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ThankYouJesus · 05-15-2011, 07:26 PM

(05-15-2011 05:14 PM)leaving Wrote:
(05-15-2011 04:24 PM)ThankYouJesus Wrote: If at 25, they told me I was to marry a certain guy, then I would have to refuse on the Biblical grounds that homosexual marriage is against God's Word.
If they told me to leave BJU, then I might leave.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord. . .

But to be honest, you've set forth many things that will never happen. For one, my parents never told me to go to Bob Jones. They would never tell me that I had to marry someone. And they won't tell me to leave Bob Jones. You are correct; honoring isn't just obeying. It is so much more than that. I believe that it includes obeying though. You are right that theoretically there may be times when I don't have to "obey" what my parents tell me to do, but I can still honor them. However, I will always obey my parents so long as they love God, love me, provide for me, etc.

So, you believe you have to obey your parents once married too? After all, it never says to only honor them while you are single. If you want to burden yourself with things the Bible never wanted you to burden yourself with, go ahead...but that's half my point about all the nonsensical rules at these colleges.

Leaving, my parents honor my grandparents. Parents are always parents. When I get married, my parents will still be my parents. I will always honor, obey, and respect them. This is from the Bible. I don't see it as a burden. I don't view following God's Word as a burden. Perhaps you do? You can't justify disobedience to your parents from the Bible.

ThankYouJesus · 05-15-2011, 07:28 PM

(05-15-2011 04:43 PM)EmilyKing Wrote:
(05-14-2011 11:01 PM)ThankYouJesus Wrote: Leaving, no matter where I go, there will be rules. Heck, I'm in a military family. The Air Force has far more rules than BJU could ever dream of having. I don't think my dad feels like he's being treated like a child though, and neither do I.

As an Air Force member, I can say I tolerate these rules much better than the ones and FundyU. This is freedom compared to what I had there.

Glad to hear it.

ThankYouJesus · 05-15-2011, 07:29 PM

(05-15-2011 05:19 PM)Mommy2Kids Wrote:
(05-15-2011 02:38 PM)ThankYouJesus Wrote: I'm not sure who wrote that on the site or how recent it is.

I copied the information from the site today.

But thank you for your viewpoint. It's actually been a bit of a frustrating search since our church is trying to loosen up on some areas - music being one of them.

https://protect.bju.edu/extensionoffice/...cedure.jsp

Yeah, it looks like that page was written in 2005. Hope you guys find a pastor with a good heart.

leaving · 05-15-2011, 07:49 PM

(05-15-2011 07:26 PM)ThankYouJesus Wrote:
(05-15-2011 05:14 PM)leaving Wrote: So, you believe you have to obey your parents once married too? After all, it never says to only honor them while you are single. If you want to burden yourself with things the Bible never wanted you to burden yourself with, go ahead...but that's half my point about all the nonsensical rules at these colleges.

Leaving, my parents honor my grandparents. Parents are always parents. When I get married, my parents will still be my parents. I will always honor, obey, and respect them. This is from the Bible. I don't see it as a burden. I don't view following God's Word as a burden. Perhaps you do? You can't justify disobedience to your parents from the Bible.

Umm, ok. So you are going to obey your parents if what they want differs from what your wife might want? That appears NOWHERE in the Bible, honor and obey are two different words for a reason. What if your parents want to tell you what time to be in bed after you are married? According to you you have to obey that. They could totally control your life.

ThankYouJesus · 05-15-2011, 07:51 PM

(05-15-2011 07:49 PM)leaving Wrote:
(05-15-2011 07:26 PM)ThankYouJesus Wrote: Leaving, my parents honor my grandparents. Parents are always parents. When I get married, my parents will still be my parents. I will always honor, obey, and respect them. This is from the Bible. I don't see it as a burden. I don't view following God's Word as a burden. Perhaps you do? You can't justify disobedience to your parents from the Bible.

Umm, ok. So you are going to obey your parents if what they want differs from what your wife might want? That appears NOWHERE in the Bible, honor and obey are two different words for a reason. What if your parents want to tell you what time to be in bed after you are married? According to you you have to obey that. They could totally control your life.

Leaving, I'm done with this one.

leaving · 05-15-2011, 08:49 PM

(05-15-2011 07:51 PM)ThankYouJesus Wrote:
(05-15-2011 07:49 PM)leaving Wrote: Umm, ok. So you are going to obey your parents if what they want differs from what your wife might want? That appears NOWHERE in the Bible, honor and obey are two different words for a reason. What if your parents want to tell you what time to be in bed after you are married? According to you you have to obey that. They could totally control your life.

Leaving, I'm done with this one.

LOL somehow I thought you might be when you found you could not back that up at all.

Ricardo · 05-15-2011, 10:22 PM

My cousin almost got raped by the son of a minister, at a Fundy U.

During my time at Fundy U my roommate and I were hosts to anyone coming back to campus drunk or high. His parents were missionaries in China, I was from Costa Rica. This before cell phones and e-mail made everybody immediately accessible. We were the only safe place to hang out and sober up.

I would think Christian parents would want their children to be placed in a university where they could minister to a larger amount of people, being salt of the Earth.

Shoes · 05-16-2011, 07:14 AM

pastors wife Wrote:1. They'd have to have regional accreditation; I don't want them wasting thousands of dollars and four years on a degree they may not be able to use.

ThankYouJesus Wrote:1. I would have to agree with the accreditation issue, although I don't think most people realize the dilemma BJU would have to go through to get the regional accreditation. Fortunately for myself, the accreditation issue won't really affect me because of the nature of my major, and my grad school choice. In fact, I would say that the accreditation issue doesn't affect most people at BJU (as long as they don't transfer).

I don't really agree with your point about getting a degree that you can't use. Believe me, I researched everything I could about BJU's accreditation and the issues there (and yes there are issues). However a degree you can't use?? I've never heard of that. I believe the common denominators among those graduates who can't get a job with their BJU degrees are laziness and a low GPA. I mean seriously, even if you can't get anything with your degree, there are plenty of accredited cheap online schools that you can get a masters from. All they want is your money anyways.

FALSE

I personally know people that graduated from BJ and had to attend another school for four more years, so they could get a “real” degree. They went to BJ, got a degree in a field they thought they would be able to use the degree, and upon graduation realized that the field that they went into required regional accreditation. And as you mentioned above “I believe the common denominators among those graduates who can't get a job with their BJU degrees are laziness and a low GPA.” Nice quote, Captain Stupid. This is an arrogant and sickening statement. None of these are factors in the cases I am talking about. The fact is, some states require degrees from universities or colleges with REGIONAL ACCREDITATION to apply for certain jobs, specifically school teachers.

I know other that went into other professions seamlessly with BJ degrees.

The real question is, why would I go to a college or university that I have to guess if my degree will be recognized when I graduate? Why play that game? Just go to a real school and get a real degree that you don’t have to guess about.

And your advise to go to a diploma mill to get your masters? That’s your great advice?! Go to BJ, spend the money on a “degree,” and if it’s not recognized, go to a diploma mill to get your masters. You think that an institution that doesn’t recognize “national accreditation” is going to recognize a diploma mills degree? WOW!

ThankYouJesus · 05-16-2011, 11:36 AM

(05-16-2011 07:14 AM)Shoes Wrote:
pastors wife Wrote:1. They'd have to have regional accreditation; I don't want them wasting thousands of dollars and four years on a degree they may not be able to use.

ThankYouJesus Wrote:1. I would have to agree with the accreditation issue, although I don't think most people realize the dilemma BJU would have to go through to get the regional accreditation. Fortunately for myself, the accreditation issue won't really affect me because of the nature of my major, and my grad school choice. In fact, I would say that the accreditation issue doesn't affect most people at BJU (as long as they don't transfer).

I don't really agree with your point about getting a degree that you can't use. Believe me, I researched everything I could about BJU's accreditation and the issues there (and yes there are issues). However a degree you can't use?? I've never heard of that. I believe the common denominators among those graduates who can't get a job with their BJU degrees are laziness and a low GPA. I mean seriously, even if you can't get anything with your degree, there are plenty of accredited cheap online schools that you can get a masters from. All they want is your money anyways.

FALSE

I personally know people that graduated from BJ and had to attend another school for four more years, so they could get a “real” degree. They went to BJ, got a degree in a field they thought they would be able to use the degree, and upon graduation realized that the field that they went into required regional accreditation. And as you mentioned above “I believe the common denominators among those graduates who can't get a job with their BJU degrees are laziness and a low GPA.” Nice quote, Captain Stupid. This is an arrogant and sickening statement. None of these are factors in the cases I am talking about. The fact is, some states require degrees from universities or colleges with REGIONAL ACCREDITATION to apply for certain jobs, specifically school teachers.

I know other that went into other professions seamlessly with BJ degrees.

The real question is, why would I go to a college or university that I have to guess if my degree will be recognized when I graduate? Why play that game? Just go to a real school and get a real degree that you don’t have to guess about.

And your advise to go to a diploma mill to get your masters? That’s your great advice?! Go to BJ, spend the money on a “degree,” and if it’s not recognized, go to a diploma mill to get your masters. You think that an institution that doesn’t recognize “national accreditation” is going to recognize a diploma mills degree? WOW!

Glad to hear you so passionately disagree with me. I am well aware of the issues that people wishing to teach in public schools go through (unless they want to teach in Florida of course). However, I still hold to my statement that the accreditation issue won't affect most of the people at BJU.

Also, I actually wasn't talking about diploma mill's. There are plenty of reputable online schools that are not that hard to get into.

And why would anyone have to guess? Just do your research ahead of time, and figure it out for yourself. That is what I had to do. Had I found that my major at BJU would greatly mess up my chances for jobs/grad school, then I wouldn't have gone there.

And to be frank, Bob Jones is a real school.

I don't think it was necessary for you to call me "arrogant" and "Captain Stupid."

leaving · 05-16-2011, 11:43 AM

Well, whether it was right for Shoes to call you "arrogant" and "Captain Stupid" (although arrogant is a characteristic, not "name-calling") why would you have a problem with that when you called people who can't get a job with an unaccredited degree stupid and lazy? What's the difference?

I know of many people that did "do their research" both with BJU and PCC. Both schools lied about the accreditation issue and they continue to do so. Because most fundies don't suspect Fundie U of lying, they believe them.