the Wilds. She definitely didn't turn out at all like her mother or how her mother thinks she is. She was very emotional and cried about nearly everything--ironically that was the exact topic of her mother's seminar--not being emotional, or if you are, don't let people realize it. She truly was a wild child, and in a way I guess I do feel sorry for her. But what she did to me and my family stands on its own regardless of the deficits in her upbringing.

I'm glad you're a friend to them. They need it like I needed a friend when I was slogging through living in a glass house myself. Not so fun.

HazelEyed · 01-15-2011, 09:10 PM

(01-11-2011 11:47 AM)pastors wife Wrote:
(01-11-2011 11:37 AM)mounty Wrote: That's...awful. And oddly self-defeating, since calling yourself sinless at any given point is in violation of Scripture, which means that throwing a stick in the fire is sinning. Sick, twisted, spiritual abuse.

Yeah, that's AWFUL! An introverted perfectionist like myself would have been so horrified: as a "good girl" I would have felt obligated to put my stick in but as someone who tried to be nit-pickingly scrupulous, I would have felt unable to declare myself SINLESS. Arggghh. What a horrible feeling. I'm so glad I'm free now, and don't plan on ever being subjected to that again!! Or my kids either!

It was HORRIBLE. Every year I'd be hunched over in my seat, rocking back and forth, desperately praying that God would forgive and absolve me of all the sins I couldn't think of at the moment and how I'd never do anything bad again if I could help it as our row got ready to get up and throw in a stick and as the preacher murmured into the microphone about "Don't lie to God, He knows if you have sin, don't go throw in a stick if you haven't confessed everything." Everyone was always singing too, and my emotions were really worked up, usually I was crying. I wanted to be good enough. I wanted to be a perfect Christian like everyone else around me seemed to be. I knew there was no way I was "completely surrendered" and I knew I was lying by throwing that stick in, but I didn't know what else to do but go forward. Everyone was watching. It was the most horrible moment of the whole week every year.

Tony Mel · 01-16-2011, 02:10 PM

(01-15-2011 09:10 PM)HazelEyed Wrote: It was HORRIBLE. Every year I'd be hunched over in my seat, rocking back and forth, desperately praying that God would forgive and absolve me of all the sins I couldn't think of at the moment and how I'd never do anything bad again if I could help it as our row got ready to get up and throw in a stick and as the preacher murmured into the microphone about "Don't lie to God, He knows if you have sin, don't go throw in a stick if you haven't confessed everything." Everyone was always singing too, and my emotions were really worked up, usually I was crying. I wanted to be good enough. I wanted to be a perfect Christian like everyone else around me seemed to be. I knew there was no way I was "completely surrendered" and I knew I was lying by throwing that stick in, but I didn't know what else to do but go forward. Everyone was watching. It was the most horrible moment of the whole week every year.

This is definitely not of the Lord.

HazelEyed · 01-16-2011, 03:16 PM

(01-16-2011 02:10 PM)Tony Mel Wrote:
(01-15-2011 09:10 PM)HazelEyed Wrote: It was HORRIBLE. Every year I'd be hunched over in my seat, rocking back and forth, desperately praying that God would forgive and absolve me of all the sins I couldn't think of at the moment and how I'd never do anything bad again if I could help it as our row got ready to get up and throw in a stick and as the preacher murmured into the microphone about "Don't lie to God, He knows if you have sin, don't go throw in a stick if you haven't confessed everything." Everyone was always singing too, and my emotions were really worked up, usually I was crying. I wanted to be good enough. I wanted to be a perfect Christian like everyone else around me seemed to be. I knew there was no way I was "completely surrendered" and I knew I was lying by throwing that stick in, but I didn't know what else to do but go forward. Everyone was watching. It was the most horrible moment of the whole week every year.

This is definitely not of the Lord.

Nope. And it screwed up my views of God and myself and Christianity for years ...