Young Earth Creationism As the Ultimate Standard

[Shoes]

AiG and Ken Hamm. I looked at that questionnaire, and I was pretty surprised. I grew up in an IFBC and went to IFB Christian School, and I was confused by some of those questions. I mean I have had all the indoctrination, and I didn’t know the answer to all those questions. Also, the questions seemed to have an agenda or be promoting something. (see more about this later)

’AiG-Christian College Questionnaire’ Wrote:1. That the JEPD hypothesis on the authorship of the Pentateuch is definitely correct?
2. Do you hold and insist that no other humans or human-like creatures (e.g. soulless men) were living at the time Adam and Eve were created?
3. Would you regard it as mandatory for your staff and co-workers to be convinced that the original creation was “very good” with no death or struggle before Adam sinned? (That is, no overt bloodshed and violence among humans or animals such as lions hunting antelopes, for example—leaving out the question of bacteria and insects for the moment.)

There is an agenda here (leaving you with more questions than answers.)

K Hamm wrote an article where he “gently corrects” T Keller. His articles conclusion ends with a link to purchase one of his old books as well as an advertisement for his newest book. At the bottom of the webpage “AiG- Christian College Questionnaire” (if you get past the subscription to AiG’s magazine and the “Support AiG” link) you find some recommended resources for sale. I suspect these are to “help you understand” the confusing issues listed in the questionnaire.

Just trying to make that money.

[richao]

I do find it an immense spiritual comfort - Good News indeed! - that the fate of my immortal soul depends not only on the sincerity with which I said the sinners prayer or the full acceptance of Scripture as inerrant and infallible but also on my adherence to idiosyncratic interpretations on obscure cosmological matters that may (or may not!) have been discussed or implied in the first eleven chapters of Genesis. Though if I weren't so obviously correct on all these topics, I might think God was trying to trip me up or something.

[Jenn]

What if a person believes all the right doctrine, starting from Genesis Chapter one, but has not love?

If certain people had not come into my life, Christians who have varied views on Genesis, then I might be Already Gone.
People with the compassion that Jesus taught us to have. People who listen with genuine care and concern. People who heard my pain and cried with me.

These people who brought the love of Christ into my life are people I would at one time have considered "not real Christians."

I am well-versed in the arguments for why a belief in a young earth and literal Genesis account do have everything to do with being a Christian, that is, having correct theology. But the burden of being right... this is the heavy burden that crushed my soul for so many years. Loving people. This is the light burden that set me free.

[Darrell]

Quote: I get the impression from that questionairre they want a litmus test on teachers to make sure they not only teach what they want taught, but that they don't ever even think about questioning.

You need to watch the film Expelled put out by Ben Stein.

Yes, it's a little heavy-handed on the attempts to tie evolution to atheism to horrific behavior. But his points about the "establishment" not allowing questioning of evolution are pretty well documented.

[TomK]

Expelled was a good film. <3 Ben Stein. Bueller, Bueller...

[Elijah Craig]

At the public college I attended both my history professor and my chemistry professor qualified their lecture when they began teaching on subjects that countered Christian teaching. Granted, I went to college is a state that is very friendly to Christianity. But I never encountered hostility toward Christianity from any of the professors.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But you're there to get an education and a degree. Listen to what they say and form your own opinions. Don't get mad about it. Class will be over in 50 or 75 minutes.

[RobMille]

(05-10-2011 01:28 PM)Darrell Wrote:  

Quote: I get the impression from that questionairre they want a litmus test on teachers to make sure they not only teach what they want taught, but that they don't ever even think about questioning.

You need to watch the film Expelled put out by Ben Stein.

Yes, it's a little heavy-handed on the attempts to tie evolution to atheism to horrific behavior. But his points about the "establishment" not allowing questioning of evolution are pretty well documented.

Seen it many years ago. Love Ben Stein as an actor & his game show on comedy central was hilarious. Is a truly a wordsmith, and I believe was a Nixon speechwriter (or Reagan?). Not really all the impressed with Expelled from what I recall, it's been a while.

[diachenko]

(05-10-2011 11:43 AM)greg Wrote:  

(05-10-2011 12:06 AM)Darrell Wrote:  As far as I can tell, most secular colleges don't hold a "wide variety of opinions" on the question of evolution.

Well said, and I'm glad it was you who did, let's see I would have been called a troll, bibliolator, narrow-minded, fundy, and that's just for starters.

Dear me, you really have developed quite the persecution complex, haven't you.

[Jenn]

are you still a young-earth creationist diachenko?

[diachenko]

(05-11-2011 11:51 AM)Jenn Wrote:  are you still a young-earth creationist diachenko?

I haven't completely made up my mind. I've held out for YE for a long time, but all the evidence I've seen has been pushing me toward, at the least, an old earth creationist belief, possibly even theistic evolution. I think the reason I haven't firmed this up in my own mind, is that I really don't particularly care about our origins, I'm more interested in now, but I find the astronomy part interesting, so I get sucked into the debate sometimes. And I do enjoy hearing the arguments of both sides.